Saruman also blocks Rowan's military assistance to Gondor

Sure, saruman raped someone and has literally been committing fraud his entire life, but gandalf rides horses.
What's up with that?
Horses have four legs. I only have two.
Horses are weird.
- I don't remember galdalf aiding a genocide?
  
  He did from the perspective of the Orcs
  
  As relevant here as it is there
  
  I also don't remember him eating lizard legs on a barbecue stick.
  Weird that he committed neither of those sins within his literary journeys, right?

I'm getting really sick of this meme format. I get it, Trump is way worse than Biden, but that doesn't mean we can't acknowledge that they're both insanely old. We'll all try to toss Biden's corpse over the finish line a second time, but stop trying to gaslight us into thinking that electing an 81 year old is normal.
- It's possible to criticize Biden and be unhappy about his age without acting like him and trump are equally as bad, which a lot of "centrists" do to justify not voting. Those people are the ones being criticized in this post.
  
  Yep. Trump voters don't give a shit. They'll vote no matter what. The people pushing the idea of not voting out of protest or whatever aren't doing it honestly, at least not the first ones. The first ones are trying to get Trump elected. They might convince some fools to also push the same message without following the agenda.
  
  Yeah, but is anyone actually saying they're equally, "bad," or just that they're both too old for this? I've heard people say that both shouldn't be running but they'll vote for Biden, or that Trump is fine and Biden is senile and criminal and part of the cabal (or whatever they believe these days), but I've never heard anyone say, "both are too old, therefore they're equal and I won't vote for either." That seems like strawman meant to delegitimize criticism of Biden's age.
  
  I don't think I've ever seen anyone say they're equally bad. I've seen a shitload of memes like this one that imply it's widespread though.
  
  I am not a centrist by any strech of the imagination, but within a pretty slim margin of error just as bad as each other. What has biden even done in his term that is a net benefit.
- I'm getting tired of people going on and on about their ages as if it's something nobody noticed before. As if it's going to change the situation.
  A lot of Americans like voting for old fuddy duddies. You can't control how other people vote, you can only control how you will vote. Old people vote and young people tend not to. You aren't going change anything in a democratic process by not voting.
  
  86% of Americans think Biden is too old to be President. 62% of Americans think Trump is too old to be President. 59% of Americans think both are too old to be President. Most Americans, by a wide margin, do not like voting for, "old fuddy daddies."
  Very few people are saying, "don't vote," but most people are saying, "don't allow these men to run the country." This meme is either targeting a very niche person or creating a strawman for the majority of people by equating, "these men are too old," with, "these men are the same, don't vote."
  
  Old people vote and young people tend not to. You aren't going change anything in a democratic process by not voting.
  The presidential election isn't democratic. In fact, it's antidemocratic by design.
  With that said, you won't change anything voting between two conservatives either.
  
  What's the deal with this certainty that this is the result of people's will? I'm more inclined to beleive it is a systemic result of 'winner takes all' logic and the penetration of political and media institutions by bad actors.
- Do you honestly think that anything will convince the DNC to forward ANY candidate except the one that already beat cheetolini?
  I mean, I'm voting for blue despite my misgivings because I KNOW how dangerous twice impeached seditionists are to our democracy, but I am not doing it with enthusiasm.
  The DNC will never allow an actual progressive anywhere near the presidency.
  
  You know you can become a member of the DNC right? You know that you have representatives on the DNC you can contact, right? You know you have influence on the DNC if you actually choose to exercise it, right?
  
  But the DNC will also never change, if their actions have no consequences.
  If they can perpetually get away with "Well our candidate is not aspiring to be a second Putin", all that does is push the political spectrum further and further to the right, until the DNC will give you a Putin and the Republicans will give you a Mussolini.
- oh is that what this meme is about?
- Remember that any criticism of Biden, no matter how legitimate, is definitely pro-trump Russian propaganda. God forbid people don't just want to vote against something.
  At the end of the day, this is how it is. The system is absurdly broken. We couldn't possibly be here if it wasn't. The fact that they keep shoving Biden at us doesn't mean that we shouldn't choose him over the much more overt fascist Trump, but it also doesn't mean that we should accept him.
  No matter who's elected, everyone should fucking riot.
  
  If you really think that to be the case then democracy is already dead and Putin has won.
  
