Welcome to Lemmy
Welcome to Lemmy
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I want a society that is a democratic communist society ruled by a democratically elected council. None of this single person has ultimate authority, because that's the worst weak point. All laws apply to the leaders as well as the masses. Money should either be abolished, or capped. No individual should be able to acquire enough influence that they can dictate anything about others lives. Democratize and co-op all workplaces. All basic rights of humans are absolutely not allowed to be profited off of.
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What kind am I?
Not a neo liberal or a Tankie.
I'm in-between. I'm caring enough to not agree with Conservatives and want a change to the status quo. I'm educated enough to know how the world actually works and that things can't be free and other people won't do stuff for free. Capitalism has its place, but needs to be highly regulated.
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Even Adam Smith was pretty clear what happens when capitalism is unregulated:
We rarely hear, it has been said, of the combinations of masters, though frequently of those of workmen. But whoever imagines, upon this account, that masters rarely combine, is as ignorant of the world as of the subject. Masters are always and everywhere in a sort of tacit, but constant and uniform combination, not to raise the wages of labour above their actual rate. To violate this combination is everywhere a most unpopular action, and a sort of reproach to a master among his neighbours and equals. We seldom, indeed, hear of this combination, because it is the usual, and one may say, the natural state of things, which nobody ever hears of...
The liberal reward of labour, therefore, as it is the necessary effect, so it is the natural symptom of increasing national wealth. The scanty maintenance of the labouring poor, on the other hand, is the natural symptom that things are at a stand, and their starving condition that they are going fast backwards.
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Ye, if you don't manage capitalism, the demon capital manages you.
I would like us to seriously try alternatives, but failing that, at least put the mad dog on a leash.
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flexible on range of solutions for dealing with the billionaire problem
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“Ally? That’s a funny way to spell FASCIST!”
-the American left during the 24’ election
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Your parties are seriously a mess, though. Sorry to say. Yes, come the vote under a FPTP duopoly I agree maximum impact is to vote for the lesser of the two, but I honestly don't think much is going to change for you guys if all you do is vote.
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*Doesn't vote to enable fascism.
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I just want people to have food, shelter and healthcare at an affordable price.
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So you want billionaires hoisted up by their figgins as a warning to the rest of the bourgeoisie?? That's what I'm hearing here.
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TERRORIST.
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Ugh George Soros poisoned Progressivism!
By "affordable" I'm assuming you mean free. Always wanting a handout, of course.
I just want untaxed inheritance, corporate welfare on top of more tax breaks for me and all my friends, unregulated surveillance and data collection of the plebs so I can continue to make even more money (untaxed obvs), exclusive and elite private universities, and a justice system where I can live free of consequence and purchase a judge at a reasonable price because I believe in being fiscally conservative.
Food, shelter, and healthcare are things I've just never had to think about really. Although, I would also prefer that if too many people are worrying about those things in my immediate vicinity, they be shuffled around or forcibly moved to a different vicinity.
That way I don't have to start thinking too much. It's really unfair when that happens, because it starts to make me feel all kinds of uncomfortable. Uncomfortable is not something I'm used to feeling, and since I don't like to think about things, I never stop and think about why somebody else being uncomfortable would also make me feel so uncomfortable.
Logically, the solution is to just put those people somewhere not visible to me, and then complain about what society is "turning into these days" when they slip through the privilege perimeter.
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Some call this “Leftist extremism”. =/
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Seems reasonable.
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Anti-Conservative
There is no such thing as liberalism — or progressivism, etc.
There is only conservatism. No other political philosophy actually exists; by the political analogue of Gresham’s Law, conservatism has driven every other idea out of circulation.
There might be, and should be, anti-conservatism; but it does not yet exist. What would it be? In order to answer that question, it is necessary and sufficient to characterize conservatism. Fortunately, this can be done very concisely.
Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:
There must be in-groups whom the law protectes but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
There is nothing more or else to it, and there never has been, in any place or time.
For millenia, conservatism had no name, because no other model of polity had ever been proposed. “The king can do no wrong.” In practice, this immunity was always extended to the king’s friends, however fungible a group they might have been. Today, we still have the king’s friends even where there is no king (dictator, etc.). Another way to look at this is that the king is a faction, rather than an individual.
As the core proposition of conservatism is indefensible if stated baldly, it has always been surrounded by an elaborate backwash of pseudophilosophy, amounting over time to millions of pages. All such is axiomatically dishonest and undeserving of serious scrutiny. Today, the accelerating de-education of humanity has reached a point where the market for pseudophilosophy is vanishing; it is, as The Kids Say These Days, tl;dr . All that is left is the core proposition itself — backed up, no longer by misdirection and sophistry, but by violence.
