Is there a more politically conservative part of the fediverse?
I'm a conservative. I don't mind the liberal stuff here. It's good to learn the other side, but I don't want a liberal echo chamber. I'd like to be more politically balanced in the fediverse. Is there any way I can do that?
The challenge will be finding an actual traditional conservative instance that isn't also a pro-Nazi fascist shithole.
Nope, it started much earlier. When they linked up with evangelical Christians.
holy shit, the jokes write themselves. it really is like 3 losers posting weird ass shit
"If A Leftist Guy Was With His Girlfriend And Called You A Toxic Male, What Would You Do?"
"I downvote every post that says 'climate change"
here is a nice post on !fatehate to emphasize their wonderful community of rational conservatives
"jabba the black"
The f***? What the hell is that racist garbage?
Also a bunch of transphobic shit, because of course.
aaaand another, i could go on
and another
Reality has a well known liberal bias. Stop trying to hide from reality.
No, the Internet as a whole has more liberals than conservatives, due to a variety of reason. In real life you are much more likely to met someone that is neutral or only slightly to either side. What exists here is literal echo chambers of liberal policy to the point the policy becomes unpalatable for most, that doesn't exist outside the internet.
that doesn't exist outside the internet.
Never been to any type of city, I see.
the Internet as a whole has more liberals than conservatives
Because Conservatives don't know how to use the internet or change the channel away from fox
No. The Internet just seems more liberally slanted because people are more liberally slanted overall. Conservatives rely on outdated voting principles to make it seem like they are more widely supported than they actually are. Things like first past the post, electoral college and gerrymandering. This is why you see republicans fighting to either keep the voting process the way it is, or to restrict voting in various ways.
Also, conservatives feel like the Internet is more slanted to the left because they are usually stuck in their little rural community echo chamber. Then come to the internet where they actually have to interact with people outside their local area, like cities and other countries.
It’s not even the internet. Conservatives are more likely to stick to existing stuff and not experiment much. Liberals do that.
This is why places like YouTube have a big conservative audience. Places like Lemmy will have a huge liberal audience
that doesn’t exist outside the internet.
It sure exists in the podcasts I listen to (real people talking, even if it gets delivered via internet) and books that I read. It exists in the conversations that I have with my social group irl. It existed like crazy at the Bernie campaign speech that I attended in Feb 2020. If you think Leftist / Social Democrats don't have real numbers, it's because you don't look for those groups to surround you.
I know it's scary to be in the real world outside of your conservative silo, but as you're seeing the lies your News agencies have been feeding you simply aren't true.
The Red states flipping blue, Texas going purple and the vast majority of Americans being in favor of roe v wade show that your world view of conservatism is not the majority belief in America.
Just a reminder that it isn't a left vs right conversation. It's working class vs ruling class.
You aren't bitter at leftists, you're bitter at the ideas that media companies use to keep you angry at leftists instead of oligarchs.
If you have to work, you're working class.
If you actually do hate certain types of people, then you need to work on yourself.
If you don't believe certain people need health care, then you need to work on yourself.
If you believe ultra wealthy (people making over $10mil in income annually) deserve more tax cuts, then you need to work on yourself.
If you don't believe that minimum wage should have parity with inflation, then you need to work on yourself.
Have some class solidarity.
EDIT: To all those downvotes... Ask yourself why you are downvoting me. (Now with 100% more sources)
Do you actually hate certain people? Really? But you're downvoting me? Work on yourself.
Do you actually believe you don't deserve health care? That others don't deserve health care? Seriously? Work on yourself.
Are you super wealthy (low percentage chance)? I'm saying uncomfortable things to you. But you can easily afford those taxes so maybe work on yourself.
Do you believe people working for minimum wage shouldn't be able to afford an apartment by themselves anywhere in the USA? Work on yourself.
Well said. I'm saving this.
