Mates, today without warning, the reddit royal navy attacked. I've been demoded by the admins.

This could not be any funnier. Please reddit, take legal control of the piracy subreddit, right as you take the experienced mod team out. I'm sure everything will go fantastic.
- Reddit will sure be a lovely site in a few months…
  
  May their shareholders weep.
  
  I'm sad to see what has happened to the community I've been a part of for the better part of my life.
- [removed by reddit]
- they're gonna love that sweet, sweet liability
- I had a good hearty laugh thanks to your comment.
- lol yeah

Haha what the fuck I really did NOT think they would do that to r/piracy of all things. Ah well fuck them and their shitty IPO. I‘m here with you guys for good, the structure of the fediverse suits our purposes and community better anyway.
- I would imagine that can lead to legal troubles endorsing r/piracy willingly?
  Accepting it is one thing, but forcing it to open is entirely different.
  
  I would imagine too, but who knows, there is a different set of rules for companies and the rich.
  Now that Reddit is asserting direct control over it, maybe they‘ll turn it into an anti-piracy sub to prevent any legal trouble.
  
  Well, they could just say: "We made a script to track every mod who closed their sub, revogate its mod permissions and notify all other mods in the sub with an automatic message", which basically frees them from any charges regarding community content.
  They could, however, be sued for not actively removing illegal content, such as pirated things and MAP related things (e.g. r/jailbait)
- Honestly it would probably be easy to force the sub to go dark again via ban by posting direct piracy links.

Well I guess its time to flood r/piracy with magnet links as soon as the new jannies open it.
- Also worth flooding them with ~~links~~ a map to where they can board the new ship where the 🏴‍☠️ flag still flies high.
  
  I'm constantly linking people to Lemmy communities when I'm posting. I'm deleting my account on the 30th but until then I'll shill for Fediverse
- Bonus points if they're Nintendo games!
- why magnet links in particular?
  
  I mean could be any link to copyright material but I generally grab magnet links so shrug

Not sure about the optics of Reddit force-reenabling a subreddit devoted to piracy LOL
- Coming soon: rebranding /r/piracy to "pirate cosplay"
  
  Nothing but pictures of John Oliver in maritime garb.
- r/piracy after the IPO: piracy is unethical as it is stealing from the poor (companies). This is a community to discuss how to stop piracy and become responsible and dutiful consumers.
  
  "dutiful consumers" kinda icks me lol

Obvious that this is automated and will be going out to all subs. They definitely wouldn't go to bat to keep a piracy sub open, unless they're even dumber than I thought.
- automated message, sure. But they demoded just me, which is obviously very exact.
  
  Yeah. Considering the other mod messaged you it definitely seems targeted
  
  Well, what lovely timing to abandon ship
  
  maybe things will (should?) get exciting over on /r/piracy
  
  An interesting point about this, is that previously when people would try to gain control over subs with inactive mods the admins would drag their feet as much as possible. (I'm part of a sub where it took almost a year via several requests for the group of new mods to gain ownership of the sub).
  But now some fee-fees got hurt and admins go nuclear and removes mods at lightspeed...
  
  btw can the other mods bring you back?
- That's what's most surprising to me

1: Funny we were all in here like two days ago saying "they'll probably be happy to have the piracy sub gone"
2: Any member of the existing mod team that helps them is a fucking scab
3: Everyone else has made a good point about some potential liability issues of reddit the corporation wresting control of the piracy subreddit into their own hands
4: There are so many layers of irony with a corporation saying people need to have access to the community that tells them how to commit copyright infringement and then forcing that information into the open despite what its caretakers wish.

If reddit decides to moderate the Piracy subreddit directly, does that mean that they'll be responsible to respond to DMCA requests? If so, that's going to be a shitshow all in itself.
- Oh shit, I didn't even notice what subreddit this was. Please PLEASE someone kick down their door (with legal actions) over this.
  
  Imagine fucking up that hard that pirates endorse DMCA
- They'll just put scab mods
- They are. That's why they're banning subs that are sharing links. R/piracy doesn't allow the sharing of direct links

Its an industrial lockout so classically you either organize and strike even harder or burn down the capitalist pigs factory.