So this tells us what anti-conservatism must be: the proposition that the law cannot protect anyone unless it binds everyone, and cannot bind anyone unless it protects everyone.
Then the appearance arises that the task is to map “liberalism”, or “progressivism”, or “socialism”, or whatever-the-fuck-kind-of-stupid-noise-ism, onto the core proposition of anti-conservatism.
No, it a’n’t. The task is to throw all those things on the exact same burn pile as the collected works of all the apologists for conservatism, and start fresh. The core proposition of anti-conservatism requires no supplementation and no exegesis. It is as sufficient as it is necessary. What you see is what you get:
The law cannot protect anyone unless it binds everyone; and it cannot bind anyone unless it protects everyone.
Also, those who insist on political purity tests reveal themselves to be temporarily-inconvenienced-dictators-in-waiting.
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While I am totally in the "bind all and protect all" camp and really against the "in group protect, out group rules" and I think conservatism is often in practice "protect me and rule others", I am not sure if I agree with it being called conservatism.
I think fundamentally the hierarchy in right wing politics imply an in/out group. But just like conservatism is a form of right wing political views, so you could argue that the hierarchical political views are a Form of "in group protect, out group bind".
Whatever you want to call it, is part of conservatism, I believe. But I don't like to call it conservatism, so it feels like we are defining two related but different things with the same name, which will be confusing and could be used by e.g. "progressive" capitalists to claim that they aren't conservative and therefore not "in group protect, out group bind".
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I am not sure if I agree with it being called conservatism.
Yes, Wilhoit, if I'm understanding his treatise correctly, addressed this point:
For millenia, conservatism had no name, because no other model of polity had ever been proposed. “The king can do no wrong.” In practice, this immunity was always extended to the king’s friends, however fungible a group they might have been. Today, we still have the king’s friends even where there is no king (dictator, etc.). Another way to look at this is that the king is a faction, rather than an individual.
The corollary label could be "Anti-Establishment". Perhaps, "Anti-Authoritarian".
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Also, those who insist on political purity tests reveal themselves to be temporarily-inconvenienced-dictators-in-waiting.
I hope this isn't about leftists refusing to support biden/kamala in the US.
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the proposition that the law cannot protect anyone unless it binds everyone, and cannot bind anyone unless it protects everyone.
it's a nice sentiment, but you really need to have criticisms of the political economy if you want to address the root cause. the reason "the law" doesn't protect everyone is because the law is set up to prioritize the will of people with money and property over everyone else. I think the more common through-line is anti-capitalism rather than "anti-conservatism".
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I think the more common through-line is anti-capitalism rather than "anti-conservatism".
I will concede that this clarification makes sense if one regards capitalism and conservatism as de facto interchangeable.
Personally, I like the "Anti-Conservative" label as defined by Wilhoit because it more accurately describes my own political position within the specific constraints of voting and engaging in political discourse as a U.S. citizen.
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not one
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a rare sighting on lemmy
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Somewhat yeah, but I think there are a few others, just mostly not people who are that vocal about it
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The kind that got chucked off reddit for being mean to Trump, Musk and Netanyahu.
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Get your finger out of the trigger guard.
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To be fair, if you saw the movie, he was definitely ready to pull that trigger within the next milliseconds. But yeah shouldn't be pointing in the air without any trigger discipline
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yeah I'm a centrist:
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Where is the bubble that says "imperialism by Russia is fine"?
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We could put the dems in the same circle with the left if we paid them enough. Have we tried that yet? Everyone empty your pockets on the table here and lets count.
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I hope they all vote for Democrats though, in places where FPTP voting is still used
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Btw what's up with all these states up and banning Ranked Choice Voting? Most of them in the past 1-2 years too. I'm not exactly sure of the context, like if there was a bill or a referendum, but with a referendum I would have expected it to say "rejected"/"not adopted", instead of "banned". Definitely seems like RCV needs to be really fought for, and seems like the major parties are afraid of it.
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Yeahhhh, I hate to break it to you but..........there's a lot of them that do not vote blue especially when it counts.
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I'm so tired of the labels, I just want things to be better for everyone
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so you're with the no labels party then, Joe Manchins party?
/s
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Not this lifetime buddy.
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Better could be just one step, it might feel hurceulian but we can start with just the little steps.
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Don't worry anytime you have a slightly different opinion they'll force the label on you then insult you for the label they applied.
By far the worst trait on the left by a mile.
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Syndicalist
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Who composes the syndicate?
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Labor. Nobody else is entitled to that which they create.
Personally I don't hate a system of Soviets bound by basic principles of individual rights. But radical unions seizing the means of production and the reins of government and creating a system where workers coops are the default form of businesses and there are strict rules for contractors is the system I find is the best combination of acceptable and possible
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The Orions.