I find it very weird how certain specific issues are assigned to a certain political leaning or more correct correct, how you are expected to believe a certain way in all topics depending on your voting history.
A couple examples are religion and abortion. What do these have to do with any political leaning in the US or any country for that matter? Our maybe the better question to ask is why do people think there is some universal law that dictates what side of the political spectrum you lie on based on certain beliefs that have nothing to do with politics?
That's the point. This liberal vs conservative isn't even working for the US. In an international community like Lemmy it's even worse, as what people from the US define as left and right does not work for western Europe for example. In Germany liberal in a modern sense is seen equal to neoliberal, what is democrats for US is right conservative for us, what is left in Europe is communism for the US and so on, you get it.
It may work for parties on a regional level, but for individuals, forget it.
The connection between conservatism and religion/abortion exists because of a well documented effort by Reagan era republicans to culturally connect them. Imo there is no underlying rationale besides "we will create and maintain moral wedge issues to keep religious voters on the hook", while they work on their true goals- the consolidation of wealth and power further into the oligarchy.
How can you be so obtuse?
The Republican Party is forcing their religious beliefs on everyone (abortion, gay rights, etc) on everyone, claiming the US is a Christian nation.
This is so important. In essence, politics should be about our view, and critically searching for those who best represent it (or the most important part of it at the current moment), not about a ‘team we root for’ and get our views from. I think too many people forget that.
I think it'll be tough to find that corner of it... I think I saw a conservative community on lemmy.world but the platforms original purpose was to get away from the big, controlling, capitalist social media platforms the likes of Twitter, Instagram, reddit, etc. Like mastodon, the largest part of the fediverse (I'm pretty sure), grew alot when twitter was brought by Elon, and more moved after he messed up the platform enough, saying they'll create their own platform where hate won't be allowed. It's kinda against it's nature to have much conservative-ness.
Not trying to be rude as based on how this sounds, you seem nice enough and not crazy, but places like mastodon are basically the left's version of "Truth social" where people are pretty ok with saying "I don't want those thoughts spread here" those thoughts they don't want are usually things like homophobia or transphobia, but those are fairly common on the right even if you don't share them.
It's an interesting thought and would probably be alittle healthier, but hey you're still here being able to provide that counter point of view
Anyone who votes for a party that supports racism, banning books, and trying to make it harder for people to vote is not "nice enough".
They are an evil piece of shit who is making the country a miserable place to live.
I agree with this but we aren't talking about castings votes here and I'm assuming OP is voting as if he is a sane person, but what are they supposed to do with the values they hold that don't align with liberalism?
I only vote republican when they have good views. I'd rather get rid of political parties and make people run on merit alone.
If you have only two choices and both are bad, you have to choose the lesser evil. The OP probably doesn't like the racism and stuff, but they dislike certain policies of the other party even more.
Also, “trying to make it harder for people to vote” is an interesting way to say “requiring people to bring their citizen ID when voting, like in any civilized country”.
You can be someone that's not inherently against capitalism and for free communications platforms. I think stuff like this is a good start for polycentric regulation, which I see as important for any type of a voluntary or anarchist future.
I'm sure prager would fund it if someone explained it to him
I don't think it's controversial to say that "conservative" in the context of US politics has been bifurcated. On the one hand, there are definitely traditional conservatives out there. On the other hand, the really loud ones tend to be far right edge lords who purposefully speak loudly about topics that are socially unacceptable. It's always based on a misunderstanding of free speech, too: people are generally free to say what they want, but they are not free from the consequences imposed by society based on what they say, especially when supporting harmful activities or straight violence. This is something Elon Musk really should learn about.
I'm all for open discourse with traditional conservatives, but I'm not about to sit idly by while Nazis return to the stage. There was a war and the outcome was pretty darned clear. So, I'd say it's a good example of bad apples ruining the bunch (though from what I have seen, the number ratio of Nazis vs traditional conservatives is sadly pretty high). I think it is an issue that will need to be fixed between conservatives, ultimately. Shutting down Nazis (again) seems quite acceptable to me, however.
the number of Nazis vs traditional conservatives is sadly pretty high
I think you mean ratio, not number.
