Way to go, guys!

Probably a similar initial response, but no Iraq War two years later. Which would make a... massive (and positive, in case that wasn't clear) change in the direction and concerns of American foreign policy.

Based on after-the-fact reports, it may never have happened.

Maybe that's just exposure to all the conspiracy theories, though, I dunno if he would have acted any differently than Bush did to the intelligence reports.

It's questionable if it'd have even happened had gore been at the desk, y'know, because he'd have probably actually read the imminent attack report about the plot before it happened.

Nixon deserves a mention there too.

Al Gore won the popular vote, but there was some sketchiness down in Florida. During a recount, Roger Stone rallied the troops (Brooks Brothers riot) which caused the counting to be stopped, due to threats of violence. Setting up the supreme Court to decide Bush won Florida.

I, personally sat out that election because I didn't like Al's wife, Tipper Gore. She led the charge in a bunch of manufactured outrage about obscenity in music. I was also a jaded, cynical gen-xer who'd been hearing the importance of voting as long as I could remember, but every election was just choosing between a douchbag and a turd sandwich.

Looking back on everything that happened after that election, it's insane to imagine how different things would be now if Gore had been in office instead of the criminal enterprise that we ended up with.

Gore was the watershed moment of the white left deciding no progress is allowed to happen unless it's by their hands and they get all the credit.

Nader fired up his campaign in swing states as an act of retaliation against Gore posing himself as the climate candidate.

That's it.

The Greens had a meltdown that the thing that usually happens to third parties in this country, that is having their platforms become the mainstream if they make enough noise, was happening to them, and they decided we're not allowed to make any progress on climate unless we do it through them so fuck Gore and fuck anyone who'd dare support that disgusting "mOdErAtE!"

Lmao, that's the epitome of something that sounds smart but is incredibly stupid when you think about it. Especially in response to this meme.

In FPTP not voting for the chosen democratic representative means one vote less is required for the conservative. It doesn't matter if that's because you added a vote for Democrats, or didn't vote at all. Same for voting 3rd party, it just ensures you get the candidate you want the least.

The end result is the same.

I think it would be fun if every person on Reddit and Lemmy accused of being a paid shill was actually a paid shill. Basically, Reddit and Lemmy would be huge job creators and wouldn't hurt anyone because everyone was shilling at each other for money.

Woah woah woah, you mean actually try to win votes through rational and humane policy and not merely the fact that he's running against a human piece of shit and is technically better? You mean that we should have someone with actual principles on the democratic ticket instead of someone nodding along and sending weapons to a genocidal government? Outrageous wow why do you love Trump so much

It's not that simple. Changing positions will probably polarize people to vote against him as much as it will win over votes to him.

Especially because those who are likely to withhold votes over this will probably demand the most drastic of actions before Biden passes their purity test.

Geopolitically it's a bad move on top of that as it ends the relationship with practicallythe only middle Eastern power we have as an ally.

The reproductions of that alone is certain to energize opposition to Biden in the far right.

While he may lose voters over his current inaction, taking action could easily lead to a net loss on election day.

Unfortunately what is best for a country geopolitically and what is morally right often don't agree with each other.

What's really terrifying, is that history repeats itself. The Weimar Republic of the 1920's was supportive of trans Rights as well, like America currently, it had the first trans health center, including the first governmental support for trans people Transvestitenschein

Then someone who had a huge gang of violent thugs took over power and all his enemies ended up dead or locked up.

You know those, "if you could go back and shoot Hitler before he came to power" thought experiments? But I would never condone violence...

EXACTLY.

Yes, I get it, things are shit. Innocent people and children are dying. You can and should be upset about that. But we don't have the luxury of taking our ball and going home. Even more people are going to get hurt if Biden doesn't win.

It's a myth that there isn't anything to vote for, only against. We have LGBT rights to vote for. Minority rights. Protecting vulnerable Americans. Stopping fascism.

