An ad giant wants to control your next TV’s OS
Sonos is rumored to be building a streaming box running The Trade Desk’s OS.
I want a TV with NO OS.
Look into Sceptre. 4K with no OS, no ads, doesn't ask for WiFi - just a TV.
It’s hard but not impossible, as even ‘retail displays’ run an OS in the background to control input switching, image settings etc.
Honestly the best thing to do is buy whatever TV you want (we have a couple of the LG OLEDs in our household), and don’t ever plug them into your network (or WiFi). Otherwise, with updates OS and apps become sluggish, with more ads crammed in.
Instead, use a seperate media player (e.g. Apple TV if you’re already on the iOS ecosystem, Nvidia Shield or similar for Android, HTPC if you’re so inclined etc.) - they’re more powerful, arguably more secure & private, and portable between displays if/when you upgrade.
You'll see these marketed as monitors sometimes, from what I've seen. Mostly it's for businesses but if you want a dumb screen to connect things to, it might be called a "monitor" even if it has the form factor of a TV.
An ad giant already owns and controls my current TV’s OS
I don’t want an OS on my next TV…
FYI for those using DNS-based adblocking: I discovered that my AndroidTV box asks 8.8.8.8 when my local DNS server blocks a request.
Block all port 53 traffic from your network outside of your DNS server/pihole itself.
Block all known DoH servers.
If you want to get REALLY fancy you can write a NAT rule that will force any outgoing request on port 53 to route to your dns/pihole.
I do all of this. It's actually funny to see the requests that were hardcoded to go somewhere. Giant fuck you to those companies.
What a shower of twats. Don't block the request in that case, just redirect it to your local server that returns a 1x1 transparent png for all requests.
Depending on your router you can forward all request on port 53 to your DNS server regardless of the IP they try to use.
I always have issues with dns blocking so I tried something sneaky I redirected all DNS requests to 1.1.1.1/1.0.0.1 and it worked brilliantly, for about a month when it stopped working all together, I don’t know if a cache was wiped or google saw what I was doing and made a special exception just for me, obviously I want to believe I’m a special snowflake taking the world’s largest internet company head on in an epic battle of wits and skill but I think the cache thing might be more likely for some reason.
Dang, so you'd have to block Google's DNS at the router level too?
I wouldn't mind doing it. I run my own DNS so it wouldn't affect me, but I figure if they're already trying 8.8.8.8 they may as well try 8.8.4.4 and perhaps more, so it'd require a bunch of firewall rules.
Now, all of that is moot point cause I hate the whole "smart TV" thing, so they'd never be connected to the internet.
I set up my firewall to block all outgoing traffic to ports 53 and 853 (except for the upstream traffic from my pihole). I suppose DoH could still sneak through though.
I connected an old laptop with linux mint and put the TV always in HDMI mode. Problem solved.
Only if you mean the tv has no web access
EtherNet over HDMI
Then block 8.8.8.8 and use 1.1.1.1 or Quad9
Ehm, it is already like that. Most of smart TVs use Android which is under Google control, a big (if not the biggest) ad company.
Don’t ever connect them to the internet. Period.
If it’s required, buy a different tv. It’s not difficult to look that up beforehand.
I suspect in the near future it will be impossible to buy a TV without spyware/adware. The only option will be to not connect it to the internet and run your own Raspberry PI/SBC based solution.
If I worked for the manufacturer I'd just piggy back on other TVs networks to communicate. Wouldn't work if you live in the country but for everyone else I'd just need a similar brand within wifi range.
Checking before buy buying will be possible for computer and privacy « educated » people only, that leaves almost everyone helpless in the real world, in a store facing TVs all playing the demo video. Maybe some will read Amazon reviews or do actual research… hope.
I have an old 60 inch 1080p TV from the early days of smart tvs. It has a built in app for plex and youtube, a remote that works as a pointer, it's insanely slow but it has zero ads and I'm never ever getting a newer model.
Yup. My 58" 4k LG TV has a bunch of apps (we only need Netflix and Jellyfin), and the only ads I've seen are in their apps, which don't need to be opened. It's a little slow and apparently can't even handle Jellyfin over HTTPS, but it works well.
My SO wants a bigger TV, and I'm dreading looking through the current market to find a decent replacement. I'd really like OLED and for it to be a few inches bigger, but it seems everything has ads and spyware out of the box. Screw that...
Same here, one of our "smart" TVs needs Ethernet for networking, the other needs a Wi-Fi dongle. Rest aren't even smart. All 1080p.
Googles been a TV OS for a while now.
Solution: get a dumb tv
Getting increasingly hard.
I finally learned why those 50" tvs are so cheap, like $200. Buy a dumb TV that's the same size is easily 5x the price.
Then again, nobody needs a TV and I only bought one during the pandemic, then connected it to my pi hole.
Is there a reason to go for a dumb TV as opposed to just not connecting your smart TV to wifi?
Good luck with that
The biggest ad giant in the world already controls my TV's OS
What's with the clickbait title?