Yes, and just edited. Thanks.
I think that's a very objective view of the landscape here. I hope it comes across as inviting as it is informative, to me at least.
To add, I think people here are a little less reactionary than on platforms like reddit. At least for the time being. I certainly want the whole of the civil society represented here including conservatives. Dialog will get us out of the divisive place we've come to. We share a lot more than we differ.
I understand how you feel, let me know if you find anything. I'm more left leaning myself, but I'm also not a fan of echo chambers and it gets pretty tiring and annoying seeing the same stuff over and over again. At the end of the day, I just wanna see an open, fair, and balanced discussion. The Fediverse is undeniably very left leaning currently, which is surprising to me since you'd think the anti-censorship design on paper would appeal more to people on the right who are against big tech and censorship, but I guess not? It's interesting.
The Fediverse is undeniably very left leaning currently, which is surprising to me since you’d think the anti-censorship design on paper would appeal more to people on the right who are against big tech and censorship, but I guess not? It’s interesting.
american conservatives care more about denying rights and liberties than anything else as evidenced by their leaders and publicly shared platforms; so if you believe that censorship has anything to do w it, you're not a conservative.
I mean honestly it's probably near impossible to discuss conservative politics online these days without the far right loonies invading, taking over and getting the place banned lol.
Also I wonder if conservatives would be put off lemmy given the political stance of its creators - even though that shouldn't matter being free and open and not controlled by any one person, you know how people are.
Why do you thknk it is, that those "far right loonies" feel welcome and comfortable in those "conservative" spaces?
If someone is “conservative” but not a Trump loving Q nut job, I’d argue that they have about the same in common with the Biden administration than many progressives online do. There is no overlap with the majority republicans party today. The concept of discussion is not compatible.
This is my issue as well. There is nothing inherently wrong with conservative politics, but most arguments I see about politics online are about highly charged topics instead of actual policy discussion. Lots of heated emotions from people whose easiest outlet is anger doesn't make for good conversations.
It often feels like we represent media interests and are arguing on behalf of whatever source we spend the most time immersed in.
Also I wonder if conservatives would be put off lemmy given the political stance of its creators - even though that shouldn't matter being free and open and not controlled by any one person, you know how people are.
I've already seen it happening with people on Reddit (they don't seem particularly conservative either) claiming that lemmy is "built and run by Tankies". Many of these people though are/were also scabs so take that as you will.
The Fediverse is undeniably very left leaning currently, which is surprising to me since you'd think the anti-censorship design on paper would appeal more to people on the right who are against big tech and censorship, but I guess not? It's interesting.
What a baffling take. I'm stunned that you managed to describe the exact opposite of reality. The left are against centralisation of power, especially in corporations... It's so absurd to suggest the left are fans of big tech. It's even more absurd to suggest the right are not. The right wing supports capitalism, and corporate monopoly is pretty much the goal of any capitalist business.
Also, censorship is utterly irrelevant to this discussion... apart from, i guess, social media execs having the power to silence people who hate them. Which are... most likely to be leftists...
Such a weird comment. I'm shook.
Being a conservative must be a discombobulating experience in the technological age. The conservative is attempting to prevent the progression of society and conserve what we currently have or even revert to a bygone era.
OP arrives at a brand new platform, a piece of technology that didn't exist a short while ago and requests a space to assemble people who don't like change.
Do you think that progress is a straight line?
Honestly? And I promise I'm not being sarcastic: Reddit and Twitter are still your home. But the same goes for centre-left liberals. It's not that you're conservative, it's that you're moderate.
Many of the recent arrivals to the fediverse (myself included) are here because we're fleeing the corporate internet. We feel strongly enough about it that we've thrown all our toys out of the pram, abandoning huge platforms to try build this new space. This kind of behaviour isn't exactly "centrist".
