Springfield IL woman who called sheriff's office over possible intruder killed by deputies, attorney says
Sonya Massey, 36, died after an early-morning encounter with deputies from the Sangamon County Sheriff’s Office on July 6, authorities said.
State police said body camera video and other information tied to the case is not immediately being released to “protect the integrity of the legal process”
“We need time to plausibly lose this.”
meanwhile, cops also say "oops pardon the intrusion mr white man assassin, please carry on" and climb back down the ladder
Yeah that was a crazy story. With all the police militarization in this country you'd think they would have some training to go along with it.
I once got sucked into a copaganda thing in Vegas. (I thought they had Tommy guns). The whole point was to put you on the officer's shoes to make snap decisions to show why we need to be less critical of police when they kill civilians. I argued with her that this was why we need to increase training and job requirements. The guide did not like that.
The only thing that can stop a bad guy (read: minority) with a gun is a good guy (read: straight white male) with a gun.
Is this a Hip Hop Hood reference?
Edit: It just occurred to me that we are living in a stupid 90s comedy.
No deputies were injured, the sheriff’s office said.
Cowards with guns and itchy trigger fingers. Watching bodycam videos on YT, it's incredible how risk-averse they are. It makes the inaction at Uvalde clearer.
The Uvalde cops saved lives. Imagine how many kids they would have shot if they had entered the school.
I would say all of them, but I imagine their marksmanship is terrible.
I watched one the other day where a black soldier in uniform was pulled over at night so he pulled into a gas station instead of stopping on the side of the dark road and the cops who pulled him over were super aggro about it and from the jump were pointing guns and yelling at him to get out of the vehicle. He put his hands out the window and was asking them what was going on and all they would do was continue screaming at him to do what they say and get out. One of the cops eventually walked all the way up to his window and pepper sprayed him. I think they cops got in trouble for it afterwards but it was so stupid. All they had to do was talk to the dude.
The best part is, is that pretty much every police department says to..if you get pulled over, to acknowledge the officer, and pull over where its safe, and to drive at low speed, to the nearest illuminated area.
and the second you do exactly that, the swat team is deployed and, if you manage to fucking survive, you end up on the ER with chemical burns at best, broken bones or gunshot at worst.
Following orders is not a guarantee to prevent being murdered, just look at Daniel Shaver.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Grossman_(author)
The cops have classes that teach them to murder first because protect and serve is bullshit.
There are several of these "classes" that PD pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to train cops to be fascist fuck machines.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/police-trainer-best-sex-killing/
Historically, all the force, money, and power the cops abuse are why the Templar Knights were eventually tried and burned at the stake for sex crimes, theft, and satanism. Same shit; different century.
Oddly enough the Knights were tortured to death for their hypocritically evil sexually perverse behavior. I don't see that happened to these pigs any time soon though. But they will torture and murder you for doing nothing but having a bad day.
if they acted on the uvalde shooting the number of casualties would have probably tripled.
Then be a cop, show them how.
Not defending anyone. Because I don’t know shit. I’ll hold my rage until I do.
That is what corrupts you.
When she had one problem, then she got herself a fatal one.
Society is so accepting of this, nothing will be done. This is just a part of living the American Dream.
"shoot when scared" has been a terrible police policy
Its amazing how the police can be terrified hyper-reactionary cowards, and can use that as justification for murder.
but the bog standard citizenry have to be upright, with 100% control over every single muscle in their body and thought in their head,, while showing the more discipline than the most seasoned military official during an inspection, without a single ounce of fear, hesitation, or doubt, Or else we get brutalized and/or shot.
All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.
how you dare to interrupt my midnight meal
That goes to show you what not to do. I much rather call a friend...we catch the guy, give him some sleeping medication....we drive him to the desert.... Maybe we make a little incision and plant a gps locator. If he decides to come back, you take drastic measures. Nothing bad, just more sleeping pills and a big box return to sender to China or Australia.
Never call the police unless you want your name on some dirt that will be used against you.
I don't care if this woman pulled a Eustace and went "Ooga Booga Booga," mask and all. A officer's default reaction should not be "shoot in the head." And they're not releasing the footage, which they would happily do of they believed it was in their favor.
Even if she came out with a bat/knife, they didn't try to hit anything else? Leg, arm, shoulder, nothing? Neither officer had injuries, so who was shooting at them? Clearly it wasn't this woman, but the article says they reported shots fired. Did they even get the intruder? I'm not going to say that every case is the same, but I've seen plenty of standoff videos where cops plead with people to drop the weapon, give multiple warnings, etc., and STILL don't shoot to kill.
There have been many, many cases of officers shooting first and asking questions later. And they usually just get a paid vacation. We will continue to rage until they understand that this is not okay, and that being an officer doesn't give you carte blanche to shoot people when you get startled. If you can't handle that, you shouldn't be a officer
Signed, Someone who shouldn't be an officer because I also startle easy
How is this not fascism? Just because their violence is directed mostly towards minorities?
Why in our news cycle do we need to rage before there is any significant information about a story, then wait for the information, then either rage some more.. or possibly never hear anything again. I absolutely get it. You call the cops, you get shot, that is highly unexpected- to say the least. Maybe.
