Kyle Rittenhouse's family plead for money as they face eviction
Kyle Rittenhouse's sister Faith is seeking $3,000 on a crowdfunding website in a bid to prevent the eviction of herself and her mother Wendy from their home, citing her "brother's unwillingness to provide or contribute to our family."
You do know that going to a protest with a rifle is a provocation, right?
FWIW I think it depends on intent. You could be showing up with a rifle in support of the protestors (which has happened, especially in 2020).
I think the 'left' should also step up their game and open carry, if they want to be taken more seriously by:
Some of those that work forces [1] Are the same that burn crosses
...but... we must not forget what may follow if they do, planning is also really important as well as having legal counsel and video footage of all interactions:
[1] Killing in the Name - Rage Against the Machine
I think if leftists started open carrying at protests we would either see way less harassment by police or literal civil war.
We'd see gun control.
Being a bit more forceful and agressive, in showing open carry, so that we may have a better chance of changing our systematicly broken system, will not be an easy feat to accomplish.
Great point, you are correct, the Black Panther Party also ran into that problem, where they had shoot outs with the police.
It would need a bit of planning, knowledge of the local laws, and live filming/documenting interactions with any law enforcement/groups/people.
In life, all good things come hard, but wisdom is the hardest to come by. – Lucille Ball
Nobody is gonna hit as hard as life, but it ain’t how hard you can hit. It’s how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. It’s how much you can take and keep moving forward. That’s how winning is done. – Rocky Balboa
Don’t pray for an easy life. Pray for the strength to endure a difficult one. – Bruce Lee
Wrong. It's an open carry state, there was nothing strange about it.
If it was such a "provocation", then why did nobody give a shit when he showed up, even though it was super obvious he was armed with a long rifle? How come he walked around for hours doing his thing (handing out water bottles, giving basic medical care to whoever asked (at least 8 people according to evidence and trial testimony), etc.), and literally nobody gave a shit, while he had that rifle on him the whole time?
Rosenbaum literally screamed "I'm going to kill you" at Rittenhouse, and for what? Because he put out Rosenbaum's dumpster fire.
Get real.
Fuck off fascist
Correcting false statements with known facts (it's so extra absurd because there is SO MUCH hard evidence!) is not fascism. It's not even political at all.
You're such a fascist defending loser.
It says a lot about you that caring about the truth makes someone a loser in your eyes.
I'll defend anyone against what I know to be lies about them. Their politics are completely irrelevant.
It's called having principles, and valuing them, instead of the narrative of an ideology that prioritizes its propagation over what's actually true.
Hey bud… how about you read this .
Actions speak louder than words, especially when those words are a teen talking big to his friends.
The fact is, nothing he did in Kenosha supports the claim that he wanted to kill anyone, period, and everything he did directly contradicts it. He showed zero aggression toward anyone, and his first response to aggression toward him was to RUN AWAY, every single time. Bottom line, none of the people who got shot would have gotten shot if they had let him run away.
ROFL…. “locker room talk” right? You apologists are fucking hilarious. Where I come from (America) this is called “Premeditated Murder.” And in any courtroom with an unbiased judge, he’d have been convicted on that alone.
'You can tell he planned to kill someone by the fact that he never showed aggression toward anyone, and his first response to unprovoked aggression toward him, all three times, was to run away'
lol
You can tell he planned to kill someone by the fact that he said this:
“Bro, I wish I had my f---ing AR. I'd start shooting rounds at them."
lol indeed.
I like how they're saying he never showed aggression to anyone despite showing up with a fucking rifle.
Right? The mental gymnastics are impressive to say the least.
Actions speak louder than words. He was around tons of looters (that's what the people he was talking about were doing, when he said that) that day. Why didn't he 'shoot rounds' at any of them, if that was his plan? He had all the opportunity in the world.
That's the question people making this argument can't answer honestly, because the only honest answer is that what he did directly contradicts what he said.
Arguing that he planned to do something that he literally didn't do, despite myriad opportunities, is just silly.
Actions speak louder.
Again… you apologists are fucking hilarious. Dude wanted to kill people. He killed people. No amount of hand waiving and excuses from you will change that.
It’s a fact. And it is easily proven via reality.
Yes, ok. But you're not providing a counterargument. These are all just feelings. It's possible he was there to kill people. It's also possible he saw what happened in Minneapolis when rioters set entire storefronts on fire a few weeks prior and was concerned about his community.