So this nascent lemmyverse has a wiiiiide breadth of political views but not as much in the middle because those folks are all still on the old platforms. Over here we have Nazis, hexbear and shitposts. And porn. It's still early days.
I’d like to be more politically balanced in the fediverse.
As shown by votes on abortion rights in states like Kansas, Michigan, etc, your views are in the minority. Media makes it seem like the country is split 50-50, but the only reason that appearance isn't turned on its head is low voter turnout.
I do hope you find a place where you feel comfortable, however. I think that's reasonable to strive for for all people regardless of their views.
Nah, man. If your views involve forcing the birth of a baby with spina-bifida or my wife carrying a dead fetus for three months or more, you can get fucked.
Also gerrymandering
Why make it a right vs left thing at all. Can't we just discuss things going on as they are without pigeonholing certain opinions as "right" and "left?"
I don't think x y z thing is true because I'm "on the left." I think it's true because it's my best understanding of reality, and that understanding of reality is generally described as "left." If you falsify my arguments, point flaws in my understanding, or present me with a set of premises that corroborates reality better, I'll align myself with that in a heartbeat. When you see something you disagree with, don't just think "oh that's leftism I don't agree with that," instead, try to figure out what you think the flaw is with it, and then offer that up in good faith. Worst case scenario, someone learns something.
I can appreciate opposing views, including conservative ones, if they are grounded in reason. In fact I welcome them .. they sharpen my own arguments and make me question my beliefs which is seldom a bad thing.
What I cannot accept is any argument based on a supernatural entity. If you want to make laws because your holy book tells you to then I'll do everything in my power to block you. You have the absolute right to follow your own beliefs but you have no right to force those beliefs on others.
You have a point there. I agree with a lot of views from the left even though I'm on the right.
Define "conservative"
Oh, and don’t forget about social safety nets that are part of the status quo but which they also don’t care about.
And social freedoms. Because fuck other's freedoms.
Also no human or personal rights. Everyone should be a slave except for the rich. And fuck your vacations.
And not really conserving status quo either but actively trying to make it shittier.
What I'd like it to mean - the belief that government intervention often hurts the people that it's meant to help, so should only be used in limited circumstances and be carefully designed.
It seems to mean white supremacy, misogyny, homophobia and xenophobia instead.
The idea that government intervention is bad puzzles me every time I encounter it. Government in a democracy should be "the people" and intervention could protect you in so many cases. Assuming you're from the US, from an outside perspective your job 'market' is utterly fucked. Because of cuts to the welfare system (which have been marketed with somewhat racist propaganda, see welfare queens), most people are forced to take highly unregulated, low-paying jobs (yes, plural) while rich people and big companies earn more and more. The government could intervene and make it harder for companies to exploit workers the way they're doing it right now.
Look at how it was 60 years ago. Single income, blue collar households could afford houses. Now double income academic households can't. And all that despite the huge technological progress we made. We need so much less manual labor than in the 1960s. Everything should be easier. For everyone.
That is because denying welfare to people who need it happens to line up perfectly with the beliefs of those groups you named. Neoliberalism didn't work out for the people, only people still voting for this shit are bigots and gullible morons.
That definition doesn't seem to fit the verb conserve or adjective conserving. If it's specifically about government, wouldn't it be better to use a term for that instead of the broad conservative? Slim Government?
Even the first part of your comment is some fairy tale rich people tell you so they can make more profit.
Conservatives spent two generations actively trying to make the government worse and less effective just so they can turn around and say "look how shitty this is!"
If you want to see where the conservatives moved to, go to scored.co. (formerly thedonald.win). The worst thing about them isn't limited to the unhinged garbage they spew, but that they are just such bores.
