Btw

And the ones who install Arch on a MacBook need extra special therapy.
- I'm in this picture and I don't like it
  
  If you look at the usernames that picture is actually OC.
- ☺️i love my arch on my macbookpro from 2009 😂
  Was difficult to understand that I have to boot via legacy bios in order for the nvidia grafic to work.. But after installing grub2 via CDrom I had i done ✅ now I can boot any iso from using grub2 and don’t have to relay on CD rom anymore 🥳 Next will be a 2013 MacBookPro (with nvidia as well), as soon as my motor buys her m3 MacBookPro
  
  This reads like a copypasta
  
  allowing emojis on the internet was a fucking mistake ngl.
- What if i have Arch on my Desktop and Linux Mint on my MacBook?
  
  Endeavour on my desktop, and Fedora Silverblue on my MacBook - good combination!

Men?
- It's the meme format:
  "Men will literally (something) but not go to therapy"
  People who use it don't necessarily endorse the original view, but are making fun of it.
  
  I think their joke was that Thinkpad Arch users (at least online) have a strong correlation with trans women
  
  Oh don't worry I know - I was implying that there's a heavy correlation between Thinkpad Arch users and trans girls, at least online. See !unixsocks@lemmy.blahaj.zone

Then they put on the socks and become girls
- The amount of time and effort needed to go through an Arch installation and succeeding probably is more therapeutic than paying $100 for a session of therapy. It's enough to make them finally come out after all 🤷
- Legit I brought my first thigh highs and my T430s (now quite modded) within like 2 weeks of each other.

Who needs therapy when you have pacman?
- And yay
  
  And paru
- ILoveCandy

- By turn your life around you mean bought a new Think pad and put Arch on it, right?
  
  The ol' 360 life turnaround
- Honestly I thought I was doing good for my technical knowledge by playing with Linux and it has helped but there comes a point where I hit a plateau with that and now I just end up endlessly tweaking and just wasting time on it

I enjoy this activity too as a non binary person
- Wouldn't that be Gentoo?
  
  Except even Gentoo does binaries now (more than they used to).

Therapy is expensive, I'd have to make appointments, leave my home during my free time, talk about myself to someone, and probably won't help because my problems are external. No thanks.
Buying a new laptop and installing an OS is a relatively simple and inexpensive process that is actually rewarding.
- Therapy actually often helps with external problems too. If you tried another therapist every time you installed a distro, you might have found one that can solve your problems.
  
  Okay so multiply all the other problems I listed by how many therapists I have to try and no they can't solve my problems unless they're gonna buy me a house or pay off my debts or something so I can actually get ahead financially.
  
  Therapist-hoping, eh?
- Therapy is also other people, so no, just no.

I’m just gonna promote the benefits of therapy. I learned to love myself. I think this meme is about hating yourself, so I think it fits. Only semi-serious, no hate intended.
- I think it is more about rage control than about loving or hating oneself. Like stopping yourself from chucking the laptop halfway across the room when it doesn't boot because you misspelled a variable in a config file.
- Eh... I get the joke, but using Arch is about loving computing. All the other OSes have removed the human element of computing. Arch still lets you control and administer your computer, which is good fun for weirdos like me.
  
  Wait. Am I not allowed to mess with stuff, use the terminal, compile, and all those things in Mint!?
  Call the manager. I want my money back!
  
  you had me until "All"

While you were out chasing booty, I studied the bootloader. While you were partying, I mastered the fstab
- I got it

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM buys 3 more Thinkpads on eBay
- I can stop whenever I want. Buys a pallet of busted Thinkpad.
  
  Moar leik chrome books

Yeah because all we really need is something to focus our rage at.
- Focus the rage at something that is fixable. Good idea actually.
  
  i ironically think than i can better handle stress than my other friends because of grub breaking my sister's laptop(dual boot) at the worses moments possible, i learned to force me to stay calm to search and read correctly how fix grub before she realized

Can confirm

(throw all those neofetches at me)
- Does this still count?
  
