all the marble statue twitter guys finding out all their idols were really really gay

Oops, I'll leave it since that's funnier

the saltine chapel

Sistine chapel was Michelangelo.

A sculptor who hated painting btw. Was basically kidnapped and forced to do it. Got paint in his eyes and almost went blind. Also probably closeted gay.

Yea that's what we ended up agreeing on, that and a lot of the Renaissance artists probably saw love and divinity as the same thing. To have a poor art history major in that room lol.

Ikr, his argument was 'oh it wasn't as severe in those days' (total horseshit) also something about pre-modern man seeing the world-universe as perfect, not just sacred, and by extension the human form. Idk about that neither, in those days pretty much just existing and being born was a sin, there's a gap between whatever he was arguing and real world shaping things imo. Whatever, too much religious exhilaration in an academic setting poisoned him.

Cast out because he saw God wasn't doing what God itself was preaching.

I've come to learn angels are actually just demons.

They are both just one in the same,

Talking bullshit for their own personal gains.

And "...if angles had fingers connected to strings,

Then we would be puppets, and love would be king.

War wouldn't be a word with any worth,

They made earth on hell instead of heaven on earth."

(Quote part is from Ancient Astronauts - Oblivion - The Poet Azeem is the lyricist.)

??? There's certainly a Satan-like figure (Ha-Satan) in the Bible, specifically in the Books of Job and Zechariah. Many Jews interpret that figure as a metaphor, like the "idea" of evil, not a fallen angel type dude, but Satan is definitely real and in the Bible.

I'm not too savvy with religious shit. What do you mean and do you have a source to link to?

Egh, the Romans did it...

Edit: the Romans made the notion that it's not gay if you're Dom, just to clarify

It varied hugely by city-state, but most were at least pretty OK with pederasty. A young boy having a sexual relationship with an adult man was seen as a pretty normal part of most educational/mentorship relationships. In the city-states where it was more frowned on, it was the "receiver" role that tended to be stigmatized, rather than the relationship as a whole. Hence all the references to eunuchs here: since they didn't have to worry about being emasculated, it tended to be a lot more acceptable. Adult men who preferred to bottom were definitely stigmatized in a lot of places, though.

Probably need more reading on this, pederasty feels like it would have been pretty common

yes, i actually know a trans lady that is wanting to write a book about trans history through a marxist lens, and a lot of societies were like this before industrialization and the spread of mercantilism. ive been helping her get into contact with people so she can touch on every region of the world, im mostly parroting what she has told to me. eunuchs (re: usually trans people) held an immense amount of power due to 'checking out' of inheritance, which was necessary for primitive accumulation and allowed bureaucracies and impartial judges to appear. to the point that eunuchs were THE people to please, and were given all sorts of things for free, like primitive hrt, food, money, surgeries, leniency for homosexuality in some homophobic societies, ability to create laws and solve marital and inheritance disputes, and so on

of course, im not saying alexander wasnt gay or bi, but that eunuchs were often trans

Didn't Alexander share a tent with his best friend Hephaestion though?

Yes and Hephaestion had died less than a year before Alexander. His body had to be physical pried away from Alexander because he wouldn't leave it for the entire day. He wept and didn't eat for three days after and had the doctor looking after Hephaestion hanged. He declared an empire wide period of mourning. They also both married daughters of Darius and Alexander hoped that a child who was related to the both of them would one day rule. You know ... normal heterosexual things.

Hephaestion's wikipedia page is where they put all the gay stuff since I guess it's too offensive to have in Alexander's.

With descriptions of them reading letters together

Fellas, is it gay to read correspondence with another bro?

Jokes aside, I think we should be careful applying the sexual and cultural standards of modern western culture across borders and time. For example, it's still very common in the middle east for men who are friends to hold hands while walking down the street. To us that's a sign of homosexuality, to them it's just bros being bros.

That all being said, taking a stance that any ancient Greek figure was straight as we know it is hilarious.

so thats a later thing in the catholic church, but you can also find people that referred to themselves as women or a 'third gender' in that context. some however were also forced because the catholic church is problematic. in this catholic idea, eunuchs are sexless and do not have sex, but this was obviously not the case in so many instances.

eunuchs also had various roles in different cultures. there was a jewish king for example that had a eunuch in his harem was implied to be treated as a woman as a result (re: fucked like a woman). theres also some theories that Puyi was in love with his 'eunuch', and they lived together after the revolution in China (was told this by chinese friends) and might have been a big part of why he was spared (no progeny)

According to Wikipedia there are four versions of the film lmao

Four versions of the film exist, the initial theatrical cut and three home video director's cuts: the "Director's Cut" in 2005, the "Final Cut" in 2007, and the "Ultimate Cut" in 2014.

To be honest I found out about it from this terrible movie well before I even learnt about ancient Greece in school. Made for some interesting questions to my history teacher years later lol.

The same things that are wrong with every other corporate social media platform.