Anyone else banned from world news for criticizing China?
So I made a comment on worldnews criticizing Chinese activity in the south china sea and apparently got banned for it by the automod. This happen to anyone else? Is this Lemmy's version of the need help post and the shape of things to come?
The instance I posted in was Lemmy.ml
Block these instances: lemmy.ml lemmygrad.ml hexbear.net
There is no point arguing with tankies. They are dumb and they won't change. I just hope there will be a way to completely block those users including their comments. They are polluting the fediverse.
I just hope there will be a way to completely block [...] users including their comments.
Remember who the developers are.
They seem to be really anti-nsfw, so that could be a driving force for improving their instance blocking (and is probably the only reason it exists in the first place).
Connect for Lemmy does that.
Do I get an achievement if I'm banned or my instance was defederated from all of these?
That's just you finishing the tutorial.
I got a permanent ban on lemmygrad within days of making an account, see supporting Ukraine defend itself is obviously NATO apologia. I think the problem wasn't even my stance but that were actually convincing, they're not blocking you for saying "fuck tankies" or making bad arguments, they keep that stuff up to make, by extension, any criticism of their party line look stupid.
Only got temporary bans on lemmy.ml, for things such as pointing out that OP's article itself said that Ukraine didn't lay claim to the territories in Russia it officially recognises as "historically linguistically Ukrainian" in response to others in the thread doing the usual "Zelensky is a Nazi oppression Russian speakers" thing (never mind Zelensky being a native Russian speaker and Jew).
I just hope there will be a way to completely block those users including their comments. They are polluting the fediverse.
There already is, go to an instance that defederates from them. Or try to convince your current instance to do it. Or make your own personal instance so you're in control of what you defederate from.
It's a bit extreme to block the entirety of Lemmy.ml, no?
Based on what china is doing to fishing and military boats from the Philippines, I doubt they're just after 'transit'. They're making a territorial claim. Not much different from Russia's claim on Ukraine, except that its happening in international waters.
This is what OP was banned for. It’s not just the world news community, the admins police wrongthink across the entire instance.
to join lemmy.ml you need to copy and paste a paragraph from a communist text, so, no
It is they who are extreme.
Not at all. There’s nothing good that has .ml at the end of it here. You’re missing nothing.
I don't miss anything there other than the Firefox community.
No
The instance I posted in was Lemmy.ml
LOL! There ya go.
Yep.
Fastest way to get banned there is to give valid criticism of China or Russia.
One of the Tankiest of tankie instances
Lemmygrad
Even worse.
I've personally never bothered going on the .ml subs in the first place.
Lemmy.ml is a tankie instance that loves China and hates western countries. Unfortunately, it's also one of the biggest Lemmy instances because it's run by the main devs of Lemmy (who created Lemmy because they were frequently banned on other sites for bootlicking for China). Thankfully, Lemmy is open source and the nature of how it runs allows everyone to ignore the weird ideologies of the devs.
It's one of the only 3 instances I block. All tankies bullshit.
what are the other two?
I thought I was only blocking two but it seems I am blocking four
hexbear.net lemmy.ml alien.top lemmygrad.ml
Part of the reason lemmy.ml is so popular is that they advertise themselves as a privacy and FOSS instance run by Lemmy's developers with no mention of their enforcement of their political views.
Wish they would be upfront about their tankie views so people would know to avoid it. There's some communities on there that are decently active; it's annoying that those communities have to be left behind when defederating or blocking the instance as a whole.
This is the way
Those instances are just satire right?
.....right?
lemmygrad is a full-on cult, lemmy.ml is its public front and embassy, and hexbear, well, there's plenty of idiots on hexbear, the problem with hexbearians isn't that they're Stalinists but that they think signal politics does anything, hence also their propensity to pile. At least in the past I think they've given up on doing it outside hexbear.
Two of them are practically dead.
Hexbear is just the exodus of ChapoTrapHouse and a few affiliated sites from when Reddit kicked its ban policy into high gear. The Akira Toriyama Megathread and Online Movie Night top-posts seem about as sincere and good natured as anything on any other social media site.
Only if Sino on reddit was as well. Which I thought was when I first came across it.
How do I actually block instances?