  No, because you did not enable trim and firewalld by yourself. Also how dare you like Dracut? /s
  
  is that zsh? What theme?
- (yes sir)
- when you stop hating yourself
- Fetch is fetch
- I use a custom script to give me what I need

You should try gentoo as a therapy replacement next. It's basically the adult version of maintaining a long running Animal Crossing save.
Every morning I wake up, grab a coffee and update my system @world. Almost every day it goes without a hitch and I watch the system evaluate and resolve any incongruities that might emerge from updates by itself. Other times I might need to make a intervention in the dependencies to guide it to a resolution; but it's a small nudge in the right direction, like tweaking a miniature ship inside a bottle.
This is partially tongue in cheek but I unironically get a lot of joy out of administrating my PC: Having it completely customized and working exactly like I need it to.
- Fucking amateur. Linux from scratch
- Gentoo: the Tamagotchi Penguin
  
  Well, you do have to feed, er, update it at least every six months if you don't want to be left with an unholy mess to clean up.
- USE flags are so addictive...

Looks at M2 macbook running NixOS
Ok maybe I do need help.
- Someone was saying in a linux hate post yesterday that linux is not viable for beginners because it is not easy to install arch linux on a vm on their old macbook. Lmao
  
  My kid (not even a teenager) uses Linux daily. And not in a coy "he's using a chromebook" way. He's using full-blown NixOS on a laptop I set up for him. Could he have set it up? No, but he's a child. Has day to day use presented him with any difficulties whatsoever? Nope. He figured out gnome purely by instinct in a day. He goes between macos and windows and linux effortlessly, because he's a reasonably intelligent human being.
  But, yes, half the time the "linux is hard" crowd seem to be basing their evaluation on things you would rarely do on a mac or windows machine. These days, install Mint, Fedora, or, hell, even Nixos or Endeavor, choose the defaults, and you will very likely have a perfectly usable, intuitive system.
- A real linux installation or darwin-nix? If the former, what steps did you follow? 👀
  
  The real thing. https://github.com/tpwrules/nixos-apple-silicon/
  I wouldn't say it's something anyone can do (no graphical installer and updating is a bit manual) and it's all dependent on the Asahi folks, bless them, but it took me about 20 minutes, other than whipping up a machine-specific configuration.nix and home.nix (about 20 more minutes on either side of the installation). All of the instructions were clear, though I will warn that some of them are not well presented in that there are instructions that should be bullet points that are stuffed into paragraphs. Nothing remotely exotic though--that's all in the Asahi stuff that is wonderfully hidden from the view.

Arch users
LinuxFromScratch users

My right index finger still has an indent from using the clit-mouse to play Starcraft on a Thinkpad 25 years ago.

the aliens watching me for entertainment: oh no, he has installed gentoo and qubes, he is too far gone

I mean, if it helps why not! I honestly really do have a lot of fun tinkering with Linux, it's one of the big draws of the OS to me.
- Costs a lot less than therapy too.
- Because mumble mumble no Windows into your soul
  
  I don't like Windows. They leak a lot of air, they are expensive to replace, and you usually just end up covering them anyway.
  I also don't like the OS much either. lol

What if I do both?
- What, doing your therapist and arch installs?
- Gonna tell me you're gonna install grass on arch (btw) next.
  
  grass is on the AUR... https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/grass

Fuck that's relatable I bought one like 4 days ago and it just arrived :'D
- Congrats! What model ?
  
  T470p i5-7300hq
  It was sold as a t470 i5-7300u buut the PC itself had 470p written on it and the chip I saw when swapping the thermal paste matches the i5-7300hq

woman would take care for a literal horse instead of going to therapy. i don't see anything wrong there either.
just a horse is way more expensive, cannot be put aside for a week on vacations (could a notebook be put aside?) and one cannot make backups of horses or carry them with you when visiting friends. Horses are way more cute, though.
- or carry them with you when visiting friends.
  They might be able to carry you.
  
  I can't carry your trauma, Ma'am, but I can carry you!
  
  They probably dont want to
- calm down honey, it's a joke.
  
  That's no way to talk about my horse! Look how sad you've made him.
  
  calm down and see it as a joke. *ggg
  would make a nice tshirt =)

I am unsure, I feel like Google is watching me and selling my data to OP because I was only yesterday ogling a Thinkpad Yoga X1 precisely for this purpose.
- Get a refurb T14 for (relatively) nothing before going hardcore.

