Just wanted a warning, Lemmy.World is perhaps worse than reddit at respecting their users
Just wanted a warning, Lemmy.World is perhaps worse than reddit at respecting their users
I just suddenly found my user over there banned. Not for getting in a fight or breaking any rules, but just for criticizing and asking questions regarding its recent vague Terms of Service. In fact, no reason, warning, or reply was given beforehand, and the admin who did it suddenly scaled to banned, with no reply or anything sent to email.
It seems to be because of some criticism I made regarding https://legal.lemmy.world/, where rather than answer it they deleted my entire user history and implied that the criticism was:
reason: disagreeing with the Terms of Service - don't worry your content is gone
Note that I never explicitly disagreed with the Terms of Service, but I guess they must consider any criticism of it disagreement.
It hardly matters when they've made sure to make it my word versus theirs by eliminating my entire user history. This should be a big hint about how they will treat you, your comment history, and your ongoing discussions, even those unrelated to the ban, and it shows just how shit they will be at transparency when it happens (be sure to use the Internet Wayback Machine on them).
A lot of my criticisms had to do with permabans and how they would carry them out, so I guess I have my answer - in the worst way imaginable it without recourse, control, or even the possibility of getting it lifted.
What they say under 6.2, it's all deception, "what may happen" when the reality is they won't mind completely banning you on the spot. They won't give you a warning and tell you not to repeat it. There won't be any sort process. They will just ban you and remove your comment history on the spot. They will throw your entire history of content down the drain, and laugh while making a snarky comment. It's even worse than reddit, then, but that was always a risk, specially given who's heading Lemmy's development and given the apparent lack of concrete details regarding its leadership.
I suppose I'll try kbin.social now. On the off-chance that somebody has of knows of where there could be a cache of the comment I made where they claim I was "disagreeing with the Terms of Service", I would appreciate it. Oh, never mind, found it - that was easy: https://web.archive.org/web/20231020022523/https://kbin.social/u/@InternetTubes@lemmy.world
Here's the link to the modlog removal, because there seem to be a lot of connection problems now and the latest one is missing a lot of admin actions, including those that purged and banned my account:
Then: https://web.archive.org/web/20231019235547/https://lemmy.world/modlog
Now: https://web.archive.org/web/20231021224842/https://lemmy.world/modlog
NOTE: Apparently it is still there, it just has to be searched for through a more precise filter. It isn't clear how or why it gets removed. However, it is now clear who performed the ban, and it is the person I suspected: https://web.archive.org/web/20231104183117/https://sh.itjust.works/comment/5112860 Plus it seems the two most active admins are very close: https://web.archive.org/web/20231105083850/https://kbin.social/m/trees@lemmy.world/t/567901/Sipping-mist-from-a-bag-to-get-high-feels-so#entry-comment-3163448
I've submitted a ticket, whose link leads to a service hosted on mastodon.world: https://imgur.com/a/aisRzL9
The result? Closed without a reply: https://imgur.com/a/6PK1elq
NOTE: I was finally able to contact Ruud, contact as in get him to join the same Matrix PM chat as me and direct him to this post, but that was basically it. Complete silence and not even a courtesy "I will look into it", so within their bubble of narcissism. I'm going to guess he's already quite aware and ok with the "sweep under the rug" approach. In contrast, they were quite quick to ban me from the Matrix chat after joining and waving hello, yet not so quick to provide a reason except that of a circlejerked "yeah just ignore, because look at all the other dirt on the carpet".
Lemmy.world seems to be corrupt at the core, at it will likely continue to fool a lot of people for years to come.
As of today, two months later, no apology from lemmy.world, my kbin.social account still remains banned. Even though they've removed the admin responsible there's no apology and you wouldn't know about it or even begin to guess why if you didn't look under the covers ( https://i.imgur.com/En7roiG.png ), because the other admins are complicit in sweeping it under for the appearance of acting legitimately that they wouldn't ever dare an apology from the hole they've dug themselves into.
