Trump official declaring ‘anyone who preaches hate for America’ will be deported worries users: ‘They just skip the First Amendment’

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- Imagine if everyone just donated $10. We could fund our own think tank one that actually does the research, develops strategy, identifies pressure points, crafts effective slogans, and figures out how to organize and target key demographics for real impact.
  I'm tired of the usual approach where people are randomly called to show up and yell. It’s not working. Meanwhile, our opponents are using think tanks to play the long game and win. We're playing checkers while they're playing chess.
  We need to face the facts: they're outmaneuvering us. If we want to stand a chance, we have to stop reacting and start adapting, using some of the same strategic tools, but with our own values and purpose.

guns. purge.
- Nah, they got guns just for school shootings. /s

Fuck him.
- With a rusty pipe. I preach hate for America, were the baddies. Come get me pussy.

Wow, what a dumb thing to claim when you have surrounded yourself with “free speech absolutists”. They are going to lose it on him, right? …. Right?

If America wants people to stop hating, maybe instead of trying to wipe it's ass with the first amendment, it should stop cultivating hate with it's actions.
- If America wants people to stop hating
  What makes you think that is on the agenda? Hate is their specialty. A divided people are no threat to the oligarchy. Hate for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
- They don’t want people to stop hating. They want the us to consume itself.
- Hate has been actively cultivated online through various psyop campaigns over the years. It may have started offline but it skyrocketed with the growth of the internet to specifically destabilize the US.

This walking penis needs to be catapulted into the sun.

He means anyone who doesn't kiss his ass.

Kapo Stephen "PeeWee Himmler" Miller.

This reminds me, i have to sharpen my guillotine.

Free means all.
Rise, or fall.

If they destroy the first, use the second. That's why it was ratified!
- It wasn't. At all. And you can clearly see armed people aren't lining up to stop a clearly lawless authoritarian tyrant from holding power over them.
  
  This all just got started. People are still hoping something changes before they have to commit murder. By next summer, the attitude will be different.
- Free means all.
  Rise, or fall.

CANADA. Take note!! Get out and vote!!
- I'm gonna laugh so hard if the polls are correct (Canada has less of an issue here) and Trump causes Pierre Populism to go from a majority to a minority. I'm still voting and I am encouraging everyone I know to as well.
  
  The polls suggest a Liberal majority and PP might lose his seat.
  
  They will cook the voting machines
  Then for some reason there won’t be a hand recount
  And the fascists are in charge
  That’s what happened in USA

Some worried the administration was veering into an authoritarian territory.
Yeah no fucking shit. It has been happening since he got into office you fucking dipshits.
- Yep, and in no small part because of this shit right here, mealy-mouthed normalizing of a fascist.

"Veering into authoritarian territory"?! They set course for that the moment he was sworn in and floored it, have you not been paying attention?!
- Since before even lol
  
  Well before. The only thing he has been open and honest about. yet here we are.

After all the stuff Stephen Miller pulled during Trumps first term, I can't believe no one made sure he couldn't do it again. Apparently, I'm an idiot for thinking someone would hold him accountable.
- Could you remind us all the stuff he pulled?

I can hardly believe that we have devolved so far, so quickly. We are literally one step away from becoming an authoritarian dictatorship. The plan is this:
Deport (and by deport, they mean imprison for life) immigrants. These immigrants will mostly be legitimately illegal and gang associated criminals, but there will be a few individuals with legal standing and no criminal records. This could simply be the result of denying due process, or it could be an intentional test. The important factor is that 5th Amendment Due process rights are denied to all of them. The fact that these people (but be sure to de-humanize them as much as possible) are immigrants will be the distracting factor. <---- We are here
Deport (and by deport, they mean imprison for life) criminals. These will be legitimate criminals with legitimately horrible records; that will be the distracting issue that will be made the focus of the argument: "They are serial killers, rapists, pedophiles, we don't want them here, so we should get rid of them." This has already been announced as the plan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUfrwWz-m5I . That is not the point! The point is that they are still U.S. citizens, despite their crimes. The significance of this is that it will be the final barrier that needs to be broken, and the final protection that must be dismantled for the final solution to be enacted. If no one steps up and successfully defends the constitutional rights of these American citizens, then all the pieces will be in place for step 3.
Deport (and by deport, they mean imprison for life) political dissidents, rivals, business opponents, and maybe just anyone the administration doesn't like. If they are political dissidents they will claim that they have committed crimes like, "hate speech against America(TM)", if they are a minority, they will be "associated with gangs", if they are business rivals it will have committed "economic terrorism", or something like that. It doesn't really matter because they eliminated due process in step 1 (remember that was the important factor, not the immigrant dis-tractor), and without due process they don't have to prove any crimes. Our last defense would have been the simple fact that we are American Citizens, but we established that doesn't matter in step 2 because they were "bad people", but now the "bad people" are whoever the administration decides is bad.
The context of the 5th amendment is important to understand its intent:
Historically, the Fifth Amendment draws significant influence from English common law. The grand jury clause specifically dates back to the Magna Carta, and was designed to protect accused persons from prosecution by the English royalty. In keeping with that intention, the Constitution’s framers opted to adapt the grand jury to the Constitution, so as to protect citizens from prosecution by the federal government.
Reagan Library
Even in a Monarchy, which is not the form of government we are supposed to have, the Magna Carta offered protections against the King from prosecuting commoners, which is the origin of this amendment. We aren't just devolving to pre-revolution America, which had enough disagreements with the rule of King George III that it sparked a war...no we are devolving to a pre-Magna Carta England type of Government. We are descending into middle-age feudalism with complete authoritarian rule.... and we aren't fortunate enough to have a dictator like Alfred the Great.
- He literally SAID he was going to do this. I don’t understand why anyone is surprised.
  