Let my future kids and their kids call me a genocide supporters for voting for Biden. As long as they can identify as who they want and love who they want without any persecution, I'll accept the condemnation.

Roe got overturned with Biden in office, you really think your rights are safe with him in office? The SC will still be corrupt. The state you live in seems far more important

How is a trans person in America more important than a Palestinian?

If you're interested in convincing people to vote for Biden (which I think is the best option we'll have this election) then I would urge you to talk about the contributions he's made, and to stop telling people who don't want to vote for him that they're the reason the fascists might win. Even if it were true, telling them that will not convince anyone to vote for Biden.

It's also misguided to blame voters for not voting the way you want. If you want a vote, you have to convince the voter! Oh, is the voter too stupid or evil to understand that the candidate is the best? That's a candidate problem. It's literally how democracy works.

I’ll be voting biden

I think the issue is more rooted in people like you.

had me goin for a second.

the white left are still on about how not voting will totally teach the establishment their lesson this time.

I have never seen this. I think you are making it up.

The Mexican government would be quite vocally mad and file lawsuits but nothing would really come of it.

The cartels wouldn't care as long as the flow of guns and money from the north didn't stop.

(Looks at Weimar Republic) Oh Cmon dude, I think you knew this one was a parliament with proportional representation..

Canada has first past the post, comment clearly means parliamentary system with proportional representation based on the text.

One single country isn't a great example. Taking a look at both Europe and North America, the countries with parliamentary systems have seen how the growth of their far rights has been far slower than those with presidential systems (USA and France). Canada is also a rare example of a modern, Western parliamentary system where a two party system emerges naturally, as opposed to many opposite examples in Europe.

How do you tell a complicit fascist vote from a lesser of evils vote?

The answer is you can't.

I don't think that's right. At least most of the blame should go onto the party that refuses to govern, rigs elections against anyone who isn't their chosen meat puppet, and whose leader is supporting literal genocide. You can throw some of that shame down on the little people, but you're really wasting your time if that's where you're punching.

Wanting to change the system? Just vote blue isn't how you do it (I don't know how to do it, but voting blue obviously hasn't worked). The incentives are so weak for the dems to change, that I really don't even know how you can justify that second paragraph as reasonable. Voting doesn't make change, paying lobbyists does.

My cope is that maybe some of these elites stop losing their jobs when they fail election after election and we get someone new in there. But then these are Democrats, they don't learn ANYTHING ever, so that's all it is. Cope.

Both support genocide yes, though genocide is not the same as fascism even if the latter almost always does the former.

I think the most dissappointing is the current state of the Republican Party.

Seems like back in 2008, the Republican Party was a bit stubborn and stuck in the old days, but they were mostly harmless, like a grandpa who rattles his cane at “kids these days”. Endearing, but not crazy.

Then everything changed. They’ve gone full tilt crazy. They’ve actually managed to redeem 43 and make him look tame and competent (by comparison).

The nutter in me (what’s left of it, after /r/conspiracy got a cheeto mustache) is seriously starting to think that Reddits admiration of Ron Paul (that I very much got caught up in) was a practice run for some psyop astroturf shit that evolved into Trumps presidency.

I will hold my nose and vote against a dictatorship but

nd I will never again vote for Democrats.

so which is it?

We have more power to select our democratic candidate than you might think. The primaries in 2020 were our opportunity to select our democratic candidate. Far less people vote in primaries than they do in the general election. Biden won the primaries, so he got the Democratic nomination. If more people voted for primaries we could have a more progressive president. It just turns out that a smaller subset of our population gets to pick the Democratic nominee

Well, for me I actually quite like Biden. His Israel stance and protectionist economic policies are largely the only real policy positions he has that I disagree with him on, and he has done an exceptional job of accomplishing his stated policy goals within an extremely difficult and toxic political environment.

Here's some food for thought: The last time the democrats had a solid hold on the federal govt with a filibuster proof majority in congress, we got the affordable care act. Ever since that term, the dems have been hamstrung by the GOP and rogue DINOs like Manchin and Sinema.