  Remember that any criticism of Biden, no matter how legitimate, is definitely pro-trump Russian propaganda. God forbid people don’t just want to vote against something.
  How the Fuck does that work, You are sauing that no one is alowed to have and air grevences of the PRESIDENT, or gosh even worse try to hold them accountable because "the other guy is Trump" Look I get it, I do not like trump either, but FFS grow up, not everyone who is complaining is pro-trump, not everything anti-biden or pro trump is russian. Trump is very much a home grown american thing, and you cannot start to adress the socital issues untill you accept that.
  Also Putin himself said he would perfer Biden... or are you going to twist yourself into knots about how that means he wants Trump
- You're not the target of the meme if you're able to understand that voting for Biden is a necessity.
  
  Its an extortion
- The vice presidential debate is more important than ever.
  
  No it's not, it's end of (or decline of) democracy vs current (shitty) state of democracy.
- As a Tolkien fan and someone who hates voting for octagenarians, this post triggers me more than I'd like to admit.
  Equating the upcoming election to this isn't a choice between Saruman and Gandalf, it's between Saruman and Sauron, but instead of picking either of those guys, you pick Aragorn, who Gandalf really likes.
  So what we should do, instead of voting for either, is ask ~~Gandalf~~ Bernie Sanders who he'd like to be president and vote for that guy.
  Also, the whole "line of kings is broken" portion of this joke feels way to close to an RFK Jr. joke for my taste. The man's insane.
  
  It really does bother me that so few are willing to recognize what a shitty president Biden has been.
  I mean, if you're a wage earner in half of the US states, Biden did jack shit to help you and you can still be legally paid $7 an hour, but he moved heaven and earth to make more money appear out of thin air for Israel, Ukraine, and other miscellaneous wars when he's already budgeted a trillion dollars for war.
  I don't understand why I shouldn't expect a progressive use the power of the presidency to make real positive change as hard as Trump used it to try and ban Muslims.
- was trump significantly worse? I mean his retoric was awful yes, and he was a mask off facist, but Biden has done almost nothing to undo what trump started, and in some cases has activly sped it up, the only difrence that I can see is that Biden talks more polite
- 🔬🎻
- I don't think I've seen anyone doing that, it's just a very easy choice. Deal with Biden after the guy who isn't losing his mind due to old age is out of the picture. At least Biden is under the control of his support staff.
  And learn what gaslighting is if you're so eager to use that annoying buzzword.
  
  Is the implication here that Trump isn't losing his mind due to old age? Motherfucker have you heard him speak??
  
  A) I was using gaslightimg in its more general sense of making someone question their sense of reality, in this case by making concerns about Biden's age seem silly or unfounded, even though they are very reasonable and shared by the majority of Americans. If you think it should only be used to describe the form of psychological abuse, fair enough, that is closer to the, "real," definition, but remember that both uses are colloquialisms, and, "gaslight," is and always has been a pop-psychology term, not a clinical one.
  B) Why the hell is it a good strategy to ignore Biden's age until after Trump is gone? 86% of the country thinks he's too old to be President. 73% of Democrats think he is too old to be President. In a functioning democracy, a real primary would have been held; Biden probably would have lost to a younger candidate, who probably would have gone on to beat Trump, since 62% of the country thinks he's too old to he President.
  As I said, if the alternative is Trump, we should all vote Biden and let the DNC Weekend at Bernie's him through another term. But running a candidate that 86% of Americans think isn't fit to be President is not a smart or reasonable strategy, it's an insane and unnecessary risk.

When did he forget he was called Gandalf?
You mean after he literally died trying to save the one being that could save middle earth?
- Sleepy Gandalf
  
  Let's go Ganon!
- "Gandalf? Yes, that was what they used to call me, Gandalf the Grey. That was my name. I am Gandalf the White, and I come back to you now at the turn of the tide."

MAKE ANGMAR GREAT AGAIN
- I mean we had literally 9 kings to provide strong leadership. MAGA!

Omg why is the president 406 years old wtf guys.

Fight the gerontocracy
- I was confused why the prefix wasn't just "gero" and now I'm going down an etymological rabbit hole.
  Did you make that word, or did someone else?
  It reminds me of Trotsky's description of a Kleptocracy.
  
  γέρων/gérōn as a noun means "old man" in Ancient Greek, and just "old" as an adjective; I imagine the -to- part probably comes from the form γέροντος/gérontos (singular genitive) or γερόντων/geróntōn (plural genitive) https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/γέρων#Ancient_Greek
  
  yes

OK but gandalf's been backing a genocide (of the orcs)
- I mean... if the orcs weren't illegally crossing the border.....
  