So basically, according to Reddit, they own everything on Reddit. That means all the the CP, hate speech — and in this case, piracy — that are posted on Reddit are Reddit's responsibility. Bold strategy, cotton. They're basically waiving their net neutrality.
- That means all the the CP, hate speech — and in this case, piracy — that are posted on Reddit are Reddit’s responsibility.
  Of course not, from reddit's ToS: "By submitting Your Content to the Services, you represent and warrant that you have all rights, power, and authority necessary to grant the rights to Your Content contained within these Terms. Because you alone are responsible for Your Content, you may expose yourself to liability if you post or share Content without all necessary rights.
  You retain any ownership rights you have in Your Content, but you grant Reddit the following license to use that Content:
  When Your Content is created with or submitted to the Services, you grant us a worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, transferable, and sublicensable license to use, copy, modify, adapt, prepare derivative works of, distribute, store, perform, and display Your Content and any name, username, voice, or likeness provided in connection with Your Content in all media formats and channels now known or later developed anywhere in the world. This license includes the right for us to make Your Content available for syndication, broadcast, distribution, or publication by other companies, organizations, or individuals who partner with Reddit. You also agree that we may remove metadata associated with Your Content, and you irrevocably waive any claims and assertions of moral rights or attribution with respect to Your Content." --https://www.redditinc.com/policies/user-agreement-september-12-2021
  
  That's their TOS. Their actions recently — namely undeleting user posts and comments — run directly counter to their TOS. They're essentially claiming ownership of the user submitted content by doing that.
  
  It feels so nice to know most Lemmy instances will never shove that bullshit paragraph in Legalese in our faces.
  
  Does this, from a legal standpoint, absolve them of what is hosted on their servers? Especially when they just took steps to make sure it is open for bussiness?
- Except for Switch ROMs that's where they draw the line
  
  Nobody fucks with Nintendo, or The Mouse.

lol imagine being so desperate for the protest to come to an end that you are even targeting a community that engages in legally questionable activity.
I'm sure the process of determining what mods to DM was automated, but even so, it's still pretty funny to me.

Well, good thing that you prepared well in advance and have already built a nice alternative.
Reddit is done

That was enough to get me to officially sign up here.
- Yeah I just joined. Reddit is a sinking ship. Doubt it'll die but it's about to change a lot.

They went easy on you. Some overzealous mod permabanned my entire account for talking about Lemmy. Allegedly against their 'content guidelines'
- Your entire account would have to be admin level wouldn't it?
  
  Not sure mate. I've had a target on my back for the last couple of years I believe. I had a bunch of accounts at one stage for different purposes. I used to post a lot of long-form content: reviews, how-to tech guides etc etc and as a self preservation technique I kept each niche to a seperate account.
  Over the last 2 years I had one 11 year old account, one 8 year old account and another few fresher ones perma-banned with no reason given, or just the flimsiest excuse under the sun. I must have really pissed off one of the mods/ admins - they can track you by IP and browser info etc.

I reinvited you in case you care.
- cheers. Rejoined

I say transfer as much as you can over here, then nuke the sub completely. The source of knowledge are mostly here now and everything else can be rebuild. We are pirates, we don't yield easily and can survive anywhere.
- Mods can't nuke the sub, the only thing anyone can do is delete their own user content. However, even then reddit can probably restore it.
  
  I figured. If websites like unddit, ceddit, removeddit etc was able to recover deleted posts and comments, I'm sure the admins can do so too.
  But we're also a crafty bunch. There must be a way to destroy the sub where reddit can't restore it properly. Like how a user can mass edit their own comments/posts before deleting them, so when reddit restore them back they would only show the edits instead of the originals. Basically use reddit's own feature against them if we can.
  Even small thing like getting rid of the megathread and wiki would discourage people to go into the sub. It's information that people after, if we get rid of those then there's no point in going anymore. Slower death and a little anticlimactic that way though.
  