Perhaps the officer had her dead-to-rights and decided to pull the trigger. Perhaps she jumped out from behind a corner saying, “OH THANK GO…!”. Perhaps she thought the cop was the intruder and came after him with a bat, etc., etc., etc. The point is WE DON’T KNOW anything from this article.
Yet, we are all supposed to sit in the edge of our seats waiting for such information. I HATE it.
This article has no information other than,“Something really unexpected happened, more at 11!”
So, why aren’t we allowed to wait until there is actual information before we pick up news? Or before we post it to lemmy to upvote, invent narratives, and rage away while we wait for important details?
Perhaps the officer had her dead-to-rights and decided to pull the trigger. Perhaps she jumped out from behind a corner saying, “OH THANK GO…!”. Perhaps she thought the cop was the intruder and came after him with a bat, etc., etc., etc
None of these scenarios should end with a bullet in her head, are you crazy?
The first two no. Which is exactly why I added them. Are you crazy? The last, who knows. Very likely not. But have you ever been hit in the head with a bat, or do you just like to sit on the couch and pretend what you would do if you were?
In any event, actual news about this event has since been reported. You can stop pretending you knew what happened and rage at what did happen.
So, why aren’t we allowed to wait until there is actual information before we pick up news?
Simple. Whence does the information come from, what benefits would said groups have from a non-timely release of information (hint: it's the same groups caught losing footage and running out procedural clocks on FOIA requests), and how did you solve the age old question of "who watches the watchers" that you can even begin to entertain these notions?
Came at him with a bat? What slapstick comedy do you think was this scared citizens last fractions of a second before being gunned down? How many minorities shot first and asked about never does it take for you to make a pattern?
A sworn officer was called and shot the caller dead. Frankly, fuck off. That is enough to rage away with.
Everything you just said after “who watches the watchers” is purely conjecture. You have no fucking idea what happened.
Did I ever say I didn’t want fucking news about cops shooting victims? If you could read, you would see I would like to wait until there is actual information about the shooting, so stupid mother fuckers like you don’t simply make up their own “facts”.
You, figuratively:
"What if she deserved to be shot in the head?"
You, literally:
"I didn't verbatim say that! So you're wrong! Checkmate!"
Go find some rope, holy shit.
Lol, it didn’t say ANYTHING. Which is what I actually said. No “verbatim” about it, dumbass.
I don't care if this woman pulled a Eustace and went "Ooga Booga Booga," mask and all. A officer's default reaction should not be "shoot in the head." And they're not releasing the footage, which they would happily do of they believed it was in their favor.
Even if she came out with a bat/knife, they didn't try to hit anything else? Leg, arm, shoulder, nothing? Neither officer had injuries, so who was shooting at them? Clearly it wasn't this woman, but the article says they reported shots fired. Did they even get the intruder? I'm not going to say that every case is the same, but I've seen plenty of standoff videos where cops plead with people to drop the weapon, give multiple warnings, etc., and STILL don't shoot to kill.
There have been many, many cases of officers shooting first and asking questions later. And they usually just get a paid vacation. We will continue to rage until they understand that this is not okay, and that being an officer doesn't give you carte blanche to shoot people when you get startled. If you can't handle that, you shouldn't be a officer
Signed, Someone who shouldn't be an officer because I also startle easy
Even if she came out with a bat/knife, they didn’t try to hit anything else? Leg, arm, shoulder, nothing?
Aiming for center of mass is a pretty universal bit of firearm training. Doesn't excuse their reaction, but it is what you should be doing if you're gonna fire on someone. Going for legs or arms or a headshot means you're more likely to miss.
Well, because you're going to hear about it one way or another, and the people making these decisions (about releasing information) have no right answer. Somehow, the information will get out; if the pigs say nothing, they'll be accused of covering it up. So they try to get in front of the news and control what they can.
I don't know why we're this way, why the news organizations compete to be first to report on something, even with almost no information.
However: unless it turns out that the cops showed up and she started blasting at them, there's no justification for you to be murdered just because you called for help. Whether or not you jump-scared a cop; whether or not you have dementia and a kitchen knife, or a baseball bat. Heck even if she had a gun. Pigs have training, backup, bullet-proof vests; these victims have fear, adrenalin, often mental health issues, and an expectation that the people they call for help aren't going to show up and murder them.
Cops don't need justification, they have qualified immunity. (The only thing they are really qualified for, now that I think about it)
I don’t know why we’re this way, why the news organizations compete to be first to report on something, even with almost no information.
I mean, I’m mostly okay with them posting to let the community know they are digging into it. To let other outlets know. This is all on the up and up. I think what I get pissed at is how people (just look around these posts) take that very limited information and invent their own narrative. That becomes their reality no matter what future reporting shows. It’s sickening how fickle and susceptible people are to nudging towards a belief, and an entire belief system, based on very little actual facts.
Are there shit bag cops out there? YES. Are there systemic issues with the way we police? YES.
But, FUCK. Let’s at least wait until there are actual facts about a story to pull out pitch forks. Buncha fucking rage junkies.
https://apnews.com/article/illinois-sheriffs-deputy-charged-cf164189d678f921deff05fa3789d3a2
Enough details for you to be upset now, or do you think the pot of water possibly had a gun?
Nope, that’s exactly the level of detail people should have been waiting for.