It's so awful in every way imaginable that it makes me appreciate what we have here even more.
you probably have to convince more people with those views to switch away from their other social media.
i suspect moderate conservative people are maybe more likely to stay with status quo/ monolithic / non-distributed services, so there won't be as many moving to a new looser open source thing.
like i bet linux / open source / foss users are a little bit more likely to be liberal or socialist (or DGAFs) - at least insofar as they're choosing on principles of ownership and user rights rather than affordability - its sort of linked-in to those licenses which inherently disempower the individual creator of the IP (vs say a patent) and empower the end users and people who want to reuse the IP in a different ways. That's basically a liberal ownership model vs a capitalist one - to grossly oversimply.
conservatives are maybe more likely to be buying proprietary services from microsoft, oracle, or amazon/google ( pay someone else to run your linux /postgres for you!), if they're happy eating all that shit from them, reddit is probably fine.
It depends on what you mean by conservative. If you're going by the American definition, then good luck as all of those have been mass defederated due to them nearly always turning into far right toxic harassment zones. If you are European though and go by their definition, you'll probably be fine. America leans very right by default. Democrats to a degree are skewed right wing at the very least economically.
This. Conservative in the US is basically extreme-right/fascism in the rest of the world. Even democrats would be considered right learning in say, Canada.
If you are the MAGA kind, you WILL need an echo chamber because nobody wants to interact with these anymore.
Normal, klassical conservative or "Republican party crazy level" racism and nazism?
Serious question: Wouldn’t you as a conservative who doesn’t want an echo chamber therefore NOT join a conservative community? Wouldn’t THAT put you in an echo chamber?
I want both liberal and conservative views. I'm not planning on leaving lemmy.
If you find that, let me know. My entire experience on platform after platform is that the internet is 80% messy, open conversational marketplace that tends to lean left, 19% conservative echo chamber, and 1% tight, closed door communities where “reasonable” conservatives live in denial of the world around them.
If you feel like you’re in a liberal echo chamber because you see trans people being talked about as real without anyone coming to shout it all down, then what you’re really looking for is the 19% and I’m sure you’ll find it.
I mean Im not conservative, but I hope you see the irony in the complete lack of empathy in your message
Not likely that there will be a conservative instance. Lemmys core principles are "left leaning" so that already lowers tolerance for the audience "the right" attracts. Every conservative instance eventually gets deleted and defederated because toxicity is baked into the idea. America's "left" is already right wing to the rest of the modern world, so going further than that is just... not great. You can hope for the "ENLIGHTENEDCENTRISTS" to try to keep a somewhat moderated instance but I wouldn't hold my breath.
I don't think that lemmy's principles are left leaning at all... Sure they're anti-authoritarian but being anti-authoritarian doesn't mean you're a leftist - George Orwell characterises this really well (mb)
But George Orwell was a leftist.
Check the "All" page on the big Lemmy instances, it's undoubtedly very left-leaning. This whole thread is a testament to that.
Right wingers are inherently authoritarian. Their ideology rests upon the belief that some people are just naturally better, and more suited to lead. Leftists have the capability for authoritarianism of course, but you're not gonna find a single view that coherently critiques power while also having hierarchy.
My politics lean very far to the left, but I don't want to be an echo chamber and it saddens me to see how little room for political dialogue there is on lemmy. The echo chamber is a big problem with reddit, and is even worse on Lemmy.
Exploding-heads is the only instance I'm aware of with a more right leaning/conservative base. It is more troll content than any real discussion of politics though.
"It is more troll content than any real discussion of politics though."
Yeah that's how the republicans discuss politic
Could you define "conservative" in terms of politics (presumably US)? For example, low taxes and small government? And/or anti abortion and pro religion? Anti gun safety legislation? Anti regulation?
Perhaps you're looking for the more contemporary definition of "conservative" that's come about since the Tea Party or MAGA movements started? Mostly focused on being against whatever liberals/progressive are for?
As others have mentioned I think there are a lot of spaces out there for the latter group. I'm not sure many exist for the former group.