  Please stop arguing! WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE HOBBITS?!
- This turned out to be a pretty controversial comment? Don't worry guys I'm still voting for Gandalf

If we are running someone that old, can we please run Dumbledore? Fought against evil his entire adult life, took steps to make education available to all witches and wizards equally regardless of if you were pure blood or muggleborn, taught forgiveness and understood that people could change, for better and for worse. Also taught his students well enough to fend off a full-scale attack from a hoard of adult casters, giants, and a fucking lich without needing his intervention.
(yes, I am talking about Bernie... The only old fuck that is still worthy of holding office)
- Sorry the council of elders has chosen our candidates for us, and Dumbledore was sidelined for being just a little too socialist. Press is also no fan.
- One press photo of Dumbledore eating one of his beloved ear wax candies and he would be unvoteable.

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Rudy “Worm-Tongue” Giuliani

"[His voice was] low and melodious, its very sound an enchantment [...] it was a delight to hear the voice speaking, all that it said seemed wise and reasonable, and desire woke in them by swift agreement to seem wise themselves ... for those whom it conquered the spell endured while they were far away and ever they heard that soft voice whispering and urging them."

We would be in trouble if the orange stain was channeling Saruman.
- Would that make Putin Sauron?
- We would be in more trouble if Saruman used his voice of command to talk like trump
  "I know the best spells, Grumpy Gandalf is very very very jealous of my tower, it's a wonderful tower, Orthanc, very exclusive and I hold the only key."
  
  The ring of power will be mine probably next week, but definitely by easter
- He doesn't have the abilities, but they both wanted more power than they were given and it (hopefully) caused their downfall. They are destroyed by greed.

However they aren't our only choices we also have radagast ( RFK ) LOL

Don’t remember Gandalf supporting and funding a genocide.
- I'm beginning to believe that a large portion of this society doesn't actually see anything wrong with genocide, they just don't like the word and are content with telling themselves that the victims deserved it.
  Isreal and the US government know what they are doing, the killing is deliberate, it is the only viable explanation for things like the treatment of UNRWA and the clear targeting of civilians in Gaza and the West Bank. Claiming that these targets are somehow militants would be laughable if the consequences weren't so saturated with human blood.
  It's obvious to me that both parties would make the same choices here, party politics are only to blame here as far as they enabled themselves to be so throughly penetrated by foreign interests. Only real difference with Trumptard VS genocide Joe is that trump would be more transparent with his support for genocide.

"Biggie was fat"

Kinda tired seeing everyone comparing benevolent and pure hearted fictional characters with Biden with this dumb ass format.
Neither Yoda nor Gandalf used their position as a superpower to approve a genocide and play geopolitics.
Moreover, ignoring the fact that Gandalf isn't human and Yoda is an alien. For their respective "species" they are powerful people who aren't deathbed old. Biden is a walking talking mummy who can't form his own sentences, and Trump covers his geriatrics by talking exclusively in simple English.

Saruman:

Except in this case, one of them is activly aiding and supporting a genoicide, has done absolutly nothing to undo the damages done by the previous guy, acualy on many fronts increased his plans, including but not limited to the wall, the deportations, the kids in cages ECT, and has done next to nothing to punish the insurectionists.
There is no real significant material difrence betweent he 2 parties, nor between the 2 canidates,
- So this is why all need to bend for the dark one ane don't give any chance to retreat and correct the path.
  
  I mean if you could show me a material difrence in conditions that one has provided the other has not please do, but like, both of them to use your terms are "dark lords" that we are forced to bend the knee too, both parties are essentialy the same, and studies show no matter what we do it has statisticaly no effect on what happens. so please show me what option is the undo and chose the correct path option

Must've missed the part where Gandalf started 3 wars
- Well... depends on whose account of the War of the Ring you read:
  Eskov bases his novel on the premise that the Tolkien account is a "history written by the victors".[2][3] Mordor is home to an "amazing city of alchemists and poets, mechanics and astronomers, philosophers and physicians, the heart of the only civilization in Middle-earth to bet on rational knowledge and bravely pitch its barely adolescent technology against ancient magic", posing a threat to the war-mongering faction represented by Gandalf (whose attitude is described by Saruman as "crafting the Final Solution to the Mordorian problem") and the Elves.[2]
  (The Last Ringbearer)
  
  NOT CANNON ;)
- You miss a lot, I bet