I don't think there's any "controlled opposition" conspiracy. If there's a group to blame here the most, it's the American media for pretending that the reason dems don't get anything done is anything other than obstructionism and "both sides are bad hurr durr" rhetoric.

Biden won the primary by millions and millions of votes, will easily do so again this year, and his policies are (and always have been) square in the middle of the Democratic mainstream. Say what you want about him but he's clearly representative of Democratic voters.

Could focus on working on congressional campaign advocacy disallowing the President from near unlimited War Reserve Stockpile Allies – Israel (WRSA-I). Republicans are on pretending to be Anti-War doves yet all these protest are alienating them with their disgusting support for Hamass & antisemitic Houthis as well as being a nuisance to the public. Pretty sure there are a lot of people that would agree with this if they weren't being interrupted in traffic picking up their family or trying to get to work on time.

The post has a point. Trump cut funding to UNRWA opposes Two-State unlike Biden and Trump has mentioned deporting any immigrant that doesn't support Israel. Not to mention Democrats provided a slew of "young" candidates in 2020 yet most of the "left" went for an older candidate Bernie Sanders that now agrees with President Biden & that recognizes Ceasefires not offered by Hamas are a joke. So nobody to blame but themselves for the consolidation of one of the most Progressives Presidents in the modern era.

Don't get mad when your fellow advocates refuse or reject to participate in Democracy. Israel & Palestine is a complex issue that many of you were asleep at the wheel on. I tried to bring up the matter up for a vote for amending our party platform at our State Democrat convention this summer because polling showed Democrats supported Palestinians more than Israel but it was the "Leftist" members that voted down claiming it wasn't time to discuss it.

You were are missing in action with Ukraine as Russia tries to genocide them again. Hard to take you all serious especially when its fickle. President Biden is fighting to aid to Gaza as well as reduce the severity of fighting & working to release hostages that is great while wanting to support helping Ukraine. We are also trying to keep Africa safe & access to shipping food to them while antisemitic Houthis attack ships indiscriminately.

Lol and if you keep up with politics you'd see how many of the things he tried to do but got shot down by Republicans. Ex: Student Loan forgiveness

Does no entirely too much research

He let all the benefits of the Trump-Era COVID spending lapse. No more free testing. No more daily case tracking. Huge decline in public investment in vaccine development/distribution and mitigation of side-effects of innoculation. No further efforts to regulate against continued spread.

No more monthly child tax credits. Student debt collections have restarted. No national leadership on extending Medicaid to states. No Public Option. Less than 1% of outstanding federal student loans have been forgiven.

Meanwhile, tens of billions were released by the FDIC and Fed Reserve to stabilize Silicon Valley Bank, despite the bank being in blatant violation of a host of financial regulations.

No productive action on climate change. Increased drilling permits. Increased construction of new pipelines. Increased O&G traffic on the Mississippi, resulting in more spills and more contamination of waterways. A virtual standstill on advancements in domestic clean energy, in an era when highly efficient Molten Salt Reactors are being constructed in France, China, and India and wind/solar energy have dipped below liquid gas prices.

He's once again juiced the Pentagon/police budgets. Escalating conflicts in Syria. New war in Yemen. Hundreds of billions spent on Ukraine. Tens of billions more to ramp up military across the South Pacific. Still hasn't closed Gitmo. $7B stolen from the Afghan treasury, kicking off the worst hunger crisis in the world prior to the Gaza invasion.

No DC statehood. No restoration of the Voting Rights Act. No national law to protect a woman's right to health care during a miscarriage. No DOJ action on any of the above.

It took four fucking years to get Trump to trial on any of his 91 indictments. In the same time, Sam Bankman-Fried was arrested, tried, convicted, and has been in jail for a month.

wHy iSn’T bIdEn dOiNg aNyThInG fOr tHe lEfT???

Why indeed? Almost as though that's not his real constituency.