This is the way

Fuck poachers, don't get me wrong, but fucking hell, I wish people had the same kind of energy when it came to billionaires, who are literally responsible for the deaths of millions of humans (by virtue of hoarding so many resources as well as creating and maintaining a system that relies on exploitation and suffering to benefit them and only them).
If only society cared about oppressed and marginalised people as much as it does about cute animals.
- Society doesn't care about cute or endangered animals. The rangers represent a minority.
  
  Society doesn’t care about cure or endangered animals
  That's bullshit.
  I'd agree that not enough people care, but significantly more people care about cute endangered animals than they do marginalised and oppressed human beings.
  It doesn't take a study to see the difference in attitudes and engagement (though studies have been done, feel free to invest your own time looking them up).
  The fact that you've responded to me to focus on the animals but not on the people my comment is actually about is a perfect illustration of my point.
- My man! (y)
- do you eat animals?
  
  Only rhino burgers or long cooked stews made from endangered animals
  
  Incredible. Even PITA migrated during the great Reddit exodus.
  
  Great rebuttal lmao
- Your attitude is the only real reason for any gun control in America.
  
  Yes - the rich and powerful don't want those they oppress and exploit to rise up against them.

I, for one, fully support this development.
- While I like the idea of every poacher being neutralised, I also understand that the "poach police" may intentionally/inadvertently kill innocents with their blanket immunity; plus many poachers may be poor af hired-guns that aren't the actual source or root cause for the market, and may not dent the trade at all... Hope I'm wrong.
  
  I also understand that the “poach police” may intentionally/inadvertently kill innocents with their blanket immunity;
  Is there any evidence that that has been happening? (This article is from 2017, and it mentions "more than 20" poachers being killed in 2015, but doesn't mention any non-poachers being killed, which it seems it would have, given it's talking about the downsides.)
  While I agree that taking the fight to the people financing the poaching, reducing the number of poachers - and providing a very clear disincentive for other "poor af" hired-guns to take up the mantle - could still help.
  Personally, I don't think any implied sanctity of human life extends to people who are killing endangered animals for profit.

We could reduce the numbers of Nazis like this as well. All in favour?
- Aye
- Have them poached for their horns and tusks? 🤔
  
  The lower horn of those Nazis is worthless, it barely counts as an aphrodisiac.
- This will go, just fine
  
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- What if I told you that's what the Nazis did to people they didn't like..
  
  Ohh wow you are very smart
  
  Oh were not simping for Nazis on Lemmy any time soon. Twitter is that way -->
  
  Then I'd laugh and dismiss you
  Here, watch:
  😄😂🤣
  
  Now compare the reasons why for not liking them
  
  They did breathe as well, what's your solution to that?

- Holy shit. Thanks for this counterpoint. I thought I was onboard with this and now I realize there's more to this issue. As always…
- “They were poaching. The whole village was.”
- Dude I genuinely thought this was satire at first seeing it's on the memes community. It's real? What the actual fuck?!

I did not expect so many upvoted poacher sympathizers in this thread. I am disappointed.
Poachers aren’t poor. They make assloads of money off their illegitimate trade. They have plenty of skills that could be put to profitable use elsewhere. They simply choose poaching because it is more profitable.
- Poachers need to be destroyed on sight.

If we don’t protect the planet, it will kill us.
See: recent orca war.
- I wasn't there to see them but I can imagine the star trek memes surrounding that were pretty quality
  
  Make a meme, the orcas are still trying to destroy boats!
- Orca what?
  
  Orcas have been attacking boats recently. Or it’s been reported more recently. Either way, they’re taking back their (wet) streets.
- see: the farming industry

I mean, this is not really a solution. Poachers don't do what they do because they're greedy and hate animals, they do it because they're poor and have often no other choice but to risk their lives to make a living, and they are probably getting something like 10$ per rhino horn. This is a systematic problem perpetually reinforced by the actual people we should be shooting: the millionaires who hire the poachers. They are the ones destroying the environment, exploiting animals and people and reselling those same rhino horns for ridiculous amounts of money on the black market.
- Then they should be stealing from the rich. Not killing endangered species.
  And at ~ $20000 USD/kg for African and ~400000 USD/kg for Asian, and them not taking the meat. Its definitely for profit and not survival.
  
