Netanyahu says Israel will retain open-ended control of security in Gaza long after war with Hamas
Netanyahu says Israel will retain open-ended control of security in Gaza long after war with Hamas
Under U.S. pressure to prevent further mass casualties, Israel says it is being more precise as it widens its offensive into southern Gaza.
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Every place that is occupied gets more partisan violence.
This isn't opinion, it is a lesson learned during every occupation.
Gaza was already occupied. Step outside your thought pattern and consider what I'm actually saying.
Which further makes my point.
An occupied territory with partisan violence gets more occupation, which gets more partisan violence.
Do you work for an occupying force, because that's the only way occupation makes sense.
No I just didn't bring my personal emotions and biases into this discussion. One merits alone, you have to have a plan for after this war, and "our bad, we're leaving" is the worst of those options.
That's why I said
This war has already happened. You can’t un-fuck a chicken. If there was no war, then I think you’d have a lot more ground to stand on here.
No I just didn't bring my personal emotions.
Projection
"our bad, we're leaving" is the worst of those options.
Occupation is not going to solve this issue either.
Lets wind the clock back to The Troubles. There wasn't a military solution, it was a diplomatic one.
Funny how partisan violence died down real quick when Sinn Fein was invited to the table in good faith.
Lets wind the clock back to The Troubles. There wasn’t a military solution, it was a diplomatic one
Can't do this while terrorists govern and removing terrorists from governance is literally what this war is.
The Gazan conflict is a substantially more complicated problem than the Troubles.
Insults don't work on me.
Insults don't work on me.
Wheres the insult?
The IRA are a terrorist organisation, Sinn Fein was the political party that had deniability. There was terrorism happening in while the negotiations for the situation they are in now were happening.
I'm not saying negotiate with Hamas, but I am saying increasing the military presence there while restricting more freedoms is the wrong thing to do as is evidenced by history.
Sinn Fein was the political party that had deniability.
This is the difference. Hamas is literally founded on the genocide of Israel, and as the government of Gaza, the sole political party. When their position is vacated, if the prevailing opinion of Gazans has not changed (and the time since the Oct 7 massacres has definitely not helped that) you'll just get a different terror org running the show.
I am saying increasing the military presence there while restricting more freedoms is the wrong thing to do as is evidenced by history.
They have to help rebuild or they will be in a worse position. Sometimes, as a leader, you have no good choices and must pick a least bad choice.
Even saying this, I think we both know Israel will fuck up that last part. Their leadership sucks and they'll do a bad job and round and round we'll go. That's why this situation sucks so much.
We both know that Israel's rebuilding plans means more Palestinian displacement.
And this is a bad situation of the IDF's making.
Military occupation isn't the answer. And at this point there are no good answers as Palestine has been forced into a failed state by Israel.
We both know that Israel’s rebuilding plans means more Palestinian displacement.
I very strongly disagree with this statement, based on past two-state offerings by Israel.
And at this point there are no good answers as Palestine has been forced into a failed state by Israel.
Here we agree tho. We are discussing which shit sandwich is most palatable.
I very strongly disagree with this statement, based on past two-state offerings by Israel.
As if Israel hasn't consistently taken land through settler occupation for decades.
Israel hasn't actually wanted a two state solution since Rabin. They pretend to offer it then withdraw it the second something goes wrong, which they goad into happening on purpose by doing things like continuing increasing West Bank occupations while negotiating, or propping up Hamas to do a terrorism while negotiating, so they have an excuse to stop negotiations.