Anyway fuck tankies
If you're on the website, just go to settings, block
West Taiwan big angry
Apparently I make the great yellow peril.
It was !worldnews@lemmy.ml ... so yeah, almost anyone that say anything against China. It's a tankie instance.
Use !world@lemmy.world instead.
It's !world@lemmy.world, the other one is a very inactive community.
Thanks, fixed it.
Imma go bash China brb... okay... i said I hated China. Well see ....
o7
Lemmy.world was the one that blocked me from calling out russian bs. And everyday its nothing but linkerbaan being busy trying to convince everyone that Status Quo Joe is the worst thing in the world bc Gaza.
Yeah. He's an obvious troll. The bigger problem is that when I've called him out in the past, a mod here has deleted my comments for misleading reasons. So it's obvious that at least one of the mods does support Russian bs. Of course, there are other mods who do give him the occasional ban so he calms down a bit.
I've said this elsewhere, but if you're angry about what's happening in Gaza, you really don't want 'friends' like that supporting your cause. One spoilt apple ruins the bunch. It's like if you run a children's hospital that accepts donations from Gary Glitter.
Yeah. That dude is either a Russian propagandist, or a right-wing MAGA troll.
They’re impossible to tell apart.
Lemmy.ml is only a tankie instance to someone that thinks Marxism=tankies
That said, at least one of the Worldnews mods is a pretty evident Pooh Poster.
They'll let people call out the more aggressive bullshit "America bad" rhetoric but if you even look at China funny you're going to eat a permaban.
There is nothing marxist about ml or other tankie places. They are just pure authoritarian brownnosers, and couldn't care less about actual socialism. Tankies are purely in it because they imagine they are going to be the ruling class after their imaginary "revolution", exactly the same way fascists are in it for.
Lemmy.ml is only a tankie instance to someone that thinks Marxism=tankies
lmao
but if you even look at China funny you're going to eat a permaban.
That sure sounds like classic tankie.
The ironic part is that all of the Marxist-Leninists on .ml are actually really bad when it comes to contemporary political science in my experience. They are way closer to anti-western ideologues considering their grasp on modern leftist theory seems tenuous at best. All they know is orthodox dogma and then a bunch of cold war nonsense which has nothing to do with leftist politics at all.
I don’t agree, but I did lol at “Pooh poster”
a tankie is someone who tends to support "militant opposition to capitalism", and a more modern online variation, which means "something like 'a self-proclaimed communist who indulges in conspiracy theories and whose rhetoric is largely performative.'
I use this definition. And it perfectly applies to a wide range of lemmy.ml users and moderators.
For those of you asking/ curious, the reason given was 'yellow peril'. Really? I guess my being asian and directly affected by the Chinese activities in the scs makes me somehow a threat to yellow people?
Same. I literally have family in China and therefore a real stake in Chinese society. Meanwhile a bunch of western tankies who have never been to China and don't speak the language hand down bans merely for me relaying conversations I've actually had with real Chinese people in their native language about Chinese history and politics.
It's simple racism to infantilise all Chinese people like this, believing they need a bunch of white saviors on the Internet to speak for them and guard their cultural chastity.
Did you know that if you support Ukraine, the tankies say that makes you racist against Asians? No joke , that’s what I was called. You see, they say, Russia is actually an Asian country.
This isn’t a joke and happened to me. And the people were really really cross with me.
Simpsons did it.
thanks for the heads up. I just unjoined all lemmy.ml communities, and blocked the instance. That sort of censorship is not a good thing.
Some of them came here from Reddit when chapo trap house got banned. Others are straight up BRICS propaganda accounts.
Ok what even the hell is BRICS at this point? It's geopolitical "stop trying to make Fetch happen!" by now, two of it's members are in active decline, one is at the edge of being a failed state, and the other two are about as actually committed to some kind of anti-western bloc as the average American prison is to respecting human rights.
Read the comments. Apparently some of their ilk are here too.
Good, that way it's easier to block them, no need to look for them elsewhere.
You see them all over the place.
ml is usually decent. Hexbear is where things go off the rails
The .ml stands for Marxist /Leninist.
Funny, communists always insist China isn't communist at all, so why would they care about it being criticized?