None exist for the former group, you toe one of the other two lines completely or you can go fuck off, individual thought is sacrelige and nuance is dead.
I think by very nature of the Fediverse having somewhat leftist ideas baked into the design philosophy (decentralized, transparent, FOSS, and communal in design), that it gives the Fediverse an intrinsically left-leaning audience, so it may be harder to find a right-leaning community that isn't extreme right like some others have mentioned. In general, I'd say that the needle points significantly left-of-center on the Fediverse as a result.
With Threads possibly federating soon, it's possible that that may attract more conservative users to the Fediverse as a whole, which may foster the development of more conservative corners of the platform for those who want to venture outside of Meta's bounds. Though that mostly applies to the Mastodon/microblogging side of things, not so much the Lemmy/Kbin stuff. Though technically Mastodon and Lemmy are compatible, as well, so that may still bring more conservative spaces, as well. Time will tell on that.
I am yet to spot a conservative on Mastodon.
There are conservatives on Mastodon, but the rest of the Fediverse defederates the explicitly conservative instances. The big ones are Gab, Parler, and TruthSocial, which don't seem to federate with anybody at all. (I would advise against looking them up, because they have a rather high concentration of Nazis).
One could argue that decentralized, bottom up organization is essentially the structure of the modern evangelical movement.. It's also kinda the playbook for modern terrorism though.. ISIS, Timothy McVeigh, etc..
It would be nice to have moderate conservative voices in the mix but unfortunately that world just seems to be filled with mostly batshit crazy ideas that do more harm than good.
decentralized, bottom up organization is essentially the structure of
... life
Wait, I take a week off and threads federating is possible? What the hell?
Thats always been on the cards, on threads side. It was just a lot of instances were calling to preempt it by defederating beforehand.
Its been going on for much longer than a week
I'm confused. You are here and engaging, but you think it is an echo chamber? Echo chambers aren't really conducive to outside opinions. I'm here and definitely not a liberal, I'm a humanitarian.
As long as you don't see any person to the left of you as a Liberal, you'll find a decently diverse pool here!
Stick around, smell the flowers.
I don't want to be in this echo chamber, I want to me in my echo chamber
unfortunately for OP reality has a left-leaning bias.
Only the loudest voices tend to rise to the top of unmoderated social media. That doesn't lend itself to being a good forum for moderate discussion. You'll have to look elsewhere
The fediverse is what people make of it.
I think a balance of liberal to conservative discussions can be good for the general consensus. However, it usually ends in a screaming match. Liberals want change. Conservatives don't want change.
The best option for humanity is to have some change and not change things too quickly, but in order to reach that happy medium, we have to talk through it, apply critical thinking, and be able to listen and reflect when we receive new information.
It also doesn't help that the view of what Americans have on what is conservative and what Europe views as conservative is very different. American politics lean right by default, so when people tend to refer to conservatism in the US it is almost always referring to the far-right. If Joe Biden was a politician nearly anywhere in Western Europe, he would likely be seen at the very least as an economic conservative.
Joe Biden would probably be one of the more right wing members in the liberal party here (which is a right wing party). The US definitions of liberal and conservative are totally out of touch with the actual philosophical/ideological underpinnings of those terms.
then it must be specified if we already are aware that people will assume American conservative when they hear the word conservative. though, it's unlikely OP meant anything other than American conservatism, see buzz-words like "liberal echo chamber"
Conservatives also want to take away peoples rights, ban books, make it harder to vote, and hurt minorities.
I think political communities in general tend to get quite heated if a debate gets going and because it's unlikely people are going to change their mind it gets personal.
In some ways the left wing ones are worse for this - I have been accused in my time of being too left wing and too right wing, there's a lot of different splinter groups and factions.
Tbh I just avoid politics on Reddit, Lemmy and similar, unless it's just to share or comment on a news story maybe. I don't think it's the right format for reasonable conversation
I'm just going to say try making an account on the unilem.org instance, from there you'll be able to access all instances from the fediverse.