  It's simple math, if you kill animals and get caught you get one maybe up to 10 years in prison. If you kill/steal from a millionaire you get lifetime of troubles and jail and possibly put your family in danger too.
- we should be shooting: the millionaires who hire the poachers
  Damn, I was looking forward to eating them. :(
  But you're entirely right. Obviously the poachers do the hunting, but there are people rich enough out there that put a price on rhinos to begin with, they are the real problem. They wouldn't be hunted if there was no incentive.
- Poachers don’t do what they do because they’re greedy and hate animals, they do it because they’re poor and have often no other choice but to risk their lives to make a living,
  Well, they're risking their lives, they're losing them in the gamble. No one owes you winning a gamble.
  This is a systematic problem perpetually reinforced by the actual people we should be shooting: the millionaires who hire the poachers
  Not saying we don't, I'm all in for shooting a millionaire myself; but that doesn't detract from still needing to kill the poachers: we can't leave the reservoires and wild habitats unguarded merely to kill one or two twitter twats, so the job of millionaire killer we have to give to someone else.
- Nah, we of the working class and impoverished are partly responsible for the situation we're in, because we're too busy playing the system instead of fighting back like we were supposed to be doing. The result is this: people wiping out popular and beloved species just to get crumbs from their masters. How disgusting.
- ridiculous amounts of money on the black market
  Exactly. These aren't impoverished farmers doing what's necessary to live in some semblance of comfort. They're greedy SOBs who don't give a rip about anything other than riches. They don't deserve sympathy.

Begun, the rhino wars have

Ah, the Hogwarts Legacy approach
- Average Hogwarts student: Charms homework is so difficult, but later we're going to prank that annoying ravenclaw by putting slugs in his hat lol.
  HL Protagonist: If I can group these goblins and dark wizards together, I can kill a dozen of them with a single killing curse. Excellent!

Poacher poachers poaching the poachers?
- No, because they have a license to hunt poachers.
  
  [Bollywood version of James Bond theme song]
- Is this like the gramatically correct Buffalo-sentence?

- Poverty hardly justifies crime. It is a cause not a justification. They are still poachers doing illegal hunting for protected animal on protected land. Also poaching is rather lucrative, even if the government raises income 200% poaching will still stand out.
  
  Yes, no matter how rich you are, sleeping under a bridge is illegal and immoral ! Shoot on sight !
  
  yeah no if I can feed my starving family by killing some animal I would take that in a heartbeat. In contrast, if I can work in a factory and make enough to live decently I'm not going into the woods to try and kill something that can kill me back and risking getting into trouble with the law. Have fun in perfect actor land where you live though.
  
  Poverty does justify crimes. When you need to eat, killing a rhino not so bad.
  I hate this mentality where poverty crimes are evil but any rich guy destroying the lives of millions of people through financial schemes or to make a better profit are considered almost like good guys. This is completely fucked up.
  
  Hunting is perfectly normal and has been a key to human survival since the dawn of man. It's suddenly immoral because some capitalist country said so?
  Rethink what crime is.
- Honestly, this is the biggest thing that sets off my 👁 senses whenever some version of this post goes around. It squicks me out in the same way as the "Somali pirates OWNED" genre of content that was popular a while back. Stuff that encourages and socially conditions us us to cheer the killing of people who's have been brought to this point by hostile economic conditions.
- Yes, this is why financial crimes and financial crime laws don't exist in rich countries!! Oh...

This would become my full-time job if I ever became independently wealthy.

Reverse poacher rhino bbq birthing

I know a well-connected resort liaison in South Africa. This is what happens on game reserves with predators/scavengers, nature has a way of cleaning up the evidence.

It is important to note here how well-indoctrinated the US and Europe are to "point the finger" and absolve responsibility...
We don't refer to stuff as "deforestation," we call it "urban planning" or "development."
We don't talk about "poaching," we just accept that farmers and the agriculture industry finds natural predators inconvenient, so we allow them to kill off coyotes, foxes, mountain lions, etc.
We have just as many people doing similar, but for some reason we're only taught to lose our minds over conservation elsewhere, in the places where the US intentionally destabilizes (with Europe) to keep prices low for us. After all, it's what our economies are built upon: ruin everywhere, so we can call ourselves the heroes for killing off indigenous folks to areas just for the crime of living and wanting things to feel fair.
Check yourself. This isn't "the way"
- Well, that's naive and misinformed. And also irrelevant; endangered species are too important to the environment for poor people to justify killing them off to buy food. Poor people have agency and therefore responsibility for their actions too. Your stance is both anti-environment and anti-working class.
  We can and should help the poor in ways that don't involve absolving them of responsibility for driving endangered species extinct.
  
  Well articulated. We can't absolve people of responsibility just because they are poor, unless we absolve them of all responsibity and treat them like children, and put the ones who have no caregivers in a foster care system. I'm fairly certain nobody wants that.
  Yes, I am aware poverty is not something you can just wish away, but they know what they're doing. Same as the people illegally cutting down forests in Eastern Europe. They're also poor but they're also assholes. They also have a penchant for shooting people who try to stop them. Pretty sure them rhino poachers would do bad stuff to anybody getting in their way as well.
- white good other bad
  
  That's exactly it: we're taught "white good; everyone/everything else bad" and it seeps into our conservation and environmentalism efforts, getting spun into a tizzy about what happens in the Amazon or Africa, but, telling-ly, not really having the same depth and strength of emotions for wildlife conservation at home.

