meta lemmy cross-instances dissing

"I must preserve my echo chamber!"
- It depends. Defederation for good reasons is good, defederation for bad or false reasons is generally bad.
  As an example, having a strict and democratic defederation/federation policy has contributed to Hexbear having the most active trans community on Lemmy, and it's a good thing that there's an actively protected trans space free from bigotry.
  At the same time, defederating from instances for political reasons under the guise of other reasons is generally a bad thing.
  It's largely context dependent.
  
  Well that's definitely your own experience on federated platforms, but I wasn't speaking to that circumstance. I made a mastodon account and criticized our government's massive funding of Israel in spite of our lack of critical infrastructure and healthcare and got spammed with "Israel has a right to defend itself, and you 're a trumper if you think otherwise" type comments by people that post one response and then immediately block you. Which is laughable and couldn't be further from the truth. That is the perpetual echo chamber I was referring to from my personal experience.
  
  Are positive, liberal LGBT communities echo chambers
  Could be, especially if there aren't a multitude of sentiments there. That doesn't mean all sentiments must be present of course.
  Are they not allowed a collective space to hang out without having to explain themselves all the time
  I don't think anyone said they aren't allowed to have such a space.
  
  You're in an echo chamber if you curate your home feed to only show one opinion and then never change it; it doesn't matter what the opinion is
- HOW DARE YOU HAVE A MODERATELY DISSENTING VOICE, YOU LITERAL NAZI?!?!
- I'd like to come to your house and take a shit in your bed.
  
  There's moderation and there's making it into an echo chamber. Seems like a difference many don't understand.
  
  Hope you get the help you need 🙏
- It's ironically more about certain instances creating echo chambers through constant censorship.
  Imagine an instance full of Nazi's that only ever let's Nazi posts stick. Is this if any value, or would defederating improve the quality of your experience?
  
  You're talking about Exploding Heads, which has been defederated by pretty much everybody.

Why would someone who doesn't like blocking and de-federation like "federated platforms"?
- Yeah part of the point of this is that it’s not a free speech zone unless you want a free speech instance. I prefer a more curated against bigots experience. Others don’t. Still others prefer other forms of curation. Federation means we can all talk to each other as long as we stay within boundaries of what others will stay federated with.
  
  Exactly, it also means we can have different regions for different types of conversations, much like in the real world.

- Lemmy.ml is federated with the vast majority of major instances, moreso than others like Lemmy.world. What are you trying to say?
- Might be good to add an /s, considering how common that is on the anti-communist servers.
  
  Except it wasn't sarcastic
  
  yunno, on second thought, maybe i don't want to be using a social platform where communism is expressly the default stance
- Yeah but not by a user from ml

free speech also applies to lemmy servers. If the server doesn't agree with most of what's on your server, they can and should have the option to not associate with your server at all. This honestly sounds like a shit take elon would have made.

I defederated lemmy.world because I don't feel like hosting and re transmitting US propaganda.
- It is kinda surprising how much obvious propaganda makes it onto Lemmy, for example those memes that aren't really memes as much as "haha this opinion wrong"
  
  Lemmy itself is largely made up of Communists, Anarchists, and liberals fleeing Reddit.
  As a consequence, there's a lot of Communist agit-prop, and a lot of reflective panic on the hands of liberals.
  
  The cycle of a specific comm on world
  we only allow memes here
  points out posts that aren't memes
  stop asking us to follow our rules
  ¯(ツ)/¯
  
  This is a very political place, even compared to Reddit where there's a shitload of politics

I think there's benefit to blocking the particularly Nazi/pedo instances, but otherwise do wish we'd just all be able to federate together and share content for the most part.
- You'll just need to find an instance that federates with most instances. I think that's why I chose lemm.ee. A lot of them censored porn too which was lame.
  
  Me too!
  I can block instances myself instance admins, thank you very much.

lemmy world admins cracking down on posts they don't like with no accountability and arbitrarily changing their ToS after the fact to cover for it, but somehow the entirety of the factionalist weirdos who cling to the idea of a corpo-friendly Reddit clone are laying the blame on... other instances?
- Users are celebrating them for a learning moment so yeah then blaming others is on brand

I think it depends on what you disagree with. If one is promoting going after our neighbors, hunting them down and killing them? Yeah, defederate. If another is Meta trying to take over the federation. Yeah, I vote defederate. If one thinks Hawaiian pizza is a travesty and the other doesn't, hold your horses.

I tried like 4 different lemmy instances before settling on lemm.ee because it hasn't defederated from the socialists or "tankies". So I can participate.
This defederation fracturing lemmy really speaks to both self-censorship of allowable ideologies and also bad quality of admins and mods several servers.
If lemmy can't somehow federate communities separately from instances I don't see lemmy thriving.
- Lemmy is thriving enough. Self-sufficient instances like Hexbear are fine without large amounts of federation. I do see Lemmy.world running into issues in the future due to their strong Zionist slant and anti-Leftist stance, but the other major instances seem to be fine.
  
