!A new place for !dataisbeautiful that is not lemmy.ml nor lemmy.world?

Edit: Update: community is created, !dataisbeautiful@mander.xyz !

Edit: Update: posted to !mander@mander.xyz for their feedback: https://reddthat.com/post/20241853

Hello everyone,

The most current active community is !dataisbeautiful@lemmy.ml.

Due to all the discussions that are now happening on !fediverse@lemmy.world about moving away from lemmy.ml due to their abuse moderation practices (https://feddit.nl/post/16246531), should we consider creating an alternative.

!dataisbeautiful@lemmy.world exists but seems unmanaged and I would rather avoid another LW community.

Maybe we could contact mander.xyz at !mander@mander.xyz to see what they think?

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sh.itjust.works seems very solid
- It is indeed very solid, but my reasoning was more to highlight mander.xyz, which is science-focused.
  They do a great work, and maybe having a "popular" community might help them (although that might already be happening with their science memes community)
  
  Yea I requested the current community to keep an eye on it since the mod was not active. I haven't had a chance to properly promote it yet.
  https://lemmy.ml/post/7354878
  Mander.xyz is a solid instance and I think this community would do well there. It would fit in nicely with the other communities on there, and it might get more posts as a result
  Ultimately I'm happy with wherever people would like to go with that community :)
- I mean, lemm.ee is a very solid instance that also isnt overprone to defederating from everyone, if we're going by that.
- Been here almost a year with no concerns.

I'd suggest creating a new community somewhere that isn't lemmy.ml because of their moderation and lemmy.world because it's just too big and we shoukd spread out the communities a bit. But depending on how established is the community on LW then it would be better to stick to it.
- But depending on how established is the community on LW then it would be better to stick to it.
  It's not really active, so no need to stick with it. We can probably just post an announcement to it once the new community is created.
  
  Because I'm barely awake at this point it seems I just repeated your post. Lol
  
  Then go with the new community route. o7

+1 for mander.xyz. I'd also like to take this opportunity to see if @sal@mander.xyz would be interesting in joining me on https://fediverser.network, as it is one of the most interesting topic-based instances. It would be a great home to all the science-related subreddits and moderators that would be interested in migrating.
- Yes, sorry, I remember looking at it in the past but got distracted. Is there somewhere where I can find information about what to do to join you and contribute? Should I create a reddit account?
  
  The GitHub page would be the initial place to get started. It works as a separate service that needs to run alongside your Lemmy docker stack. You will need a reddit API key to allow users to login/register via Reddit.
  I just advise to wait a bit because the current release is still working based on Lemmy 0.18.3 database schema. I will update it later this week.

I suggest lemmy.zip
A moderately sized instance with great stability and performance, a very diligent and transparent admin, and fantastic federation with virtually everyone.
- Yep, we are in regular touch with the Admins - they're solid.

Pinging @ElCanut@jlai.lu too as he's a regular poster on !dataisbeautiful@lemmy.ml.
For the post I was referencing about abuse moderation practices: https://jlai.lu/post/7449867

Pinging @otter@lemmy.ca as you are the current mod to see what you think

Update: posted to !mander@mander.xyz for their feedback: https://reddthat.com/post/20241853

We need lemmy.beauty and then we can have !data@lemmy.beauty

Update: mander.xyz has now solved their federation issues! https://grafana.lem.rocks/d/cdfzs0dwal3pca/federation-health-time-behind?orgId=1&var-instance=All&var-remote_instance=mander.xyz&var-remote_software=All&from=now-12h&to=now
@Beaver@lemmy.ca and @ElCanut@jlai.lu, you seem to be the most regular posters of this type of content, what to you think about this idea of a new initiative on mander.xyz?
- Pinging @Five@slrpnk.net as well, and @sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al
  
  I've been a huge fan of the science memes, I'll explore and chat more. I'm already curious about what natural sciences means.
- My opinion about this is that the fediverse seems a bit quiet recently, and maybe it would be better to stay on an instance and accept their default rather than creating a new one. But hey, fediverse also means decentralization, so it might be worth a shot, I'll try to post in both communities and see what happens.
  Is there someplace where I could find more information about mander admins ? I don't want to have the same debate in 3 months because there is a problem with their moderation policy
  
  Hello,
  Thank you for your comment!
  @otter@lemmy.ca is a mod on !dataisbeautiful@lemmy.ml, so we might even close it so that people will be encouraged to move to the new community.
  About mander.xyz, they have been quite active lately to upgrade their instance (https://jlai.lu/post/7842647?scrollToComments=true).
  I had a look at the modlog of their "flagship" community, !science@mander.xyz, everything seems reasonable: https://mander.xyz/modlog/11072
  
  PS: The new community has 1.75k weekly active users after 3 days, so hopefully is will catch-up with the lemmy.ml 2.54k monthly active users soon.
- Looks like an interesting instance. We could use the extra redundancy in the fediverse. I could always use more science in my life :)
  
  Nice! Would you be interested in becoming a mod of the new community !dataisbeautiful@mander.xyz too (to be created)? :)

Can we have c/hmmm other than in LW?
- That's what the general consensus is indeed

!dataisbeautiful@lemmy.world exists but seems unmanaged and I would rather avoid another LW community.
Two.of the Mods are around and it might not be worth reinventing the wheel when folks can post there already.
- I guess the question is: is it worth it to create another community to get that one off Lemmy.world, or are we happy with it being there?
  
  As far as I'm aware the big issue with l.w is centralisation. So it makes sense to suggest people start new communities on other instances but if there is one already there, we might as well make use of it.

I did the same migration a few months ago, from @lemmy ml to !linguistics@mander.xyz. Frankly, I don't regret it; even being a smaller instance I've seen far more activity there, and I feel like the environment is safer to talk about certain topics. (The lemmy ml comm was a bit of a ticking bomb, really.)
Keep in mind that the focus of the dataisbeautiful comm might change a tiny bit, even if the rules stay the same. Older users already created an association between mander.xyz and science; I think that they'll be a bit less prone to post fluff, and more scientific data. That's actually good IMO.

Sorry I missed this, but, of course! I think that the dataisbeautiful community would be a good fit. I will try to deal with the federation issues as soon as possible.
- Great, thank you!

@otter@lemmy.ca, now that !dataisbeautiful@mander.xyz is launched and pretty active (1.47k weekly active users), what do you think we should do with !dataisbeautiful@lemmy.ml ?
Should we suggest people to move to the new one, and lock the lemmy.ml one?
- Nice!
  I'll see about pinning a message next time I'm on Desktop, to redirect anyone that is looking there. The old community wasn't getting that many new posts already
  
  Thanks!

Update: community is created, !dataisbeautiful@mander.xyz !

Update: Mander are working on their federation issues (https://mander.xyz/post/14144123), so I would wait until they are done to create a community there

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