  It's the one thing he was truly honest about and they laughed at him and watched marvel movies.
- Exactly like Thiel and the creeps around him have envisioned it.
  https://justplainkris.substack.com/p/the-tech-oligarchs-playbook-how-musk
  
  thiel unlike many other billionaire seems to stay out of the spotlight, because they dont want attention upon themselves, hes a mastermind of TRUMP through vance. thiel being GAY also makes him a big target if hes in the news too many times. one of the reasons he went after gawker by using hogan as intermediary.

Skipping the first amendment would be making some speech illegal. With like a law and courts. They are also skipping the 5th, which would be due process.
- The Founding Fathers gave us the 2nd Amendment as a protection against anyone who would take away any of the other amendments. These people are DARING us to use it.
  
  If congress doesn't impeach and remove, I don't see any other way this shit will end.

kinda like how SA have banned LGBTq, immediately deports people if they come out.

I love America… I fucking hate Trump, MAGA and the GOP.
- As we all know, a person defines themselves through their actions. So does a country.
  Imho, saying Trump(ism) isn't America is like people who do evil, but still think they are good people. Admitting you have a problem is the first step in getting better. You need to hate what America has become. Shifting the blame to the current administration just lets people feel good about themselves. They shouldn't. There is work to do.
  The second step is meeting up with others in your community already working to fix it.
  
  Yes, Trumpism is extremely American, just like Trump embodies so many American virtues and vices.
  
  Yep. At least 30% of americans supported this maga crap while the majority did nothing to stop him. As a Canadian, I'm not going to distinguish between those who supported trump and those who didn't care enough to stop him. Both are equally responsible, and both must pay the price. Personally, i'm hoping the price will be so great that the US will split apart. Of course, Canada alone won't make the US disappear, but the world united against the US absolutely will.
- Make America Free Again!!!
- America gave you Trump, MAGA and the GOP.
- But in his mind “Trump = America”
- "Ope, looks like this guy hates America. Take him away boys."

Why do Americans still talk about the constitution like it means something or is still relevant?
Your constitution is GONE. It's a historical artifact. It has no meaning in today's America.
All that matters now is the whim of the emotional toddler in the White House. Get used to it. He's not going until he's dead.
- They can't grasp that they will have to pick up arms to get their country back and they'll fight you about it too.
- And PP is having wet dreams about destroying Canada in the same way. FFS Get out and vote!!!
  
  On trump's new voting machines with back end processing via musk's starlink. Like I say, he's not going till he's dead.

america means freedom and diversity and immigrants. the trump administration hates america

Some worried the administration was veering into authoritarian territory.
Oh good, you're finally awake. Let's get you caught up on the last six months.
- His first term was a shitshow.
  
  Yeah, no, this term there's a lot less kayfabe, a lot more actual speedrunning tyranny. Not to say that they weren't angling at tyranny before, but it's clear they learned their lessons and came back with a plan.
  