I feel like I need to get back into Gentoo just to add a lil spice to the horde of Arch users around here :P
Still gonna use Arch on my laptop, bytheway 😅

Unlike therapy, installing Arch on a Thinkpad works more often than not

And I'll do it again.

until their egg cracks and they put on the thigh highs :P
- I don't think you need to be trans to have a desire for the wonderful vascular benefits of stockings.
  
  oh for sure, but judging by unixsocks they seem to be correlated. At this point I'm considering "interested in Linux" to be One Of The Signs™️ lol
- I don't think egg jokes are healthy for the trans community homie
  
  prime directive's a psyop. Egg as a concept helped me and a lot of my friends find out who we are

But I need therapy after installed Arch

I tried going to a dominatrix but that just wasn't enough punishment.
- Was LFS a bit too much?
  
  Oh yes, Mommy! I've been a very naughty boy!

i installed LMDE on a used ThinkPad AND went to therapy btw
- That is the way

Yes, because not many other things can be considered both a symptom and a cure.

The voices in my head says "daily drive ParrotOS"

i own four xx20 series thinkpads. One of which has debian with i3wm, the other three dont have anything installed atm. Sue me ik.
xx20 series is the best tbh. The only thing maybe arguably better is x80 series, due to the more modern processors and actual features over the xx20 series. xx40
my w520 with an i7 2720qm or whatever the fuck is it is is genuinely better than any intel mobile cpu that isn't quad core. AND it's socketed.
looking for a cheap xx40s (or p it's whichever one is better i cant remember) just for the completion, as well as an xx80 just to have one with more modern hardware, but my xx20 is everything i'll need in a laptop tbh. I would also like to get an x220 at some point.
naming legend for anybody wondering.
x - model type, w, t, x, etc
x - the device type, 4, 5, 2, etc usually screen size related
n - device model? Release related.
n - 0, just the number zero, anything that isn't a zero is e waste im pretty sure.
- i've heard, but honestly, is there anything interesting about them other than the like 2% performance uplift? And the fact that batteries are only semi-compatible between them. I suppose they might be more power efficient? I have no clue, if you have any knowledge it would be appreciated.
  My w520 with 4 cores still smokes anything that isn't like 9th gen mobile in terms of multi core. Thanks intel very cool.

Upgrading the ram of my x240 is my therapy

I mean can thearopy give me a neofetch?

postin' from my 4th gen X1 Carbon running arch converted from antergos.
So what the ram is soldered, its 4lbs and still gets 7+ hours of battery life after 8 years of use.

Yes. You need to won in lottery if you want to go a therapy xD
- Just a friendly reminder there are therapists that work pro bono or for discounted rates. I'm paying $60/ session without insurance and it's an investment for my mental health, future relationships and career.

Btw, i use Artix.

So you're just going to call me out like that, huh?

        $ grep ^GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT /etc/default/grub
    GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="init=emacs -- -e doctor"
    $

honestly just start abusing drugs
- I simply do both
  It's not working

Damn I've done this stuff. Even installed Gentoo on Raspberry Pi 400 for no reason. Maybe I'm not taking the right meds?

- Arch isn't a hobby, it's a life style.
  /j

I've installed Antix on a R51. I'm kinda quirky like that.

Let's say I have an old ThinkPad..
Where does one start when trying Arch?
I used some Linux distros before and tinkered a little bit but I'm not too deep into Arch atm (but eager to get into it).
- I just followed the comfy arch install guide with some additions from the comments section on YouTube, and I had a working machine quickly.

- That's like going to a therapist and then finding out your therapist needs to go to therapy after treating you.
  
  To be fair she probably does.

... ooohh, that's not a terrible idea actually.
I've been buying old rigs and installing Proxmox, but this would work too I guess.

Incidentally:
which models are the best new old?
what are the best places to get them?
...asking for a friend.
- Old MacBook Airs make great Linux machines. EBay is a good place to look for them

Excuse me! I would never buy a thinkpad.
- Good, keep the prices low for the smart people who do.
  
  low prices
  On a Thinkpad!? Unless you're buying a last-generation one that's on clearance, that's a laugh.
- why not? They're sick laptops. Just don't buy the new ones, they're cringe.

- Transphobia is cringe
- or men who think they are a woman
  Such men don't exist. If they consistently think they're a woman, then they are a woman. At least in terms of gender, and asking about one's gender (or pronouns) is preferred to biological/legal sex.
- We don't do that here