  And how funny would it be for a corpo like reddit to go out of their way to restore content designed to make piracy easier?

This should somehow be made known outside the fediverse, to bring more people away from reddit and to here
- please do share. I can only spread the word so much.
  
  I don't really have a following or anything but I'll try he he he

This bullshit made me nuke my 30k karma account. I hope lemmy won't die month later.
- That's literally impossible! An instance may go down, but it will stay cached.
  
  Okie, I'm absolute noob here. Right now I struggle to find night mode. :D

Yeah in the antiwork subreddit my comments are instantly shadowbanned, my old comments in other subs show up , reddit is in major emergency mode apparently.
Good
- Oh yea, is that up anywhere on here yet or not yet?
  
  !antiwork@lemmy.ml

So Reddit is forcing open a piracy sub. I wonder how potential investors would feel about that?
- This needs so much more noise! If only some of us were part of major news channels, more shareholders need to know now that reddit is in IPO process. It'll hurt bad.

r/wallstreetbets is probably preparing to short Reddit once they IPO 😂
- I would literally die of an ironeurysm ... yes that is an irony-aneurysm.
- The wsb army is mobilizing. That would be great to see.
- God that would be literally the funniest thing of all time 😂

I think this calls for the subreddit to get rm -rf /*'d so that reddit gets nothing.
- They have even been restoring deleted posts. Fuck reddit
  
  Hmm.... wouldn't restoring deliberately-user-deleted content directly break a bunch of "right to be forgotten"-style laws that Reddit's technically obliged to follow? (GDPR, some California laws, etc)?
- We should start posting link to pirated content, magnets and such just to push reddit into permanently close the subreddit.
  They took our ship, so we're gonna sink it.
  
  Scuttle her!
  
  Totk and tweet it to Nintendo 😄
  
  Set our ship aflame, then crash it to them? very crafty...

- I don't think this is the right strategy, I believe a video of u/spez crying like a little baby and begging people to come back would be hilarious and I'm tired of pretending it wouldn't.
  
  Reasonable.
- Me too, let's make this work
- Same, I’m all for growing this community and not looking back. Anything centralized is just waiting for some douche like u/spez to ruin it.
- Even if he did, his word means nothing and nothing will stop the enshittification of reddit even if he were removed as CEO. This is just where all big websites are going.

Ah yes, "please reopen the piracy sub so people can discuss piracy freely 🥺".
My bet is this is an automated message sent to big subreddits.

Oh thank God, i first thought that the reddit navy entered Lemmy. i don't care about what happens on reddit, in fact, i'e be happy if they'd harm it.
But: can't mods nuke the subreddit history before they're demoded?
- reddit will porobably undelete anything like that anyway
  
  Yes, but it would cause them extra work. Just say you volunteer to open up again and take the lead, then go for it 🤭
- There are two problems with this :
  Nuking all this valuable info will waste years and years of people trying to share their knowledge.
  Reddit will probably un-delete it.
  
  Isn't Reddit GDPR copliant? Because if they are, they can't simply undelete things without users' permission
  
  Tell everyone to come here while slowly deleting the content over time from multiple accounts. That should make it harder to restore. Oh and edit what you can instead of just deleting.
- Reddit will probably undelete the content. Some former reddit users have reported that all the posts they nuked out of existence was restore a couple days later without their consent.

Make sure you remove any and all bots created, and delete all the custom work you did. Reddit can probably restore it, but it'll take them time and effort to do so.
- They can restore the bot accounts, sure, but they can't restore the servers that run those bot accounts.
  
  god, I hope all of the community bots stop their bot from running for the protest.
  
  I like the way you think!

Wow, didn't figure they'd go so blatantly mask off this early on. They must be nervous.
Also dumb. Have they never dealt with pirates before? Cut off one head and two more grow to replace it. Good luck you shmucks.
- We'll just tell the pirates that what they're doing is wrong and they'll stop right? Right?