  For us, yes. For Republicans, no. In Trump's first term:
  He stacked the Supreme Court in his favor (2 of the 3 he appointed helped steal the 2000 election for Bush)
  He appointed a record number of federal judges (260, most of which come from the Federalist Society)
  He reversed a CFPB rule that made it easier to file class action lawsuits against banks for fucking us over
  He oversaw more federal executions of prisoners than any president in 120 years
  He cut corporate tax rates from 35% to 21%, the lowest rate since 1939
  He pulled the US out of the Trans-Pacific Partnership, and our spot was filled by China
  There is so much more that he got done which set the stage for what is happening now. For example, he tried to pass about two thirds of the Heritage Foundation's 'Mandate for Leadership' policies in his first term, which is what inspired them to write 'Project 2025', another iteration of the Mandate on steroids.
  The fact that Trump lost the election in 2020 is a total fluke, and it took a global pandemic that killed over a million Americans to make him lose.
  His first term was far from a shit show in terms of making the current shit show possible.

A lunatic Nazi clown says what?

Just for the record, I hate America and I think you should too.

To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. -Theodore Roosevelt
- They ARE traitors. Russian-backed, Nazi-seig-heil throwing traitors. They aren't joking about wanting to jail liberals. They 100% mean it.
  They've been prepped to be fine with it since they started calling "liberalism a mental disorder."
  Straight Russian propaganda. The Kremlin wants to stamp out western liberal democracy. MAGA's the push to destroy America
  
  Why have the billionaires not prevented it? Project 2025 was known. Billionaires will lose huge parts of their wealth when the USA collapses and Russia or China take over.
- Ok, but what about critics of the zio regime? Both "parties" agree that they should be kidnapped and encaged, right?
  
  Nope. Jailing anyone without due process/etc is un American. We talked before.
  We are on the same side. If you're not a bad actor, I encourage you to take a more constructive approach to this discussion.
  When Hamas very first attacked, I was on Israel's side. Not everyone is as educated on Israel's influence on our politics/etc. (fuck Israel. They can figure shit out on their own. I don't want to fund genocide. Period.)
  
  Zionist Democrats want to fine you and repress you in financial ways. They want to "tut tut" you for being anti-Semitic.
  Zionist Republicans want to put you (and immigrants, and LGBT, and dissenters) in a death camp.
  
  bUt wHaTaBoUt……

Put Trump and his family on the first boat then..

He's been in office 3 months. Please kill me, make it quick
- Just start yelling about supporting Palestine. It'll probably happen

Come get me asshole! I’ve hated this place since cancers like you were allowed to infect our politics.
- No. Born here, raised here, belong here. Troll elsewhere.
  
  We'd prefer you would leave, since you're part of the problem with our country.
  
  You get the fuck out. I am Canadian even, and I am telling you to GTFO. It is people like you who are fucking everything up.
  
  I genuinely can't imagine how empty your life would have to be to sign up to lemmy and spend your tragically finite time on this earth """trolling""" people.
  Go to twitter, make some like minded freinds, maybe pickup a hobby or something dude.

In this context, “hate for America” really just means hate for Trump and MAGAs.
- We really are deep into dear leader territory with the cabinet spending an hour jerking the president off instead of fixing the economy he drove off a cliff.
  
  The whole party is a cult now. I got banned from the conservative subreddit just for asking - as a conservative myself - what conservative values they think a criminal like him is embodying. What exactly is he conserving? This man has cheated on all of his wives, is a racist, extremely egotistical, etc. He’s closer to the Antichrist than the second coming of Christ. His entire admin is just birds of a feather.
  
  emulating russia, almost as if trump is getting his suggestions from putin, if not directly.
- It can also mean disapproval of genocide, or having the wrong skin color, or speaking Spanish, or being gay or trans, or saying it's OK to be gay or trans. Basically it means doing anything Nazis don't like.
- Millers head is a pretty good size for the Luigis in the world.

Personally, I love this country. I fought for it. I will not bow to fascist twats such as this.
- I, too, love what the USA should be and can be. This is my home, they are my people. I am staying right here.
  
  I’ve never for a second planned on going anywhere but if they want to try and deport me I’ll happily spit in the faces of all my relatives who act like this shit would never happen and leftists are full of it for saying it would. It’s fucking happening. It’s fucking happening right now.
  
  I fucking hate it here but I can't get a job abroad that'll sponsor me. This is my home. But it's a dump rolling towards a cliff. Get me out.
- This nation was birthed in blood and has existed parasitically on the global south for over 250 years. It is a fascist ethno-nationalist state that exists only to consume and destroy.
  The more history I learn, the more I am disgusted and horrified by the place I call home. Trump is exactly what this country deserves. If he brings the whole project crashing down, its no less than we all deserve.
  
