Cars Are A Disaster For Society -- Here Are the Numbers | CityNerd
Cars Are A Disaster For Society -- Here Are the Numbers | CityNerd
Good videos with some very good insights.
I normally only counted my own personal costs and those were already quite high for driving vs public transport where it was available. I think if most drivers use an app to count all their personal costs they might already be lenient towards more public transport.
This one though is very abstract and will be very difficult to convince the normal driver. But if you look at that cost per mile, it is much worse than the own personal cost per mile.
Why calculate my costs per mile if I don't have any alternatives? It costs me what it costs.
The video isn't your cost per mile. It is the cost per mile on society as a whole per mode of transport
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Multiple peoples cost per mile should be aggregated to open up alternatives.
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Even if you only have one method of transportation, the distance you travel is still elastic.
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It's what it costs you now, and you don't have alternatives now.
Maybe this will help you think about the future differently: be it planning to move or getting a different job so that you can use alternative transport, making smaller changes that would allow you to not use a car as much, or even long-term decisions like championing for change at the legislative level that might aid development of better transportation access.
they're good for the economy tho. as the communists spread communism, the free world spread car infrastructure. the rest is history
Cars are fucking terrible for the economy.
Possible productive hours are wasted with long commutes, because driving takes effort and work.
They caused us to build urban areas spread out in a density that is not self sustaining.
Its horrible for the environment, and climate change is gonna be absolutely great for the economy in the next decades. /s
Not too mention all the money and engineerimg that went into the technology of ICE cars that's now obsolete.
Drunkenly read cats and came in here ready to fight
Funny, though, that they don't differentiate between "cars" and "trucks". The big costs, e.g. for road maintenance, are due to trucks by a wide margin (The relation between vehicle weight and road damage is a x⁴ one!). And while this community would love to see all cars gone, there is no real alternative for trucks at the moment - at least as long people want a well-stocked supermarket, restaurant, or boutique within bike range. Erasing all personal cars from those cost calculations would hardly affect the overall costs. In the end, most of the costs for roads are a basically just a subsidy for the logistics industry. If they had to pay for road keepup themselves, prices everywhere would simply rise.
Please stop being disingenuous. You know perfectly well that what we want is doable because it is already being done in many places in Europe and Japan. Stop fighting a strawman of your own creation.
We want fewer private motor vehicles in our streets because car-centric urban planning translates into places that are unpleasant to live in, especially for people who don't drive.
I live right by a busy stroad. How many of the cars whizzing by do you think are delivery vehicles? How many busses? Very few compared to the number obese SUVs and lifted pickups, even though there are four large supermarkets and many shops within walking distance along this corridor.
If we reduced the number of private motor vehicles in this stroad the quality of life for my family would significantly increase: less air pollution, less traffic noise, more pleasant daily errands, less risk of being run over by a tank-sized ego booster, more room for trees and bicycles.
Stop spewing bullshit and fear. Let my kids and I hope for a better future.
I never said it was not doable. I just made it clear that making personal cars somehow "vanish" will not really change the financial side of things.
I'm not against change. On the contrary. But I know that just wishing won't help. One needs a realistic goal, and find an equally realistic way to get there. Anything else is just dreaming. Just saying "Cars have to vanish" won't accomplish anything.
I wish anyone in this "FuckCars" community would actually think of a way to fix the world, and not just complain about the way it is.
He talks about the externality cost of traffic on goods in the video "one Uber eats delivery can hold up $14 million in semi conductors".
It's the orange bar on the graph.
Of course roads are a subsidy for logistics, they have been for at least 7000 years. The importance of moving goods highlights the importance of removing personal vehicles.
there is no real alternative for trucks at the moment
Yeah, I’m afreight there’s railly no alternative way to trainsport things.
They would rise but not uniformly esp if we could charge accurately. So we would start to penalise the more destructive models and encourage lower transport choices.
Smaller trucks would mean more drivers (which are already hard to find). More drivers mean more costs. You would basically penalized logistic companies either way just for them to do their job: Bringing goods into the cities.
Someone else suggested to go by rails. Hardly feasable, as one would have to turn half the cities into railyards. And any kind of train can only operate efficiently because of sheer size. Which means: problems with small curve radiuses. Which an inner city most likely will have to have, unless you only fit the major roads, and move the goods for the last few hundred meters by whatever means.
There is a shitload of catch 22's in this whole story - cities evolved to what they are and how they worked over a long time, and changing them will cause mega efforts.
The big costs, e.g. for road maintenance, are due to trucks by a wide margin
The big costs are due to weathering. The freeze-thaw cycle in particular does a huge amount of damage to roads.
The costs of fixing freeze-thaw damage to roads is proportional to the total paved lane miles you have. If you've got a total of 5 lanes on your stroad, that's 2.5x more damage to repair than if you've just got 2 lanes on your street.
And car lanes don't move many people per hour per foot of road width. Bike lanes, sidewalks, and bus lanes support much higher numbers of people per hour per foot of lane width.
Having people drive everywhere encourages suburban sprawl with a very large number of lane miles per capita. That has a very expensive fixed cost to repair from normal freeze-thaw cycles, even if the marginal cost of each mile actually driven in a car isn't so bad.