Aotearoa Daily Kōrero 24/10/2023
Aotearoa Daily Kōrero 24/10/2023
Welcome to today’s daily kōrero!
Anyone can make the thread, first in first served. If you are here on a day and there’s no daily thread, feel free to create it!
Anyway, it’s just a chance to talk about your day, what you have planned, what you have done, etc.
So, how’s it going?
Thought for the day
I read an interesting article on free will vs determinism.
Here it is if you are interested
Poscast intreviewWhat is your position on the dichotomy of free will vs determinism?
I don't agree with the scientist in this case, but it did get me thinking about it. It isn't like the guy is a kook, he makes some very salient points; there are some unambiguous things were there is no "free will" even though most people think there is; but the premise that these are mappable onto all things thereby leading to the conclusion that free will is an illusion, doesn't really sit well with me. I don't have great data to back this view, beyond personal experience, I feel that I have free will, and maybe that is enough.
It's a bit of a glass half full vs. half empty / chicken vs. the egg sort of thing.
If one [believes that one lacks free will], one will behave in an entirely different manner compared to believing that one [does have free will]. So the belief in free will, or lack thereof, will ironically have a massive impact on the course of our lives.
This is the same argument for inflation expectation. If one believes there will be high inflation, one drives inflation by their actions.
Any of the big questions in psychology and philosophy are always difficult; there are always swings in ideas and fashionable ideas....I'm not sure if one lacked the belief in free will; as someone who thinks we do have free will; what or how they would behave.
No, I don't think so. Living as if you don't have free will would be impossible, you'd never get anything done. We have to ignore a lot of interesting philosophy in order to function.
Sam Harris and Jay Garfield have a great podcast about free will. Saint Augustine came up with the idea of free agency in order to get God off the hook for Eve's fall. Fascinating stuff.
If you'd asked me 5 years ago before I started meditating, I would have thought that of course we have free will. But meditation has shown me that we are not standing on the riverbank of consciousness looking into the flow, we simply are the flow. There is no self standing separate from experience.
Plus, possessing this magical quality of free agency would require us to break the law of causality. There is no evidence for free will in any branch of science.
This is about as philosophical as it gets, I think. Before deciding if you have free will, you have to decide what "free will" means.
You can decide you want pizza or a burger. But your decision will be based on your genes and what you are more familiar with, your past experiences with pizzas and burgers, how recently you had one or the other, and a multitude of other factors leading up to that moment. Do we say you don't have free will because you picked pizza since you had a burger yesterday when your partner picked what to have and therefore that made your decision for you?
It's really just the argument that your genes and experiences make up who you are and theredore what decisions you make, and those genes are outside your control while your experiences are either outside your control or based on decisions you made using factors that are either outside your control or themselves based on your experiences. Basically the interconnectedness of all things.
I think there's a strong philosophical argument that free will doesn't exist. But in practical terms, does that matter? Does the distinction between true free will and decisions based on prior experiences that when it comes down to it are all based on chance, does that distinction actually matter in practical terms? It's just definiting what "free will" means in a way that shows you have no free will. You can easily define free will in a way that means you have free will as well.
I would argue that if you need to dig down into every piece, such that you disassemble each choice to its components, and each component into its components, then "free will" is impossible. But it's purely philosophical, because it doesn't matter.
After listening to the podcast; a lot of his argument boils down to the lack of a "causeless cause" and thus no free will can exist, because every decision was caused by something, which in turn was caused by something else...etc
There could be a very compelling argument about free will being the emergent property of incomputability; as you say if you boil every decision down to the constituent parts then nothing is truly causeless, but precisely by not doing that we get the chaotic interaction of factors that look a lot like free will; chaos is not random but by definition it is not computable.
In this model decisions become probability spaces rather than absolutes.
Have been getting quite stressed out about my workload and some upcoming deadlines lately. I usually don't notice stress for ages, then it suddenly hits me (which is what happened this time).
Trying just to focus on getting through as much work as I can, even if things take longer than I'd like. Which is mostly working... have to remind myself that nothing bad is going to happen if I can't do as good a job as I'd like... but part of my brain seems convinced this is life or death!
I feel the pain.
We took the kids to Sanctuary Mountain Maungatautari on Saturday; it was really nice. Very relaxing but strenuous with the hills.
We all had a great time.
I was there a couple of days ago, got a great tour from Rosie. Did you go up the tower? Was quite the climb, and underwhelming view.
We did, the view was better just below the canopy rather than above it.
Busy week as of late. Me, my mum and her friends are in the process of organizing the funeral for my stepdad.
My parents used to go on and on about how awesome Insurance is, and why I should get it - but it turns out, we didn't get a single penny worth of support from any insurance company, due to my dad's health conditions. We have to ask WINZ to help cover some of the cost of the funeral.
My mum now has $350,000 left to pay on her mortgage (plus $720,000 interest), and is the sole breadwinner in the family. There's a fair chance that I may not ever even inherit my parent's home, even if I lose them both. The whole thing was a mirage - and I've never felt more radicalized in my whole life than I do now.
Really sorry to hear that... Kia kaha
That truly sucks; I hope you find some peace. I'm sorry for your loss.
Kids decided to draw on some rocks and sit by the footpath on our quiet street selling them. They came back inside with a $10 note from some generous passerby. They were very excited, as you might imagine.
Epic, good on them