If he really wanted just to kill people he had lots more opportunities before he was being chased. The person you're responding too is just countering your arguments but all you have very charged feelings about the case which is understandable.
Kyle is a bad person who did something really stupid but it doesn't help to fight every person on details which have been disproven in court. The whole trial is available to watch online. Our side needs to do better and stay grounded in facts otherwise we just lose all credibility.
Sorry... are you under the bizarre impression that because it's legal to carry a gun, you can't provoke someone with it?
No, I'm contradicting the ridiculous argument that existing in public while armed, in an open carry state, is somehow, in and of itself, provocation.
No one is making that argument.
:/
I agree that Kyle is a bad person, Flying, but there is a lot of misinformation being spread around that makes our side look bad. I know it's an emotionally charged topic.
If Hitler rescues a dog he's still a bad person. But it doesn't help to mythologize characters through false narratives because it empowers them even further. Just my opinion. I'm not on team Kyle and I'm not a fascist (sad I have to state this last tag on Lemmy in case I get misconstrued).
And yet no one was making that argument.
Everyone is talking past each other in this thread. I understand, it's an emotionally charged topic.
Well, the guy I replied to who said:
I’m contradicting the ridiculous argument that existing in public while armed, in an open carry state, is somehow, in and of itself, provocation.
is certainly talking past everyone else since literally no one made that argument.
And then for some reason you criticized me for telling them that no one made that argument, despite that being a fact.
Yeah I think you're saying that --correct me if I'm wrong-- him
bringing the AR to the protests is an act of provocation
while the person you're arguing with said
open carry is not uncommon and no one felt provoked
At least that's how I read it. Maybe I'm wrong. I can see how both statements could be true to some extent. Many protesters were from out of state and possibly not familiar with the open carry laws in WI so it's possible they felt threatened immediately. I'm no longer living in the US, and I never lived in an open carry state, so the sight of an AR strapped to a kid would make me uncomfortable in that situation. However, I've also lived in the middle east were the sight of soldiers walking around not in uniform carrying semi automatic rifles was very common and that did not make me uncomfortable. So context is important.
Dude READ THIS and delete your dumb shit.
Actions speak louder than words, especially when those words are a teen talking big to his friends.
The fact is, nothing he did in Kenosha supports the claim that he wanted to kill anyone, period, and everything he did directly contradicts it. He showed zero aggression toward anyone, and his first response to aggression toward him was to RUN AWAY, every single time. Bottom line, none of the people who got shot would have gotten shot if they had let him run away.
Ahh… we’re doing the copypasta now?
Okay:
ROFL…. “locker room talk” right? You apologists are fucking hilarious. Where I come from- (America) this is called “Premeditated Murder.” And in any courtroom with an unbiased judge, he’d have been convicted on that alone.
'You can tell he planned to kill someone by the fact that he never showed aggression toward anyone, and his first response to unprovoked aggression toward him, all three times, was to run away'
lol
Again with the copypasta?
Did Kyle run away or not every time he was chased?
That’s entirely irrelevant to the fact that he brought a gun with the intent to kill people after he said that was exactly what he was going to do.
I get what you’re trying to do, but… Some rings don’t need a voice of reason.
Dude is a murderer. End of story.
the fact that he brought a gun with the intent to kill people
Literally not a fact. Even as just a hypothesis that that was his motive, every single bit of evidence (all the facts we have about what he did in Kenosha that day) contradicts the notion that he wanted to/intended to/planned to kill anyone. He literally did everything he could to avoid using his weapon, short of literally forfeiting his life to homicidal maniacs.
That's the reality.
I'm sorry you're getting downvoted. I wish our side (I'm a full on leftie and I don't like conservatives) did a better job of countering arguments instead of using emotionally charged language in debates and spreading misinformation. The whole trial is recorded and all the transcripts are available.
I wish Kyle had not shown up with a rifle to a charged and tense event, especially after what happened in Minneapolis in the prior weeks. There really isn't an excuse for a 17 year old to show up with an AR-15 to such a situation, even if it was perfectly legal. Yes, he bad better trigger impulse control than 99% of police officers, but a 17 year old should never be allowed in the first place. My argument is not a legal one, but an ethical one.
To me the fault lies in our society:
I could keep going but I'll stop.
Just to reiterate for Lemmy user base: I'm not on team Kyle; I'm on team facts and stop gun proliferation.