Trump: Civil War didn't need to happen, could have been "negotiated"

Oh, he meant the previous civil war.

Go on... how would you have negotiated the South out of slavery?

They'll sacrifice their lives for a person who is demonstrably the actual biggest loser in history, and he just gets more loser-y, folks, okay... If any of you are starting to have your memories fade, here's a quick refresher to read this morning and then copy and send to your aunt karen in Missouri.

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• 8 trillion + dollars added to the US debt in a single term
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At a campaign event in Iowa today, former President Donald Trump explained that the Civil War didn't have to happen. "So many mistakes were made," Trump said. "I think you could have negotiated that."

"This is something that could've been negotiated," he added. "…That was a tough one for our country…. Abraham Lincoln? If you negotiated it, you probably wouldn't even know who Abraham Lincoln was… That would've been okay…. I know it very well… I know the whole process that they went though. They just couldn't get along."

They couldn’t get along,..because one side wanted to keep all their slaves.

So I wonder what degree of slavery we'd have ended up with? A little? Almost as much? 50% slavery?

What a fucking idiot.

That's pretty much what Lincoln tried to do with his inaugural speech after several states had seceded already. He tried to talk them down and promised that the North would not interfere with their life heavy-handedly but that insurrection was too serious for him to ignore. And then they stormed Fort Sumter and forced his hand. He didn't even commit to the cause of abolishing slavery until the third year of the war.

I mean technically yes, the South could have negotiated a surrender any time they wanted.

It's frustrating that historically lost causes based on hatred, like the slavers of the Confederacy or any form of fascism, are never fully punished for what they do. Each time a war ends the history writers make thousands of exceptions for people who were clearly working for their own self interest at the cost of society.

Any time a right wing, conservative cause loses (which is all the time based on history) they need to be burned bad: take away their money and livelihoods and make them reliant on social services.

I can't wait to read this fascist waste of oxygen's obituary.

This idiot also wanted to cure your COVID infected body with bleach injections and UV light

Surprised he's not calling it the "War of Northern Aggression" just to really try to suck off his base.

It's never good to negotiate with fascists.

You hear that, Democrats?

I love the photo they used. Saving that for future memes.

Photo is not altered.

Negotiate? He's suggesting things would've gone better if we'd agreed to mostly keep slavery but soften it a little in exchange for concessions? Well, that's horrifying.

Maybe my vote could have been 2/3 of a white vote? And we could negotiate with women. Maybe they could just tell us who to vote for but not actually do any voting and we could then have a family vote?

Translation: I am going to negotiate a new civil war

This is one that I deal with all the time with the extreme right, the extreme left, the extreme LGBTQ..., the extreme vegans etc.

You have to negotiate!

No, we don't. Some starting positions are so ridiculous that they leave no room for negotiation. No one is owed a negotiation. Sometimes the answer is, "No."

EDIT: A couple of pedantic extremist apologists and a small brigade of their friends tried to shout and insult me down. They failed. They weren't interested in a conversation, just silencing someone whose message they didn't like. Do you know how I know this? Not a single one of them asked me to explain myself. Not a single one asked me why am extremist is an extremist.

All extremists have a pathological belief that they are somehow superior and that that superiority justified their anti-social behavior. So neo-Nazi extremists have a pathological belief that they are racially superior and that that superiority justifies harassing, intimidating, and threatening people they believe are racially inferior to leave. Vegan extremist believe that they are morally superior and that that moral superiority justifies their harassing, intimidating, and bullying restaurateurs butchers, grocers, farmers, and their customers to change their diets to comply with the extremists beliefs.

So, the (pedantic) details may be different but the underlying pathology is the same.

An extremist is an extremist. They're all pathological assholes with grandiose delusions.

Just like he negotiated with those people on January 6th.

Technically, he is right in "The Civil War" being avoided BUT it would have just deferred conflict in the long run. There was no way the US would have continued with slavery. Absolutely zero chance due to an economic perspective.

The federal government would have 100% stroked a deal where select southern states could have kept slavery but the other states and especially the newest states would not be able have slavery. Not being able to negotiate this is what actually led to civil war. The confederates did not want to negotiate.

The North is industrial and made products to sell and export. The south used slavery for agriculture. If the slavery states would use that free labor to go industrial it would be a DISASTER for the slave free sates. Conflict would then arise to make sure the south no longer has that "economic advantage" over the north.

tldr: Any market with legal slavery will go "capitalism full bloom" and create a market where free Americans have no chance to compete.

He’s propping himself up to be a victim of the next one.

Fits completely in line with his intentions to appease Putin.

Just another attention grabbing word salad to entertain his mindless cult zombies.

Oh boy! 1939 all over again!

Thanks for making clear that MAGA is in reference to the 1860s. Any Republicans with lots of support speaking out against this? No? Then the message is clear: Vote Blue!

The actual source is this video where he spends almost two minutes trying to say how the conflict itself was bad and thinking if it was negotiated there wouldn't have been a war.

Don't know the full video, but I would like to believe he was trying to show sympathy for the actual losses and casualties. It's Trump so he was probably going on a tirade on how if he had negotiated that there wouldn't have been a need for a civil war, or something along those lines.

In other words, Trump thinks continuing slavery would have been a better outcome. On brand for his base.

Took me a moment to realise he was talking about the last one.

That one the next one?