Pretty ironic text. It's in part because of the trust put in moderators that they feel the need to protest / protest following that obligation.
- They could care less unless it affects advertisers. I'm 90% sure they flipped it here because the shutdown for /r/piracy was linking over to dbzer0.
  They want to eliminate any potential competition, and /r/piracy is a pretty large subreddit.
  
  please say "couldn't care less"
  could means the opposite to what you intend

Lol, gtfo. Fuck that place anyway.

Fuck those Reddit punks, people can make a better piracy community in the fediverse.
- Hello how did you change the font on your username?
  
  My guess is fancy font generator and setting that as displayed name.
  
  I have used a Twitter(it work for any platform anyway) font editor you can search it at Google or whatever search engine you use.

Looks like I made the right decision to join Lemmy today. Reddit is a sinking ship
- The hole started its development as soon as old reddit was gone.

We'll build a better ship with a sturdier ram, 32 pounder cannons and free wenches and rum! Dbzer0 for captain, 2023
- Im here for the plexable wenches & torrents of rum!

I'd be surprised if the subreddit survives the IPO anyways
- It's fascinating that they would let the r/Piracy sub be forced back, you'd think that it would be in their interest to let it stay shut as long as possible and quietly close it.

fuck their IPO. Just move here

Look at them using the community and users as a shield and a bargaining chip.
- It's pathetic, really. They say it doesn't affect them but then they threaten and force people to reopen
  
  "We don't like that you're protesting against us shitting on our users, so think about the users, and stop protesting against us."
  
  Yup. I originally was just going to stop using reddit, but since they've been undeleting comments and forcing subs to reopen I also went out of my way to delete my 9 year comment, submission, and vote history, and will continue to monitor it and delete again if they try to restore it.

What the hell reddit? This is r/piracy, we've had backup plans on other platforms for ages. Of all the subs to forcibly reopen they do the one with the lowest chance of anyone going back? This has to just be a trial to see how forcibly reopening the front page subs is going to go when they do that.
- Good point, I doubt many other subs have escape plans. So yeah we'd be the first to jump ship. Not a good control group for an experiment.

So, is that an order to abandon ship?
- Those who fall behind get left behind. Nothing but flotsam and jetsam astern.

Move all the information here and run power delete suite on you reddit accounts while you still can with links to join-lemmy.org, I think that will hurt them quite a bit.
- I deleted all my comments/posts and they rolled them back :/
  
  Can't believe it. They're becoming real motherfuckers right now. They seem hell bent on getting that IPO.
  
  I wonder how legal that is, and if there's grounds for a class action
  
  I deleted everything, and I am still finding things that aren't listed in my post history or comment history anymore. They are not listed on my profile.
- I deleted my stuff yesterday. Today its all back. Im blown away!

Fuck reddit. Its jjst a platform and guess what, its nlt the only one 😅

First post on Lemmy thanks to this shit! Struggling to understand how a lot of it works still, but absolutely fuck this nonsense from Reddit
- As a user not running your own instance, it's very similar to Reddit.
- It's pretty straightforward really. Just be sure to branch out a bit and look at content from other instances - although, as a lemmy.world user you currently can't interact with beehaw.org.

Reddit proverbially taking their ball and going home lmao
- A Mod on the F1 sub was saying that Reddit Admins are threatening any subs that are closed by saying that any mods who are opposed to re-opening subs will be demoted with them being replaced with mods who are willing to co-operate.
  
  That's big - "The bearings will continue until moral improves" -energy.
- Lmao this is such a perfect analogy

Archive and delete is the only language those scurvy dogs speak.
- Or simply remove Rule 3
  
  Wouldn't the rules be irrelevant anyway if the sub is no longer properly moderated?
- They will simply restore the content.
  Users have reported they are restoring comments they deleted using Power Delete Suite.
  
  Edit your content, dont just delete

Reddit is fucked. I have a stash of memes to post when it’s time to brigade.
- Brigading is not going to benefit the fediverse or adoption in any way.
  Edit : I am very disappointed with those who downvoted this.