Based

no, fuck murder.
Don't get me wrong, fuck poachers, but murder is never the solution, it just breeds escalated violence.
- Actually they tried the normal way, where they didn't shoot and asked the poachers to surrender / tried to arrest them. But the rangers would get shot and the animals would continue to get poached.
  Seeing this as a problem, a new executive order / law was passed allowing shoot at sight orders at national parks / protected zones.
  Poaching has reduced, the number of rangers getting shot has reduced. The number of poachers getting shot has reduced (they don't wanna fuck around anymore).
  Overall it has increased peace.
- Murder is bad, but humans are the problem. And humans being stupid chaotic creatures, it often devolves in to dirty things like killing. You can say all you want about right and wrong but this is a messy situation and this is the solution they have been forced in to using, after trying the peaceful method for years
- It's not murder, it's legal punishment. The poachers use gun violence against rangers, so it's a reasonable escalation.
  
  It clearly says “on sight”
  You don’t want to wait for them to shoot first, you just want to murder them.
  No society on earth considers shooting on sight to be legal punishment
- Endangered-animal lives are much more precious to me than humans-who-are-willing-to-murder-endangered-animals lives, so I disagree.
  
  I am more alluding to the risk of collateral
  
  What a great way to gun down any random civilian without proof of any wrongdoing. Just say they were poaching!
- That's a terrible and quite frankly untrue take

Could this method be used to reduce illegal homelessness too ?
- Oh wait, I saw your other comment, you're doing a satire. Carry on.
  
  How do you know it's not the other one that is satire ?
  Maybe just say it out loud if you don't think the state should exterminate undesirables on sight. You know, just to be sure.
- Death penalty for being poor? Psychopath.
  
  For being unprofitable, which is even worse !
- Vile

Eco-fascists unite, huh?
How long do any of you idiots upvoting this think it'll be until these (so-called) "rangers" start selling rhino horn themselves? That is... if they haven't already and this is really just them clearing out the competition?
- You're telling on yourself with all that projection...
  
  No. You are. This meme demonstrates how easily first-worlders will slavishly applaud fascist terrorism in the third-world as long as you wrap it up in green capitalism first.
  The only thing these privatised death-squads you call "rangers" are doing is waging unrestricted warfare on impoverished brown people while (at best) doing absolutely nothing to hinder the mass-slaughter of wild life or (at worst) simply monopolizing it for their own profit - but you get your "eco-friendly" revenge-porn in exchange, so everything's cool, right?
- Why would they do that I presume they like the rhinos because they are killing people on their behalf
  
  Corruption? Indian rangers are basically police. They're uniformed and armed, and apparently have orders to kill. ACAB
  I was in a car once when the driver accidentally went into a restricted forest area, and he just gave the guards a bribe to let us out without punishment. They're presumably better than the actual police generally, but in the tribal areas they can be just as bad.
  
  Think about the kind of person that would sign up to murder other people.
  You think they wouldn’t shoot an innocent person for fun?
  
  Yanks must like oil corporations - after all, they are killing people on their behalf.
- Yeah this is a fucking stupid take. I bet those native americans are just trying to dump oil on the land themselves.
- Protecting the environment by shooting back at people actively destroying it
  "Is this eco-fascism?"
  
  State power murdering overwhelmingly poor people for a crime that should be a fine at most.
  Yes, that is fascism.
  Can you give one single reason why this can't be handled with jail at most? They can't hunt from inside a jail.
  They HAVE to die?
  
  Killing poor people to take heat away from rich people is fascism. The heat is coming from people with eco interests. This is eco fascism.
  
  Oh look... somebody who thought Captain Planet cartoons were actually documentaries!
- Yeah we have this in South Africa and now some of the "rangers" as you say, are campaigning to sell rhino horn themselves to flood and devalue the market. They say it's all obtained ethically and all, or captured from the poachers, but I have my doubts.
  
  Pig is as pig does. There is no reason for doubts.
- Did you mean "eco-terrorism?"
  
  Nope.

Oh no, thin weapon dilivery* accidentally shipped to india instead of sending it to us school kids
i know it is wrong but i dont know how to fix it
- It's fixed with "delivery" and "I would rather discuss a wildly different topic".
- i know it is wrong but i dont know how to fix it
  Get off Lemmy and go back to your elementary school English class?

if you eat animals, your opinion isn't valid
- Ooh, gatekeeping for the omnivores and carnivores.
  Guess I'm glad that checks notes cats, dogs, owls, cheetahs, and most of the Animal Kingdom don't have thoughts that are valid?
  
  Idk, do they? I don't think vegans care about animals' opinions (that they don't have bc they're animals)
  This is about reducing unnecessary suffering. The animals you mentioned hunt out of necessity. We have alternatives that don't require hurting other beings.