Oh boy.
Oh boy.
Oh boy.
Thank you for not calling us LatinX, I've yet to meet a Latino who doesn't hate that.
I’ve never understood LatinX. Is it supposed to be a gender neural Latino/Latina? I’m only a Spanish beginner but I’m fairly sure Latino can be masculine and gender neutral.
"LatinX" was indeed the first attempt at a gender neutral description. "Latino" is still considered by many native speakers to be "neutral", but the most feasible solution I've seen popping up is the "latine" (as in "estudiante", "vigilante", etc). Since it uses an explicitly non-gendered suffix, it is more correctly inclusive than the "latino". It will take a while though, und until it is really widely adopted.
It was first seen in online queer activist circles around 2004. You can read a little about it here. Latino is traditionally masc/neutral but English style guides also said the same about “he” when referring to someone of unknown or unspecified gender for a long time, which has largely fallen out of use for singular “they” now.
Personally, I don’t use Latinx in writing to refer to all Latinos/Latinas as polling has shown only 2-3% of people readily identify with it. But I do think you absolutely should use it if that’s how someone personally identifies.
Am I the only one who reads LatinX as rhyming with larynx?
For some reason people get violently ill when they see someone use pronouns on the internet, so they came up with an alternative words so that their ideas match up with reality.
I'm not Latino, but I feel like that would annoy me. Latin@ as well. The language is gendered, trying to eliminate that is absurd.
I think it's a generational thing because I remember the @ being more widely used in the 90s, especially when the internet cafés were getting popular.
LatinEs
Guácala, no. Prefiero mil veces latinx.
A mi no me molesta, los de habla inglesa estan tratando de mejorar. Si algun latino lo dice en castellano ahi empiezan los problemas.
perdoname la mala autografia
A mí tampoco me molesta ni que lo digan en español. La verdad no entiendo todo este lío que parece provenir de algún tipo de orgullo antimalinchista. 🤷♂️
Digo, tenemos hasta un antro aquí a la vuelta que se llama Xico y en redes seguido lo escriben como Xicx porque su branding es inclusividad.
I'm a latinx who doesn't hate latinx while living in a latinx country. It's not popular, but we're here.
Gotta be a troll.
irish american
3/78ths irish. The fries you get at McDonalds are more irish than them
went to NYC with my (actual, County Cork) Irish friend. His deadpan "Oh yeah, where in Ireland are you from?" went over most people's heads.
I'm here to say something stupid as well. Happy dumbassing everyone!
I haven't seen a mouthbreathing comment section like this since I left reddit. This is incredible.
So far it isn’t as bad as I feared. It’s very early days though! I’m really keen to create a community where we can discuss any topic including contentious ones respectfully, rather than just avoiding posting anything that could bring out the trolls. I’m hoping the one-warning-then-you’re-banned rule will be sufficient to keep the worst at bay. Please report comments that break the rules if you see them to help keep this community an enjoyable place to be!
The colonizer is strong in this one.
Hush now, she just loves really hard.
I just know she wrote this while sipping a Starbucks and wearing big sunglasses while indoors.
Lol latinos, where the original colonizers g. Anglo-Saxon's only made it amore profitable venture.
Btw Latinos made it profitable but that was when we still where speaking Latin
People don't understand that if you make shit up you just get laughed at
That depends on what you make up. If you make up the right thing you'll get celebrated by other people who like to make things up.
Leave it to a white person to think they just get to use words however they want regardless of their actual definitions. SMH
OP isn't ignorant because they're white, they're ignorant because of the impact of their social economic class on their education, life experience, and world view.
Your comment opening with:
"Leave it to a white person to..." Is blatant racism.
Thats a good explanation. I'm saving that for future use. It seems easier to empathise with these people when you understand that they're a product of their environment and as much victims of the system as anybody else.
Yeah but it's the cool kind of racism that's allowed so it's okay!
If I can be racist against my very own (according to the 23 and me dealy i got for Christmas 4 years ago) kind, than you know what? Fine I'll take that. White people, especially Americans who feel the need to preamble that with some other European nation like it was an additional qualifying ethnicity, suck. I dislike them. It's like, ooh look at me I'm extra white. Fuck that. They are attention seeking children and a net negative for society.