This is not news, it has been happening since Smart TVs started being a thing.
One of the most common TV OSs is AndroidTV / GoogleTV. Google is the biggest ad company in the world.
Now all you need is a built-in camera to prove Orwell was right... only off by a few decades, really.
phones and laptops got that covered
"A convicted felon and sex offender wants to control your next country"
Anyone know of a reasonably priced OLED/QLED, >60", 4k TV without smart features?
I really don't want the spyware and adware that come with newer smart TVs, and I'm willing to pay a bit of a premium for it. I'd also be happy with a unicorn smart TV that doesn't have any of those anti-features.
What about just not connecting it to the network? Then put a video device on it like Roku or Apple tv or whatever.
just not connecting it to the network?
Some TVs require connecting to the network to set it up, and I'm concerned TV manufacturers will get more brazen going forward. If there's a company that doesn't do this nonsense, I'd rather reward them for being good instead of working around misfeatures in popular brands.
Roku
Has ads that can be disabled, at least as-of last year. Not sure how long that'll last...
Apple TV
Apple also seems interested in ads.
Any other option will likely degrade to having ads at some point. I could probably get rid of them w/ a PiHole or something, but that could end up being a game of whack-a-mole.
I'll probably end up w/ a Raspberry Pi or something running Kodi or similar, which is really annoying because that's yet another thing I have to self-host just to avoid this stupid obsession with ads.
Yah, as much as I hear people looking for non-smary TVs for this reason, that's the correct answer. Mine is connected for convenience, and I'd rather save every mb of space on my xbox, right now there's occasionally the small ad tucked into the input selection menu, but if it starts showing me full screen ads I'll deny it internet and install streaming services on Xbox.
normal people can't just.... grab a single board PC and... install Linux on it! What are they supposed to do!?
I dunno, suffer, I guess. Pass the keyboard. I'm feeling Friends.
edit: my cousin and his wife came over about four months ago and saw we used a keyboard and the TV was just a computer and he went "why the fuck haven't we just done that?". He doesn't know know Linux, but he has a Steam Deck and got by alright.
Sometimes, they just need the idea, a little push.
For a lot of people it’s a good use that’s the difference. I’ve been fucking around trying to set up home assistant for a year when I have time (yeah idk I know it’s supposed to be plug and play but it isn’t for me), but my wife and I were talking this morning and she’s the computer person and once we live somewhere there’s a smart thermostat she’s probably going to set it up because at that point it’s worth the effort, and if she didn’t at that point it would be worth me dedicating the consistent effort to make happen. What you’re describing is similar. If I see it I might try it if not doing it is inconvenient
What’s a TV? Is that like a monitor?
Seeing this just makes me want a tv that is just a monitor, no crap you just plug in your own thing whatever you want.
Done! Take any Smart TV, factory reset it. And never let it connect to the Internet again .
Look into commercial monitors like the Samsung BET-H series. I bought a 43” one years ago, plugged an Apple TV into it, and haven’t really thought about the screen ever since.
According to the specs it runs Tizen, but I haven’t had to look at a menu since I got the settings dialed in, i.e. years, so I completely forgot. Don’t even know where the OEM remote is, it works with the HDMI-CEC commands sent by the Apple TV.
Buy a commercial display, thats what I do.
My video projector is dumb, and that's the way I like it.
This is the way. 20 years ago, I got rid of an old Sony CRT that literally weighed as much as I did, and have had nothing but projectors since. Lots of complaints from the rest of the family around “it’s not bright enough”, and “it’s too complicated”, but hey ho.
Pi hole FTW.
Not good enough. Any OTA updates your TV can get over the web will eventually be trying to circumvent your IP blacklists to shove in any ad-riddled garbage they can.
Literally just blacklist your TV’s MAC address, and use a dedicated set top box of some kind to avoid this shit. My current choice is my NVIDIA Shield Pro 2019, which I installed a 3rd party WOLF launcher (there’s also F-Launcher) and turned off auto-updates so I could avoid NVIDIA and Google doing the same.
At some point, I will probably need to switch to a NUC or other HTPC with some flavor of Linux on it, as eventually the Shield may succumb to this shit as well.
How bout no
For fuck’s sake.
Smart TVs are why I'm never getting rid of the old Samsung TV I'm currently using as a monitor for my desktop. It's not quite flat screen like an actual flat screen, but at least it doesn't have a camera attached to it (besides the USB camera I keep unplugged unless needed), no microphone, and no ads. Plus, I still have access to all the other types of things I need like AVI and coaxial inputs, besides HDMI. It's gonna be the saddest day ever when the beauty decides to die on me.
Good thing I don't care about owning a tv I don't already know how to jailbreak.
So stupid! Everyone knows if you want people to see your company's logo, you gotta put it on the back of the cereal box, at the bottom of the cereal bowl or on the front and back of the poon! The spoon is literally observed by every single human on every bite....here come the rice crispiest!...jeep! I gotta get me a jeep! Look! It's on my spoon!
I got a old dumb Toshiba tv lol.