2y ago

U.S. Says Main Thrust of Ukraine’s Counteroffensive Has Begun

www.nytimes.com

archived https://archive.ph/0lnCy

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Why do these idiots keep publicizing every breath of the UA army like they're doing investment quarterly reports? Do they think Russian intel workers can't read English?
Internet trolls propelled Prigozhin’s rise. Now some celebrate his fall.
Remember kids, the pen is mightier than the sword, and the meme has higher spread and rate of fire than the machine gun.
- Do they think Russian intel workers can’t read English?
  Yes.
  I forget the source, but I remember watching a video of a Russian and a Ukrainian debating something using Russian, well before the current military operations. Ukrainian called them out for having to have the debate in Russian because "I bet you can't even speak any English". Russian guy switched to near perfect English, and Ukrainian guy struggled for about five minutes in very broken English before switching back to Russian. It was pretty embarassing.
  
  Have you seen videos of post-maidan Ukrainian officials trying to make public speeches in Ukrainian? Klichko for example. It's embarrassing.
Only hope is this gets smashed so quickly and thoroughly it has ripple effects that end or at least significantly decrease the level of fighting and dying in Ukraine as soon as possible. There should be nothing left materially after this and this push to the Sea of Azov is the only strategic possibility for something like a military succes for the AFU. If this fails, there is no possibility of military victory for them left and someone somewhere would have to realize that.
- There's always the option of dirty bomb or sending NATO troops proper
  
  Hey, never say never. Cost of living in Western Europe is getting so dramatic, volunteering in the army might be an option for many soon! And coincidentally some things might happen after that.
@yogthos Lmao, OK. 😁
We're quick to mock. Let's watch closely. We are always at risk of underestimating our opponents.
- I mean a miracle could happen, but given that they spent two months without achieving a breakthrough and wasted something like 30% of western equipment already even according to western media, it's pretty unlikely that they've now come up with some magic formula for success. Either way, once this burns out, things are going to clear up a lot I suspect.
  
  I don't think it's about miracles. It's about intelligence. I guarantee that the US lacked the intelligence it wanted on Russian capabilities and part of this entire conflict has been about trying to draw more Russian capabilities out into the open so they can be assessed. The US has so much materiel, so much intelligence gathering apparatus, so much ability to hide their capabilities. I think it's feasible that the US could wait out any opponent in any conflict. The worst thing for all of us would be for the US to fundamental change the state of play, and therefore I think we need to remain skeptical of our own assessments of the ground truth and look for as much evidence as possible of being incorrect. Otherwise we're going to get blindsided if it turns out we're wrong.

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