The abscence of formal centralized definitions is kinda the bread and butter of the english language. All dictionaries are trying to describe how people use words, not what they mean.
It's not amorphous enough fit it to ever be ok for a white+ American girl to just say she's Latin because she feels like that's just a state of mind. Language does not work like that.
You know latinx was coined by actually queer/NB latinx people, right? It's not just a white people thing.
Right, but it is not and has not been used to describe queer white people. The OOP describes herself as Irish American who identified as Latinx because she "loves hard", and that's not how anything works.
What in the white privilege is this horseshit?
If you know how to dance "salsa", "merengue" and "bolero" could be good llover...and apply for "latina".
Could be good rain?
Llover is "to rain" in spanish.
Lover, this keyboard wants be more smart than the writer.
I don't care if you're ethnically Asian or African or European. If you're born here or have spent a significant portion of your life here--to me--you're culturally latino.
Obviously, yes. Especially when you are a member of a dominant ethnic group, cosplaying at being "other" when you will never be involuntarily othered, and explaining your (entirely illegitimate) choice via racial stereotyping.
It is absolutely not the same as identifying as gay or trans or whatever other besieged minorities you are slyly pouring scorn on. People don't choose to get fucked over for who they are regardless of what they do. They are who they are and they're surrounded by desperately insecure fuckwits who can only make themselves feel better by making the lives of others worse.
Kudos to you for even replying, let alone in such a calm way! 🙌🏼
I refuse to let people's insecurities prevent me from being myself. All who oppose me shall know the apocalyptic hellstorm of my wrath. Those who would disparage me are the evil ones, and will always be. My enemy must be ripped from this world. I am what I know to be, and any who would doubt this doubt a true individual.
Bad faith arguments, bigotry and trolling are not acceptable in this community. Please read the rules in the sidebar before participating further. This is your warning.
Not to mention I think making the One Joke should be a bannable offense, personally
I feel triggered, not as a trans person, but as someone who enjoys humor
"This is my warning. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
My warning is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life. ..."
You know your One Joke doesn't get any more original if you swap out the attack helicopter, right?
One Joke.
Your account is fucking wierd. Like I want to say you're a troll, but it seems like you're just a narcissistic arsehole.
You were so close with your assumption but since I'm 'Murican(pew pew), I'd be classified as an Imperial Asshole.
OMB defines "Hispanic or Latino" as a person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin (also known as ethnicity).
If your family isn’t Latino and you don’t have live in a Spanish culture, you’re not Latino. You’re certainly not Latino because you “love hard”.
Hispanic is if you come from a country of spanish descent. Latino is if you come from a Latin American country. People from Brazil are latinos but not hispanic.
Half of my family is spanish speaking. My mom grew up bilingual, speaking Spanish at home with my grandma. I lived in Spanish-speaking countries in my twenties for a while and learned to speak spanish myself.
…I still never ever call myself Latino because I grew up in whitesville as a white kid. It never even occurred to me until I was older that I might technically be considered Latino. It just never really came up. The most I ever say is literally what I said in the first sentence. I really feel like deciding later in life to identify as Latino would be some weird kind of appropriation. I don’t look Latino, I didn’t experience anything like a Latino outside of visiting my family and being surrounded by Latinos.
I’ve come across people in very similar situations to me, who do identify as Latin and they explained to me that they decided later in life to start saying it. It just feels…wrong to me. Can you find out after living a super white existence that you may get to qualify as a minority group (in the context of living in the US, that is.) I say no.
I followed the link you used:
These standards generally reflect a social definition of race and ethnicity recognized in this country, and they do not conform to any biological, anthropological, or genetic criteria. . . . Persons who report themselves as Hispanic can be of any race and are identified as such in our data tables.
I thought the OP was ridiculous but apparently, if they genuinely identify with the culture then she might technically be correct.
So the definition of what "Latino" is comes from... the US institutions?
It's more complicated than that. Latinos in the US also have Native American blood (usually South American). They have a terrible history of persecution. Someone who's from Spain isn't "Latino".
Read it again.
Welcome to modern liberalism where nothing means anything.
Hurr durr, the world is black and white. Anything I don't like is modern [insert opposing political party].