  Why does the wage worker at McDonald's deserve an even shittier life? You all think that if America gets punished they will learn their lesson.
  
  The U.S. government is one thing. The people who live here are another.
  We should never judge someone just because they were born in a certain country. Blaming people for where they come from is prejudice, plain and simple.
  Yes, Americans can be frustrating. Many seem unaware of what their country does beyond its borders. Many have failed to demand change. But instead of writing them off, we should ask why that is.
  The truth is, they’ve grown up inside one of the most powerful propaganda systems in history. From the moment they’re born, they’re fed myths about freedom, greatness, and endless growth—while being isolated, overworked, and misled. Their ignorance isn’t always a choice. Often, it’s something that’s been done to them.
  So instead of condemning them, let’s choose compassion. Let’s challenge the system that raised them this way—and reach out to those willing to see through the lies.
  Real change means building solidarity, not more division. Speak the truth. Share knowledge. Offer empathy. That’s how we turn a misled population into a powerful force for transformation.
- The US is one of the most diverse places in the world. It's a shame how government can ruin such a great place with potential.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion

Hello...? ACLU? Journalists? Lawyers?Congresspeople? Senators? It's the 1st Amendment. The very first one! They should be suing this administration and blasting this out every single day. And we all should be calling our representatives every day, marching, and protesting. To start. Our democracy and country is being strangled, and the silence is deafening.
- I think we are a little bit past lawsuits and the ACLU. The rule of law is dead. Now there is only action and consequence.
  Dems are captured oposition. Best you can hope for now is state seccessions or a military coup/junta. Baring that, you won't believe how bad things are going to get.
  
  the DINOs are essentially republicans that would never get elected as an R, so they pretend to be on the otherside, and they would like to keep the money train going with trump in power, because they benefit from it too.
  
  Best hope is still Americans getting together and organizing civil society to oppose the trump administration.
- Everyone is suing. They’re ignoring the courts and suing news agencies that are telling the truth
- All you have left is to literally fight. No court or paperwork will help you. Proven repeatedly yet you grasp at something that hasn't existed for some time.

Fuck you Mr Miller. Fuck what you and yours are doing to my country. I hate it. I fucking dare you to deport me.
- I hate America tbh have not stood for the anthem in over a decade.
  
  I haven't either. People are stupid because they wanted to lose all we have.

What a dumpster fire this country is rn so sorry for you Americans 💀🙏
- Not my first rodeo
  This is the second autocratic country I've lived in
  With my track record, I'll go to EU next and bring the bad luck too 🥲
- Careful, at this rate, they might come to your country and deport you with speech like that.
- Yeah. It sucks, but between the illiterate corp of ignorati that voted for that little pissfart and his pet weasel, and the smug entitled geniuses that somehow sussed that doing nothing is a perfect way to create change…
  We pretty much deserve it at this point. I just wish so many innocent people didn’t have to suffer for it.
- Don't be, most of us deserve it.
  
  At least half of us do. The other half (mostly) tried to stop it.

Does that mean they can deport Trump?

Americans have proved that their “we need guns to stand up to an oppressive government” talk was just that, talk.
- The ones primarily saying that want to shoot liberals and leftists.
  The few liberals and leftists who are pro-gun probably don't have sufficient support or power to form a militia force. Because most liberals and leftists in the US are anti-gun.
  
  https://www.counterextremism.com/supremacy/john-brown-gun-club
  https://socialistra.org/
- We are somehow all of the weapons with none of the class consciousness.
- They still think their speech is protected and it's only liberals, insert racist list speech that's fundamental and should be punished.

it's just yo scare you into complacency, you can say anything in a speech
- My gut wants to say that this is maybe intended to distract us from keeping focus on the embarrassments of the Signal debacle and the tanking economy. But my gut also tells me that we can have multiple awful things piling up on each other.
  
  To be honest, the Signal debacle was a way to distract us from the literal bombing that they were using Signal to plan.
  
  Way worse stuff going on. Elon is pilfering data and firing people ever day. Election laws are changing. Lawyers are getin sued into compliance with Maga policies.

Yup, America is officially a fascist state. They just admit they are full on Nazis now. Never in my lifetime I thought America will turn into that and here we are. It's fucking wild, like I'm living in some alternate timeline of Wolfenstein The New Colossus. Just wild.

We need to ratchet this up, actually. Not just those who hate America. but those who have publicly declared in the last 12 years that America is anything less than great. Citizen or not, if we have record of you declaring America is not great, I want you gone. Start with the ones who said it loudest and to the biggest crowds.
- So, all politicians? Lol
  
  Yes

Don't worry, Neo Goebbels, you'll get yours.
- and don’t forget to take your kids along on your escape too, Steve.
  