  And their desire to spin off their own version of lemmy in Java
  
  I do see Lemmy.world running into issues in the future
  I think lemmy.world is already pretty bad. To get away from their posts and comments I've considered joining hexbear, since you people honestly have the best content and most wholesome community and aren't federated with .world, but I also don't want to be completely isolated from the rest of the fediverse. However, I just noticed there are only 5 instances in hexbear's blocked instance list and plenty in the linked list. Maybe I didn't notice how all other instances started federating with hexbear again?
  I don't know what the "allowed" instance list means though.
  
  Yeah it is thriving, what I meant is that to have a chance to replace reddit, lemmy needs to find some technical solutions (moving / migrating / merging of communities) and somehow stop fracturing into islands.
  But maybe that age of the internet has passed and people are no longer willing because of trolls, bad faith actors, sock puppets, bots... and the increasing polarization of ideology and propaganda.
- Yes, I basically searched for which one is least likely to defederate from random shit.
  I'm prepared to traverse seas of horrors to bring home fresh memes every single day (except I sometimes skip alternating Tuesdays if I have to wait for too long to say hi to Reginald).
  
  I'm not sure what's going on in this comment but I like it
- Meh, that's kind of the point, no? Seems like it would be more jarring to only federate at the community level, as you either a) still have to interact with people from the unwanted instance or b) deal with randomly hidden comments from that instance. If the community dies because it's on an unpopular instance, well, that's the way it goes. Can always start up/join a community on another instance that's federated with yours.

Some places suck.
Some places suck, by design.
Reducing criticism of systemic problems to "just because you disagree" is dishonest... and indicative.
- "You censored me for my opinion"
  "What opinion was it?"
  "..."
  "What opinion was it Anakin?"
  
  sigh All because of woke! It's like you can't even be civilized and manifest destiny in peace anymore... sarcasm
  
  I see no problem with blocking users for their belief that I should be slaughtered over the sin of checks comments being born in the USA.
  And I see no problem blocking instances where they gather.

let people defederate idgaf

When Musk took over Twitter he allowed violent and extremist views to flood it without moderation.
That's the sort of community Lemmy would be if we didn't have the tools needed to keep it clean of harmful ideologies.
- You mean like Exploding Heads? I agree, fuck Nazis.
  
  When nazis start enforcing their ideology I will raise arms, until then your sentiment closely resembles the goal of propagandists on these sites: create division and cause violence.
- And those harmful ideologies are.?
  
  White Supremacy, Anti-immigrant, Anti-Trade, Anti-NATO, Anti-human-rights for LGBT, etc.

this is so true lmao.
mm yes federated media platform, surely i won't run into shitty people now
runs into shitty people:

In aggregate; 5 instances, less than 5 communities, and more than 69, nice, blocked users.
I don't mess around. I don't hesitate to block people who argue needlessly, make my experience less informational or less entertaining, troll, or disregard arguments made in foundational logic to push a point of view or 'win the argument'. Similarly my instance ignores downvotes and does not display them; as with most platforms which behave similarly to reddit; they simply do not work outside of your personal, local account, local instance, user-sorting context.
- My instance removed downvotes before we even launched federation. Also more instances preemptively defederated with us before that even happened because they were scared of the evil tankies (which is funny because a bunch of us are also anarchists).
  
  Libs and skill issues, lmao

🥱

Everyone likes dialectics and agree that it's the best method to learn and move the thinking forward... Until they actually met with some antithesis of their thinking.

That's why hexbear and blahaj are still federated, right? /s
- What are you on about? Hexbear and Blahaj are still federated.
  
  I wasn't aware they refederated, when did that happen?

Have yet to personally block any instances. So far I think the closest I've come is blocking a spider community because fuck those hell spawns and a Minecraft community or two.
Edit:
Found out there's more than I remember being blocked. Multiple mc communities, a cock community (, because that stuff ain't for me and I remember accidentally clicking on one post from there by accident), a pussy community because I don't come here for porn, a Sintendo community, some bikinibottomtwitter or something similarly named community (you can guess why), and for some reason an xbox community (couldn't tell you why).
Also, I noticed for some reason I have someone from a different instance that I cannot remember why I blocked. Some guy from lemmt(dot)tf, so I have absolutely no clue since I have no idea what that instance is like, let alone remember anything about that account.
- 🥺 not the spiders
  
  As an arachnophobe, I personally made it my mission to block that community without looking so I'd never have to see it again. Can't stand spiders.

Defederation is weak sauce. Just block/tag accounts that aren't willing to engage in good faith, and your page clears up pretty quickly.
At the end of the day, there aren't even that many people stirring the pot. They're just unhealthily active.

Rofl the Reddit eyes are perfect.
Also ... the last panel sounds like lemmyon.grab ...
- What does that means?

lol, true.

this is an explicit design feature of federation: free association. this is one of the primary reasons it is in theory better than something centralized. this post is layers of wrong.

womp womp

- Like lemmygrad seems to be some fascist propaganda and hexbear is the same
  Lemmygrad and Hexbear are Communists (as well as anarchists in the case of Hexbear), the polar opposite of fascism.
  
  They aren't like any other anarchist I know and I'm in a local anarchist group. Like no anarchist should ever be defending authoritarian governments.

Funny coming from an ml user because you are the guys who banned me because i commented something you didnt agree with
- OP is not a Lemmy.ml user, nor do users have the power to ban you. You're tilting at windmills.
- What did you get banned for?
  
  What did you get banned for mfer

yep, this is a lemmy.ml post alright