It's about as politically balanced as they get since they almost never defederate, it doesn't have very many communities though so you'll have to find those on other instances, by the way if a community from another instance doesn't appear in the one that you're in, go to the search bar in the communities tab and type ![community name]@[instance domain] and assuming that you typed it correctly it'll usually sync it and then you can subscribe to it.
Since unilem hasn't defederated any of the big instances you'll very likely have access to all communities on Lemmy.
Let me know if you do find a more moderate space, because yeah, it's very much an echo chamber on most Lemmy communities.
I might recommend checking out certain communities that tailor more to your hobbies rather than politics on here.
I don't think Fediverse should be divided according to political compass. Just start a community on any instance and find your people. I don't think you will face any censorship if the discussion is kept civilized.
I have heard few supposedly right wing instances were defederated, but I don't agree it happened because of their agenda. The true reason was an overall 4-chan like chaos and hatread.
Isn't that just a fancy way of saying "I want more lies, ignorance and hate sprinkled in"?
"More politically balanced" lol
It's sad that you're getting down voted for this, because you're absolutely right. These lemmy communities are already turning out to be a left-leaning echo chamber, this thread is a perfect example. Any opinion that differs from the left is blocked or downvoted or argued against endlessly.
OP asks a completely reasonable question in good faith, and hundreds of people come to attack him for thinking differently than they do.
People straight up mock him for no reason. The left loves to paint the right as being hateful, but I'm only seeing the left being hateful on here.
So anyone who doesn't subscribe to everything you believe in or agree with are liars, ignorant, and hateful? Discussions and debate can be healthy.
I recommend avoiding political communities in general. too many extremists on either side of the political spectrum.
Then I guess you should avoid most Lemmy instances too. They're already very political, and it feels more like a left-wing echo chamber every day.
I share your sentiment. Every now and then I see a conversation like this and it points to exploding heads or similar, but that's disappointing. I've actually checked it out and it's just 5-6 basement dwellers posting memes to their own communities without any interaction. That's not political right; that's just a bunch of losers. It's also sad that this is what the fediverse thinks right wing is.
It's not just the fediverse that thinks this of the right.
It’s also sad that this is what the fediverse thinks right wing is.
Taking the US as an example: if you look at how often conservative/republican politicians oppose hateful people like Trump you're going to find it... nearly doesn't happen at all. They stood together and supported him.
The problem actually isn't that someone like Trump can get into office or some harmful and bigoted policy can appear for consideration. The issue is that it gets supported, it gets tolerated.
At least in the US-y sense of left/right, I think this makes it fair to group those people together. I'll stop doing that when there's an apparent distinction.
What's a sensible political right space look like in your opinion? Because, in my view, self-identified conservatives on the internet tend to be the ones espousing hate and/or conspiracy theories while the more moderate ones don't use the label or stick to centrist if anything. At the very least, there is an image problem with conservatism online.
Maybe those conservative instances are disappointing because conservatism itself is disappointing?
Seems like conservatives mostly consist of denying reality, believing in conspiracy theories or working against human rights.
That’s not political right; that’s just a bunch of losers
well i mean,,, same thing
Right wingers sure are losers tho
Well, I reckon people invested in the status quo are less likely to be early adopters of new platforms, so other that you and me, there's not a lot of us here. And I've sworn off political-discussion communities, so you may have to be the one to start that community if it's something you want to see here on lemmy.
maybe exploding-heads.com? is that site still around?
I only know that on Lemmyverse, most of conservatives happily stays on reddit given most committed progressives migrated here. Or may be they go to squabblr, its owner says they are welcomed there.
There are many though, on mastodon-verse if you like twitter-esque experience. There are enough users and instances to hold meaningful conversations.
Thank you for asking this question. I've wanted to do the same, but didn't want to get dogpiled.