  All authoritarians are frightened pussies.
- Fuck yes, I want to upvote this into existence, bright lights spelling this out right outside of this shit bird's bedroom with window
  
  We can hang him upside down with those string of lights.

See, this is why I hate America.

This shit and people like the president, are why we fucking hate this shithole of a country.

Hey, I might be able to become a Canadian refugee. Sweet

It is time to open up the bullet box. The conservatives are going to attempt imprisoning or killing any North American who doesn't bend the knee.

There is no hate in 'muh-ri-ca

Republicans hate America and half of Americans.
They will self deport then?

critics are increasingly questioning whether rhetoric like Miller’s is a precursor to more aggressive suppression of dissent.
I dunno folks. we certainly don't have any other examples of Trump policies or behavior that might support this notion. I'm glad they are just "increasingly questioning" it.
Maybe when the concentration camps start showing up on US soil that will be enough.
- They're not going to be on US soil. There's a reason the Nazis built there's in foreign soil as well. If people are being rounded up into camps, they really have nothing to lose at that point. If you build them on US soil, you legitimately have to worry about crowds of heavily armed Americans showing up to liberate people from them. If you're going to get sent to a camp anyway, you have nothing to lose taking up arms against them. It's a lot more difficult to try and liberate a concentration camp in El Salvador.
- If they're on US soil then no one can get in the way to prevent these people from being released, by sending them to another country it's much more easy to say "Nothing I can do!"
  
  Yeah and much better than having Cuban intelligence report on all your crimes against humanity in GITMO.
- The media is going to question and further legitimize this fascist state right up until their networks go down because other nations are bombing us. It’s up to Americans to stop this travesty before it gets that far…”they”, ie media pundits or current crop of political leaders, are not going to do it for us.

The world would be a better place if Stephen Miller never said or wrote another word. He's more hateful of the Constitution than anyone in the country. He's a white supremacist bigot who is scared of his own shadow, and when cornered by his idiocy in an interview the only thing he knows how to do is fake outrage to dodge.

This kind of speech that Miller is speaking sounds very unamerican to me, so let’s deport him first.

This is my country. I don't hate the country but the trash humans who have grifted their way into power. Just like a nasty shit they to will pass into the sewers.

Laws are only words on paper if no one bothers to enforce it. Even moreso when it comes to constitutions.

Hi, I hate America, please deport me.
Pretty please?
I'm a citizen, but that shouldn't matter anymore...
- Not like they will deport you back to your "country of origin" or some tropical getaway. They will send you to a torture prison to die a slow death. Defend yourself, arm yourself, prepare to die if/when they come, because the alternative is way worse.
  
  I'm surprised none of these kidnappings have become violent. I mean they're not trying anyone anyhow.
- Wish Granted.
  You're now in El Salvador
  Monkey Paw Curls...

I'm unable to say what I'd like to say about this, sooooo, I'm just going to recommend a good movie.
It's called Inglorious Bastards, it's a wonderful film.
Also, baseball is a great pass time. 🐻 Go Cubs!
- I've got another movie recommendation: Winter on Fire
  
  Wolfenstein is a good game I’ve heard.

anyone who “preaches hate for America” will face deportation
welp that's most of my posts
- If you live in the USA, protect your privacy any time you post something. Lemmy might be even worse than Reddit when it comes to privacy since it's impossible to wipe all your data (while Reddit can be forced to do so by anyone "in Europe").
  
  Reddit monopolized the access to it's data. There everyone with an instance can vacuum up every post\comment\vote. Only PMs and credentials are between you and your admin. I prefer everyone to have access rather than the highest bidder, but it means there's no safeguard of said bidding, and users should be aware of it and pick an according mode of interacting there.
  
  It’s cute you think Reddit ever actually deletes anything

Well they have abandoned the Constitution
Why would they care?

bell riots were a few months off but surprisingly accurate timing.
- This timeline is way, way worse than the Bell Riots.
  First of all, Sanctuary Districts in US cities weren't nearly as bad as supermax prisons in foreign countries.
  Second, at least they actually rioted. We're still failing to do so, for some reason.
  
  Can’t riot if only go outdoor twice a month to politely protest for part of a day .
  Can’t organize riots in social posts.
  Small groups of wealthy and influential citizens cannot ask, once more, if you will please riot.
  The USA cannot riot at all right now.
  It’s broken