Berlin criminalizes slogan 'From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free'
Berlin criminalizes slogan 'From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free'
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Tbh, the only thing that's changed is that the state prosecutor put it on a list of hate speech slogans. Nothing really changed. Hate speech was always illegal in Germany. And you can't really be surprised Pikachu face at the news that German officials are a lot more sensitive against stuff that is actively in use as a rallying frase by actual Terrorists.
But to the Article itself: I don't get the later part of this paragraph, and looks to me almost like ai generated.
The Stuttgart German-Israel Friendship Association claims to be pro-Israel, but receives its funding from the German Foreign Ministry. The lack of independence, critics argue, has turned German-Israel Friendship associations into paper tigers who won’t assertively confront their local, state and federal governments about hardcore pro-Iran and anti-Israel policies.
German-Israel Friendship associations are just that: Associations, not official agency's.
And "hardcore pro-Iran and anti-Israel policies"?????
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That seems like something Germany would do.
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Currently, suggesting Israel shouldn't genocide an entire population is antisemitism, so it's only natural for Germany to move as far away from that as possible.
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I don't think that is the case, you just have to be very precise in your wording. And yeah, suggesting that Israel should just have to sit there and watch the missiles fly without fighting back because Hamas hides under Hospitals, I think is at least problematic. One could ask that of a third power, but not the one that's being shot at. They must have the right to shoot back to end the attacks on their people.
To the matter at hand, chanted in German streets, "from the river to the sea" sounds far too similar to "von der Maas bis an die Memel" to not carry that connotation of driving Israel out entirely.
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That's not natural it's distinctly artificial.
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Its so fucked that this is the dichotomy presented. Like "oh you want the Apartheid oppressing Muslims to end? That means you want Apartheid where the Muslims are the oppressors!".
The fact that people mean "No Apartheid" when they talk about freedom is just glossed over. As well as the Christians (both arab and settler) suffering under the laws codifying Jewish supremacy in Israel. Opposing Israel does not mean opposing Jews in general and wanting freedom for everyone in Palestine does not mean wanting freedom only for the Arab population much less only the Muslim Arab population.
Maybe that is because this is completely delusional. Palestine has repeatedly refused any deal that would lead to freedom and piece in a world where Israel still exists. Hamas is extremely open about their goal to eradicate Israel in its entirety. Unfortunately, the reality of this conflict is that there is not enough support for a peaceful solution among the Arabic population in the middle east, least of all among Palestinians.
Could you please explain what exactly the deals were that were rejected by the Palestinians?
And which “the Palestinians” rejected these deals? Which Palestinian organization could accept or reject deals? After all, Israel and its allies have never negotiated with Hamas. "You don't negotiate with terrorists!" right?
Even if it was you who supported and promoted this terrorist organization in order to deprive the competing organization of the legitimacy to speak for all of Palestine.
And finally, I would be happy if you could say a little more about why "the Palestinians" found these deals unacceptable.
Or did they really justify it by saying that destroying Israel wasn't part of the deal?
You know, I recently discovered the statements of "Breaking the silence". They taught me how to extract a never-ending stream of terrorists from a population.
Odd statement considering there was (according to the latest Last Week Tonight episode) a survey shortly before the attacks that had about 3/4 of the population supporting a peaceful solution among Palestinians.
Your view on Arab people is very racist. And your arguments don't hold up considering that Israel and the west repeatedly torpedoed every democratic peoples movement, to the point where in the time leading up to the Al-Aqsa flood they only allowed cash transfers to Hamas pass the checkpoints. Freedom for Palestine is a call to end Apartheid and for a secular state.