Why not just start allowing direct links to pirated content on the subreddit?
- Cause this website hoster is also legaly liable, and want to avoid the most risky stuff to happen here.
  (I mean, there is the fact it's an hoster, and remove most liability under certain extent and in certain context, but still)
  
  Not on the lemmy community, on the subreddit

Well here I am, screw Reddit. Didn't much like supporting the corporate greed and corruption anyway.
That pinned New Users Guide is a big help. Was a bit confused at first, but I think I get the instance and location thing now. It's actually pretty ingenious. Don't know if any of you are old enough to remember the BBS days when a bunch of them interconnected on FidoNet, reminds me of that. Very cool, like an old idea anew.
This instance (lemmy.dbzer0.com) seems to be in Germany and I'm in the USA so it can get pretty laggy on me. Need to find a USA instance. I tried signing up for lemmy.one and beehaw.org which are USA, but they have a vetting process where I had to fill in some questions and wait for a reply. That's kind of weird. Those are good ones right, non toxic? This one let me sign up instantly so in any case it should do for now, or later if not's too slow for me.
- Lemmy.one seems very non toxic.
  
  I just got my authorization for lemmy.one. It's close to me so it's super fast, was having real problems with the local instance here, not the operator's fault, just my relative location. Anyway I'm all set to browse the fediverse with Lemmy, reminds me of the old days of the internet, before everything was monetized. Reddit did me a favor by blowing me out.
  
  Same for Beehaw. They're working really hard to keep everything kind, to the point they defederated with communities with open sign ups that were sending lots of low-effort/mean/troll comments.
- Just run your own instance. If you can run a Plex server, you might have enough technical chop to run Lemmy in a spare computer somewhere in your closet.
- I'm on beehaw and they're great, the team is truly worried with the community and maintaining a non toxic place. They defederated with lemmy.world because of it, and they upset a few people, so keep that in mind (I just have a second account to stay around with the chill comunnitymies in .world)
  I also didn't gey any message letting me know I got in, so just try to log in after a few days and see if it goes through.

Glad I made it over here before the ship sank!

The high seas flow in different direction according to time. Tis but a scratch. Lemmy looks promising from first look.

IMO the option here would be to open the sub, but implement new rules.
Nowhere does it say the sub needs to be on topic. There are many off-topic subs out there (that news sub that's mostly porn, marijuanaenthusiasts).
From now on, only text posts containing a punchline to the joke "why did the chicken cross the road" are allowed.
- Like r/pics?
  
  Yeah I realized after posting it they started using that strategy. I really hope it works for them.
- Isn't it better to just tell everyone to come here?
  
  Reddit would definitely not let us make posts about that. If they go as far as hijaking moderators, do you think they won't go as far as ban anyone who mentioned lemmy?
- How would that ruin the subreddit though?
  
  That will be on the Tonight Show for sure, easy bait

Whatever happens rest assured that we will keep the community alive and well here!
- We appreciate your hard work! The word is gratitude. We gratitude your hard work!
- Here here mate

They are afraid. Gold, just means we need to keep working on making this community better. Stronger.

This is happening all over reddit.
Mods are posting all over the place saying "I have to bend over for the admins because if I don't they'll find someone else who will".
You do you but honestly I find this a bit weird. As an unpaid volunteer you don't have to do anything. Just resign. Reddit's not about to die but it's best days are in the past. I wouldn't want to be a part of the future of reddit.

I like this ship we building here. Lets make it good for sailing again bois.
- Ony pictures of Jack Sparrow looking sexy. Follow r/pics
- We'll build a better ship anyways, with free wenches and mead

Thanks for your sacrifice in the fight

Remaining mods should just do what r/pics has done. Change the subreddit's topic to posting sexy pictures of John Oliver.
The subreddit is open so you complied. Reddit didn't dictate that you keep or change any rules so changing the subreddit rules so that only posts about sexy John Oliver pictures are allowed would have the same effect as the blackout.
- How about posting pictures of Lemmy from motorhead as a pirate?
  On topic for piracy and a link to the new home for the community.
  
  There. I made a thing.
  
  what do you think the banner image is ;)