Because the only stance that tankies actually hold is "America bad", to the degree that anyone that is an opponent of America must automatically be good and must be supported at all costs
The communists who say China isn't communist aren't the ones that go to bat for them.
communists always insist China isn’t communist
I can think of at least 95M Communists who don't insist this.
But modern American leftists are increasingly in love with China, particularly with their HSR and Tech programs.
That's because the instance was ml. I regularly criticize them in world for their absurd actions.
just block the lemmy.ml instance and if you start to feel annoyed by the hexbear, block that one too. You will not notice any loss
Fuck the Chinese government.
You've been banned from lemmy.ml
Keep it civil mate. Be better. It's not the govt that is banning people here, but the individuals blinded by their tactics.
The Chinese government is responsible for creating a culture of censorship, don't tell me what to do.
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Let me guess, lemmy.ml?
Called it! Just checked the post.
Fuck CCP
I ran into something similar a couple days ago:
I wrote a comment critical of Chinas actions in Africa, which was silently deleted after it got traction. When I looked at the mod log, my comment was not listed. Checked back on my comment, checked the mod log from another machine. Nothing.
Just silently and covertly removed without any trace of who and why. Has me really suspicious
That tracks. China's (imperialist) abuse of Africa isn't the message they want out there. They frame it as win-win collaboration
Right. More like win and give up your sovereign right and decision making autonomy on all of the world bodies.
You mean the comment in technology@lemmy.world about "bootleg videos of Chinese foremen in in Africa" that shows in Modlog as being removed by mod for "Racist stereotyping"?
Yes, that one. I don’t mind so much the removal as the odd secretiveness I observed. Where are you seeing that correct mod log? When I tried looking at the reason the removal action was not in the log, which is what my main issue is/was. I even tried from my phone and computer to the same result
If I make an inappropriate comment (in the heat of the moment) in whatever community it’s totally fine if they remove it but I would at least like to know why.
Tankies have occupied the post!
Believe me. I've noticed.
Just ignore them. They open with ad hominem attacks, or myriad assumptions about age, account credibiltiy based on registration date, nationality vs ethnicity, political leanings, etc. and demand your response. Let them stew in their ignorant hate.
Got banned after calling out russian propaganda for being just that. Literally happened on my first or second day on lemmy.
Sorry about that mate. I don't think Lemmy sucks or anything. But I just hope it's not going down reddits unfettered moderator powers and getting banned without recourse. Kinda feels like it may be headed there.
I don’t think Lemmy sucks or anything.
This really doesn't have much to do with Lemmy. If you don't like what you see from a certain instance, go to an instance that defederates from that instance. That applies regardless of what software you use to access the Fediverse, Lemmy, kbin, whatever.
Its strange. When i first came on here i felt that shit was the same as there bc of this. Now? Idk man.... the big difference is the amount of sane voices on here that arent silenced but instead are prevalent. Thats why i dont like the advice of blocking the shitty instances. Young ppl are at risk of stumbling in early, and the trolls/shills need to be pushed back against.
Yes, I posted a ProPublica article about how the CCP uses organized crime to intimidate Chinese citizens abroad and got banned from the entire instance for it.
It gets juicer. Just read some of the comments here. These people need to touch grass or something.
Joke's on them. I've blocked them first.
I have accidentally responded to posts there but have since blocked the instance. Nothing good can come from engaging with them.
lemmy.ml? I don't part enough attention to the instances unless they're particularly horrible. But it they're subtly evil, like banning people with non-conformist views, they often slip under my radar.
You Have Been Banned For Breaking The Terms Of Service. Our Terms of Service Are Byzantine And Who Are We Kidding? Nobody Is Manually Administering This Shit. But That Means There's No Appeals Process. So Politely Fuck Off, We're Done Actually Soliciting Content From People. Now We Just Want You Rubes To Give Us Your Money.
Pretty much same as reddit, right?
I'm confused. Few months ago people were complaining the exact opposite for lemmy.world and to switch to lemmy.ml. Not China specifically, but dissenting views.
What was your account?
You should have a big bad luck or they got some mods. The number of straight racism towards asians and south Americans I saw in World news made me literally block the community months ago. It was exactly the same as the reddit counterpart.
My sentiments exactly. Power tripping mods and autobanning without recourse.
