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The kind of dumbassery I've had to deal with this weekend both IRL and online. Someone kill me please.
The kind of dumbassery I've had to deal with this weekend both IRL and online. Someone kill me please.
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Please tell me that political compass memes aren’t going to be invading lemmy.
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IMO this one subverts the format, so it's all good.
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Apparently this person in the post has never heard of self defense. If killing someone is the only way to escape being raped, no you shouldn't be charged with murder as rape can fuck your whole entire life just as much as being charged for murder can, just in different ways.
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It makes no sense, even by the logic that killing is only justified to preserve life. The part where you die is the part where they kill you afterwards. No one is going to wait until they declare their intent to kill you before fighting back. You take whatever opportunity you have because you might not get another one.
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There are people in the world who believe no violence is justified ever, even in self defense, and they attack rape victims along with victims of other serious crimes, the military, etc. because they perceive people like that as threats to their insane ideology. They don't care about the hypocrisy of defending rapists and their ilk to do it. They care about holding back innocent people so that violence is never viewed in a positive light, and they do it at all costs.
True evil exists in this world and that is one of its many faces.
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Also there is no way to tell if you will or will not be murdered right after, so you should very much consider your life to be in danger and act accordingly.
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For some reason it feels weird to type it out but, I'd say, through no experience or research done on my part, if you can identify them in any way that risk goes up drastically.
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You seen the takes from Authright and AnCaps lately? Trying to get rid of single-party divorces, pro child-marriage, pro 'enforced monogamy'.
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This is true and scary. I would like to see polling to find out how people truly feel about the issue by political faction.
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@WiseThat@lemmy.ca's presentation is scary – no doubt purposefully so – but all it suggests is that some believe that contracts entered into within the purview of family law should be treated as contracts, and not be some handwavvy thing that cannot be understood or predicted upon until a court makes an arbitrary decision. I expect most see family law as something that has become a complete joke.
You don't have to enter into contracts. Having someone hold a gun to your back wouldn't satisfy a court's determination that you entered into a contract willfully. These are only applicable to people who actually want to be bound by such terms. No different than any other contract situation outside of the purview of family law, such as an agreement made between business partners.
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Enforced monogamy? I don't understand. Is it like making adultery a punishable offense?
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They're trying to go back in time on divorce law. Never dealt with divorce law, but my understanding is almost everywhere it's considered "no fault" now. But it used to be cheating/having sex outside the marriage would get you royally screwed in the divorce proceedings. That along with single party divorces being attached means both parties have to agree to the divorce. Basically there's been a lot of movement on trying to make it harder for women to leave...
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Tell me you identify more with a rapist than with their victim without actually saying that.
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Spicy nuanced take: the definition of rape has become a spectrum, encompassing violent, overwhelming force to nonviolent deception and everything in between. So the quoted statement can be correct in some scenarios, but wrong in others.
If you're the victim of a violent assailant, you can and should be able to use any amount of force necessary, up to including deadly force, to escape. But turning up and wasting some dude because he stealthed you last week is unquestionably murder.
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Self defense is a legal defense. That means the person claiming that they were acting in self defense is going to be doing that, at trial, in front of a jury. That means they have been charged with murder and the jury has to decide whether the defendant was acting reasonably when they killed them. What that means specifically, depends on jurisdiction.
They could also be guilty of a lesser crime than first degree murder. There are knowing, reckless, and acting under extreme duress versions of homicide in most places. All of which still carry jail time.
Having argued self defense in front of a jury, I think it should always be an option for them so long as it makes some kind of sense for the facts.
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Also in civilized countries, self defense is only valid if you've exhausted every possible opportunity to retreat.The idea of "stand your ground" laws in the US is widely to considered to contribute to a violent society rather than deter.
For example in Florida in an instance of road rage a man fired a gun at another vehicle. Since the victim has no obligation to retreat, and even had his own weapon, he simply returned fire. So there's a shootout in the middle of the street in broad daylight with innocent people around.
That stuff doesn't happen in safe societies.
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FWIW, self defense is typical a valid claim only when you are in direct and immediate danger, and that danger has to be death or grievous bodily harm. Danger or a potential harm at some nebulous time in the future--or danger at a period in the past--is not generally considered a valid reason for using lethal force. That's why women that murder their abusers often end up in prison; they typically kill their abuser when their abuser is asleep or otherwise incapacitated, rather than in the moment of being threatened or attacked. (Yes, I think that the law is wrong in that instance, given the dynamics of abusive relationships.)
Consult a lawyer for your state or province, because this shit varies from place to place.
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That's why women that murder their abusers often end up in prison; they typically kill their abuser when their abuser is asleep or otherwise incapacitated, rather than in the moment of being threatened or attacked. (Yes, I think that the law is wrong in that instance, given the dynamics of abusive relationships.)
Just... no. If you have the opportunity to kill someone while they're defenseless, you have the opportunity to leave.
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No, that's terrible. Also stealthing is by definition rape in many countries.
You're talking about forcibly (deception is force) impregnating women against their will, easily one of the most vile things you can do to somebody, as flippantly as you would selling a blender on Ebay. That 100% justifies murder
To insinuate otherwise is insane and immoral.
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Lmfao, let me tell you from a feminist perspective that there are absolutely men, especially from the right but sadly not exclusively, who wouldn't flinch at this, let alone wonder what the fuck.
This seems like a post for men to pat themselves on the back and pretend they can agree and sing kumbaya across party lines on this one, but the only thing you're bonding over is pretending misogyny doesn't exist (making you actively part perpetuating it).
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There are people from all walks of life that wouldn't. Doesn't mean the decent people from all sides abide by it. This thread alone shows there are at least some who care, and that's what's vitally important for rape victims and survivors, not petty political garbage.
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This thread alone shows there are at least some who care, and that’s what’s vitally important for rape victims and survivors
as a survivor - shut the fuck up, and don't dare use rape victims you clearly don't give a shit about (and who I guarantee never ever want to hear the phrase "not all men" or anything like it) as justification for you to feel better about excluding yourself from the problem you are obviously a part of.
This entire post and replies are nothing but a massive "not all men" circlejerk, entirely focused on making yourselves feel better via rape jokes and misogyny.
Go fuck yourself.
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I couldn't put my finger on why this post made me feel uncomfortable, until I read your comment, so thank you!
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like ngl sounds like somebody is defending future him’s right to rape and not fear for his life.
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Anyone got a mirror? Im getting a 504.
Edit: This shit is why you shouldn't trust gun grabbers.
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A lot of green box people say they're against the death penalty until they get mad at someone. I'm actually against it though so I agree with the tweet.
Edit: Not sure if the downvotes are coming from all the red box people ruining this platform who are pro death penalty or the green box people who think I'm against them.
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Do I spy a PCM? I reccommend you post it to the official PCM community on Lemmy: !pcm@lemmy.basedcount.com .
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