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Girl, 13, gives birth after she was raped and denied abortion in Mississippi

www.theguardian.com Girl, 13, gives birth after she was raped and denied abortion in Mississippi

The nearest abortion clinic – in Chicago – was too far away and too expensive for her mother to provide her with the procedure

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This is what Republicans want for all of us.
If Republicans win the next election, they will institute a national abortion ban without exceptions for rape or incest.
If you want to stop this, the only way to do so is to vote for Biden. I really hope people understand this.
- What it's going to take is to vote in Biden, then whoever the Democrats run in 2028, 2032, 2036. Until enough of the Republican justices die in office that actual jurists can replace them.
- That's not the only way of stopping them.
  
  This is the way.
  
  It's not even a way to stop them.
  Biden has literally been president during this whole Roe v Wade overturning.
  It's so exhausting to see libs walk this line so close to being actual progressives, but not, all for their precious capitalism.
  You're never going to beat the system by playing within the rules it's set you, the house always wins.
  
  Okay. Outline a reasonable action Biden could have taken to prevent the ruling.
  
  He could have pushed to have it codified.
  He could have also pushed student loan forgiveness for all borrowers instead of the bullshit means testing that got it shut down.
  
  Without 60 votes in the Senate, shit, without 50, it codification of abortion rights wasn't happening. And he did push loan forgiveness, the Supreme Court shut that down.
  
  It got shut down because of the means testing he included. If he hadn't excluded some borrowers it would have gone through.
  
  Nope, it got shut down because the court ruled that it amounted to the executive appropriating money. Means testing is constitutional.
  
  It wasn't the means testing that shut it down, if anything it wouldn't have made it as far as it did without the means testing. As it is, people were already complaining that it was a giveaway to wealthy folks who don't need it. Take away the income limit and it would have less than zero chance of succeeding.
  The president has very little power over legislative decisions. Yes, he could have used the bully pulpit to advocate for abortion legislation, but it would have accomplished nothing.
- Why can't Biden do something to safeguard abortion in his current term?
  If he can't do something on his current term, why will he be able to do something on his next one?
  
  Biden doesn't have the authority to safeguard abortion. He had the authority to veto Congress. Biden would veto a nationwide abortion ban. Trump or any other Republican would not.
  Additionally, presidents appoint supreme Court justices in the event of a vacancy, or if Congress ever gets on board for expanding the court.. do we'd need a Democrat in office if we're ever going to reverse Dobbs.
  
  Can't he do it temporarily via executive order?
  
  No. It isn't in the scope of executive powers.
  If there was a national law protecting the right to abortion, he could use executive orders to enforce that. But that isn't the world we live in anymore.
  
  It would take an act of congress, and the D's don't have the votes. Shitty but true.
  
  Don't bother, he's from Lemmygrad and just wants to blame the Democrats for everything
  
  Dude, I'm not even from the US. My question is, in my opinion, an obvious one, at least to an outsider to the US political system. Why do you have to vote him again, when he's in power now?
  
  His presidential subscription needs to be re-upped every Summer Olympics
  
  Because presidents serve for a limited number of years.
  
  Of which he had 4 in total to do something about abortions, so I fail to see how that's an adequate answer
  
  Well that's different than what you asked before but ok. The president doesn't create new laws. That's the job of the legislature. Currently the republicans hold more seats in the house and in the senate there's 48 Dem, 49 Rep, and 3 Ind. So not likely to produce anything about abortion other than trying to ban it. It doesn't look like anyone else is going to be a real contender to run in Biden's place and anyone from the republican side would clearly be worse and would greenlight any anti-abortion bills that legislature would try to pass. So the obvious and adequate answer is that when Biden's term is up we are going to have to vote for him again because there are no better options and the legislature is not in a state that will work to protect pro-choice rights but is in a state where it could try to limit those rights. Also, Biden was sworn in on Jan 20th 2021 so he hasn't had 4 years yet.
  
  It’s a classic case of maintaining the status quo. He may not be able to codify abortion protection but he can at least stop the R’s from doing it.
  
  https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/10/14/liberalism-and-fascism-partners-in-crime/
  https://blacklikemao.medium.com/how-liberalism-helps-fascism-d4dbdcb199d9
  https://truthout.org/articles/fascism-is-possible-not-in-spite-of-liberal-capitalism-but-because-of-it/
  https://nyanarchist.wordpress.com/2019/01/23/scratch-a-liberal-a-fascist-bleeds-how-the-so-called-middle-class-has-enabled-oppression-for-centuries/
  
  Don't bother, he's from lemmy.world and just wants to blame the leftists for everything.
  
  Acktually… I think it’s lemm.ee
  
  Whatever you say, fash
  
  I probably agree with your stance on abortion over all. I also generally dislike ML Communists/Leninists for their cultish indoctrination and authoritarian tendencies. But you've been way off base with this reply and the previous one in this chain. And are only serving to make yourself look bad. Something that can and has happened to all of us sometimes. Step back, take a look around, and chill.
  
  Dude, these fuckers called me a fascist because I'm a liberal. You want to tell someone to chill, tell them.
  
  No one in this thread called you a fascist you little baby. Someone from a different country asked you an honest question and you turned it into a self-pity party.
  
  No one did. And even if they did that wasn't the only thing I was talking about. There are valid criticisms about all ideologies especially liberalism. I may not agree with the extremism and hypocrisy that they attack it with. But sometimes your enemies or people you just don't like do have a point. Separate yourself from the system and stop being offended for it.
  You aren't an ideology. You're more complex and more flexible than that. Just like other people. Sometimes we all forget that though. You started out attacking the messenger. Not the message. Yeah I think lemmygrad is a toxic place, and wouldn't associate with it. But, that had no real bearing on what the person said.
  
  https://kbin.social/m/news@lemmy.world/t/343213/-/comment/1636453
  Four links calling me a fascist. And I'm happy to analyze criticisms made in good faith, using the words of the person I'm talking to. Link-dumping ideological screeds against liberals from smug leftists who sit on their asses and declare that I'm the same as a Republican when I'm pushing for progress and they're just fantasizing about what would be possible if only everyone agreed with them? That, I am not open to.
- Voting is good, yes.
  So is protesting. We must use all the tools at our disposal, provided they are used to protect and support the most marginalized of our communities.

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