I had the opposite experience. Lemmy's World News is much less racist than Reddit's. So many articles about events in Asia, Africa, etc.
As I said, I blocked the community months ago, I dont doubt you, I really wish it changed and I'm wrong
lol, apparently I got a temp ban for "misinformation" over a comment saying that Russian-aligned forces at Debaltseve ignored the ceasefire that was agreed in Minsk II
In fairness though it was only a temp ban, and they've never removed anything else I've said (even in that specific thread)
Mine as flagged 'yellow peril'. Now bear in mind I'm asian and have a direct interest in the article and my comment. Maybe the automod just removes reported posts. But really? Yellow peril? Wtf is that even?
They use a lot of words like that or Sinophobia, orientalism, etc when the word they actually mean to use is wrongthink.
"Yellow peril" is a term describing a kind of racist propaganda that solidified in the 19th century, basically saying that either East Asia or specific parts of East Asia (China or Japan, most often) represents an existential threat to Europe / the West / white people / whatever else. Wikipedia has a page on it, though it sticks to the historical context and leaves more recent versions of the same general idea to other articles. That's not to say that you were doing it, though, just that it is an established term
What was the post?
No, but thanks for the heads up. Lemm.ee seems to be good about that, or I would've ruffled every feather in the book almost.
Well it's run By Estonians, of course they have good reason to dislike Russia.
Lemm.ee is? I didn't know that. You learn something new every day.
I wish the best for Estonia during these times. Such nice vibes from there.
Go ahead and try to say anything against Islam there and same result.
The Chinese government is downrite evil. I don't understand what mistakes needed to be made to allow a cartoon villain level of tyrannical human rights violating government to be put in place, and still exist.
well the souuth china sea is chinese so they might have mistaken you for a troll
lol
Nope. But I’m banned from climate for not liking that little climate girl.
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While I appreciate challenging my worldview, the issue with Lemmy.ml is the users who tend to uncritically accept Russian and Chinese propaganda, and many are very hostile to outside perspectives. If there were open and good faith discussion I think it would be of more value, but instead they just ban anyone with outside perspectives. This type of “discussion” has little to contribute to the broader community.
On this specific issue I really haven’t seen anything that challenges the idea that China is engaging in imperialism here. Do you have any recommended reading that challenges the western narrative?
Their comment is perfectly innocuous. Unless they require college level debate and citations for every comment, there's nothing wrong with it.
Criticizing a government for taking an imperial action should never be forbidden. And make no mistake, China's neighbors there certainly seem to feel like China is significantly overreaching.
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True. Shitlib gonna seething.
Amen. Down with the empire of evil crapitalism and greed galore.
If you got banned there, that's a good thing. China's not perfect. But its "criticism", is just a retranslation of agressive american propaganda and western chauvinism. All to brainwash the western people into imperialist warfare. It literally serves the US warmongers. We can see this even by the crazy comments here full of hate and demonization of Сhina born solely of the fact that the American ruling class feels threatened by China and is invested in vilifying it.. It's extremely annoying and it's fascism. I don't want this place to turn into a liberal shithole like reddit with "ChiNa BaD" circlejerk. I don't want this place to be filled with bots and idiots who are duped by them, and moderators deliberately promoting fake anti-China news like on reddit. Or censoring any information about China than contradicts the aggressive american narrative like on reddit. So, yea. If I were ml mod, I'd do the same thing.
Ah yes. Except I'm also Chinese. The only brainwashed ones here seem to be the paid CCP shills.
Well, all it means is that you're lib (unless you're lying, or just being a bot). Every country has people like you. Ready to betray their people and country and turn it into a colony of Western capital. But that doesn't mean you have the support of the people or represent the opinion of the majority of Chinese. Also- "if people don't agree with my anti-china takes and desire to favor the US, they get paid or spy". Typical point of brainwashed american fash who get paid by us rulling class. It's even funnier to hear after how much of an aggressive China-hater you are, whining about being banned. Ban fascists and provocateurs, it's normal. And with your comments you only prove it.
LOL you are such a fool. It’s irrelevant what you feel about manufactured ‘Western chauvinism’, the fact that that China and other countries are brutal authoritarian regimes is the problem. The people need to rise up and throw off their chains.