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The admins are straight up people that could be from lemmygrad, like how the fuck are they worse than Lemmyml...
Come to Shitjustworks, we are great. TheDude is cool.
holy shit, I've been reading this url as "sh, it just works" for MONTHS and was super ??? about what it meant. I only just now realized it's "shit just works" and......oh. that makes a lot of sense.
So many filthy tankies infesting the other instances. You're almost guaranteed to spot one even outside of .ml now, which is where I'd hoped they'd remain to save the rest of us from having to deal with their authoritarian bullshit.
Yeah, i mean hexbear is a thing sadly, i just block them all. They are a plague.
sopuli admin tends to be pretty chill too
If Lemmy.world and Lemmy.ml both suck ass, then that pretty much means that 90%+ of all communities are straight up gone. Which means at this stage one might just go back to fucking Reddit. Because what's the point of having shitty admins and no communities?
You can just go to smaller instances that don't monopolize lenmy...
There's already a lack of communities int he fediverse, and you want me to sit there in some, if they even exist, that get maybe a thread within 2-6 weeks? What's the point in that?
If all people thought like you do, then the fediverse wouldn't exist at all. No mastodon, no peertube, no pixelfed, nothing. Because it seems easier to complain instead of to collaborate in its growth.
That’s like inviting me to six different parties at the same time, then telling me I’m the problem when I suggest there aren’t enough people here to have a party.
I didn't contribute to Reddit either, at least not in form of submissions, but I think my Reputation points make it obvious enough that I am in fact still contributing through user interaction. Just because you not liking what I have to say does not change that. With that in mind, if all people thought like me, there would at least be a lot more going on in the Fediverse as I'm definitely way more active than the majority of users in the fediverse.
And I'm looking for content, not to provide it myself. Especially not for subs & communities who refuse to do their moderation properly, or even straight up ban those who tried to help through reporting offending content. I'm sick and tired of playing the unpaid worker for abusive overlords on a power trip. There has been way too much faith lost for me to care.
I mean then go to reddit if you don't want to contribute and just to complain...
Wonderful reply. /s
They don't suck ass, only the power hungry abusers with power over your account do. It's certainly an indication that perhaps how these social networks are designed should be reconsidered instead of just trying to create carbon copies of flawed systems.
Incidentally though, even though lemmy.world has banned my account here now, I can still comment on their threads and participate in them, it's just that it will really only be visible to kbin users. Not sure if that implies I'm also essentially invulnerable from their community's moderation, at least in regards to kbin,social users, it probably should be something that should be looked at.It stopped working, so I guess it was a sync issue, and would explain why I was still able to access my user history through here to back it up onto the Internet Wayback Machine.You can post to their communities from any instance. They have no way to enforce "ban evasion" so it is ridiculous they are even using that term.
I'm not sure how it works, because there was a comment on a thread regarding youtube ads that I noticed I couldn't view after trying to reply to a notification of a kbin.social user comment on it, and I couldn't get to my comment no matter how hard I tried. Now I can, for some reason, but there's no comment to reply to!? But it does seem that lemmy.world can at least limit the visibility of my comments to the local kbin.social instance.
But in regards to new users, I just tried to create a user in the lemmy.world instance, and they added a textbox so you had to agree to do so. So I just went and created it in another instance that didn't force me to agree with the Terms of Service.
To be fair, it's not a bad idea, they can just finish implementing it by trying to require users agree to it before they can participate in the instance's community without visibility penalties, so my general view of it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6BYzLIqKB8
There is only one admin for kbin.social, it only exists because he teied to and ultimately couldn't abide the Lemmy devs' politics, and even when he's being insulted he's been polite enough about it that it's almost painful to read.
If I have complaints, it's that I've felt like he tends to take absolutely every responsibility upon only himself and then drag his feet because he's overwhelmed, resulting in broken promises. For which he also flagellates himself.
If someone who acts like Ernest yells at you, you've invented a new way to fuck up and I'm requesting receipts on that one.