I don't even need something strictly conservative, just something not sooooo extremely aligned with Marx and nihilism.
nihilism
Wow.
Way to engage with the people around you.
Asshole.
exploding-heads :)
what
I think kbin is less leftist then Lemmy and you get the same content. I moderate https://kbin.social/m/Catholic and although it is relatively quiet, we do not get a lot of harassment from the left.
Conservative makes no sense. It's not changing for the sake of lot changing. Liberalism is the same, it's change for changes sake. Both are bad, you change when a policy is a reasonable improvement regardless if its status cuo or not.
Now, I don't know if lemmy is more European or not than reddit, but the left/right leaningness of the gut feeling policies people have, will be very different than what you might expect.
I would however suggest not looking for "your team" groups as that becomes like your local football team, which never leads to good policies. It's just hive mind.
Discuss policies and perhaps join groups like that.
I do not have any direct good suggestions however.
Conservative makes no sense. It’s not changing for the sake of lot changing.
I agree with this part completely.
Liberalism is the same, it’s change for changes sake.
Where is this coming from though?
Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, right to private property and equality before the law. — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism
It doesn't have anything to do with randomly changing stuff just for change's sake.
To be fair, we can look at the Wikipedia definition for conservatism too and see if there's a more charitable way to interpret it:
Conservatism is a cultural, social, and political philosophy that seeks to promote and to preserve traditional institutions, practices, and values. — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism
I'd say the answer is basically no: this is just an indirect way to say "appeal to tradition fallacy".
If you think about it in terms of species adaptation, then liberalism is what allows our society to integrate changes and conservatism is what helps maintain stability. We need both and in different proportions at different times to adapt to our constantly changing social and physical environment.
Unfortunately most of the more “conservative” instances became highly toxic and so most other instances have defederated with them.
funny how every time conservatives group up, their communities become so toxic, full of hate and conspiracies, that people have no choice but to cut ties lol
Woah, woah, there.... Telling all the trannies and colored folks to die is their protected free speech rights. How dare you cancel them.
It's because their political leader at the moment is a populist. They can't help but be a bunch of cunts. Monkey see money do kind of thing.
Have you seen all the comments on this thread?
Instead of answering the OPs question, 100+ people are just bashing him for thinking differently, saying stuff like "Well, why are you conservative in the first place? Conservatism is so stupid! People on the right are evil, monsters, etc."
This left wing echo chamber is already very hateful and against any differing opinions.
Instantly became toxic? I’m shocked, shocked I say!
Unsurprisingly
I think they would be more moderate if more moderate people would have opportunity to participate. Right now all of the non left instances or communities get too quickly defederated and deleted, so moderate people who would normally participate dont want to create na account on a completely defederated instance. The only thing you are left of there are some crazies.
The only way I heard of conservative communities here is from a post that is asking for defederation or deletion
Well, the conservatives in those communities could try being less horrible pieces of shit and not bring hate to minority spaces, but that's probably too much to ask
conservative spaces shouldn't need moderates to balance out their toxicity and crazy when left on their own, they simply shouldn't be toxic and crazy. why do they need their hand held? it gets defederated quickly because THEY always quickly turn their spaces into pure hate, and they choose to spread that. that's on them, not us.
I'm socially pretty left but a voluntarist and it feels pretty hostile. Even socially moderate or liberal cons will feel pretty bad. I'm just used to chillin' in left spaces so it's whatever.
I get what you’re saying. There’s a mindset in the fediverse that everyone on an instance is responsible for it. Even if the bad actors join later. The instance gets defederated but as a user it can be really hard to know if your instance is defederated.
It’s a deeply unpopular opinion and anyone who suggests that federation is simultaneously a huge advance and a big problem seems to get downvoted.
You’re right, ultimately instead of being exposed to a range of views some of which are challenging we’ll end up in little echo chambers.
We need more moderation and less defederation.