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The anti right wing/trump kind.
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You are a leftist.
I just think the GOP needs to burn.
We are not the same.
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Stop calling them the GOP or Republicans
They're NAZIS.
They have Nazi goals, Nazi tactics, Nazi personnel, Nazi legislation, Nazi ideology, Nazi violence.
They are NAZIS.
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Do you advocate for the status quo? Because that’s what it sounds like
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Here in the USA you'll get lumped in with us just the same.
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Never ask a Lemming what kind of leftist they are, or what is the best Linux distro.
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What kind of leftist are you and what is the best Linux distro?
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anarcho-communist, arch
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Post-left anarchist, Arch obv
I don't use Arch but that wasn't the question
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Socialist, Guix
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Hanna Montana is the best distro
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Dishonor upon you and your family!
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ancom, devuan
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Dictionary Anarchist - BotaOS(the name I give when I recompile a kernel on anything that I am running for more than a few weeks).
Currently based on Pop.
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Me: a disillusioned Liberal who runs Fedora, because I’m a basic bıtch and I ain’t got time for this shit anymore.
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Fedora is the Todd Howard meme of Linux: it just works
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The fundamental objective of leftism is the dispersion of sociopolitical power as widely and evenly as possible, with an ideal (neither realized or considered possible) in which each person has no more and no less power than any other.
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The internet is going to ruin leftism just like it did atheism. Bet.
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Finally, yes, someone actually knows the actual definition of the word.
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leftism
What does this mean? It sounds like you've described utopian egalitarianism, which is certainly not common in all 'left-wing' ideologies.
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Considering the right side of the court was aligned with the king and the left side was opposed, its essential to what is leftism.
Many despots assert left-wing alignment that their rule is democratic no matter how autocratic it actually is, so a lot of confusion has been sewn.
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Really good film. He nailed his role. So much so it was a little scary how good he was.
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You could hear a pin drop in the theatre when this scene dropped, it was just too real.
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Jesse Plemons needs more lead roles. He reminds me of Phillip Seymour Hoffman.
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This scene really got to me, this was the first time I really felt how awful war is
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What’s the film?
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The movie is called Civil War
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truly be like that.
Don't think about dissenting even a bit, you will immediately get a ban from a community you've never been to. Big brother is watching you, comrade 🫡
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Remember how Snowden is still wanted by the U.S. for exposing the NSA and it literally changed nothing other than we now know we’re being spied on and it doesn’t matter because no one in America gives a shit about having rights?
Cool. So cool. Cool and good. Loving it.
How do you help a society that refuses to help itself? I don’t feel like we, as a country, deserve anything good at this point.
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Oh, I'm not a leftist. My perspective is a bit more nuanced and complex than that. I am unburdened by ideology. I am the adult in the room. I am a centrist. 😌
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"I am unburdened by ideology."
Ahh, you gotta love this line. It's akin to a person here saying they're unburdened by language because they only speak English, 'the default'.
"Apolitical" people are not neutral or outside of politics, they preserve the status quo. Which, looking around the place, is not a good position. "Centrist" can mean wildly different things in different countries, but it's essentially just conservatism (as in, conserving, avoiding strong changes in either direction) - the center in Nepal^[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Parliament_of_Nepal] ^[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rastriya_Swatantra_Party#Ideology] is wildly different to the center in the US because their status quo is different.
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This cant be real.
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I’m pretty sure you meant to say coward.
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Nice bit, lol
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😌
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Once a society decides some people need to be denied rights inevitably the monarch takes them all.
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Haha, eveyone laugh at this centrist. Pick a lane you spinless coward /s
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Vibe-leftist. Any time I think 'what should I do in this situation?' I ask AI what the opposite of what Elon Musk would do.
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An armed one.
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The type that really like logistics, respects anarchists, and wants universal militia.
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I'm the leftist from the Church of the SubGenius.
And Slackware ftw!-
I'm one of today's lucky 10,000.
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fnord
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Scrubs shut up when Slackware users stand up.
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Ehhhh, Slackware has a lot of parallels to Archlinux when fully set up, with a lot of assisting cli tools for handling packages easily, I quite liked messing with it.
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A drunk one.
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I feel like your faction is always in complete opposite opinion to the knurd leftists.
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only if you go to .ml and hexbear instances. or if you go on politics.
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.ml users love telling people "kys" and actually threaten you with death for not sharing their opinions. Also they will judge you according to your nationality and then deny being racist. At least that was my experience. Although i'm sure it's not all .ml users, just a very radicalized minority.
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Punk bitch…. :P
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Anarcho-communist
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Ditto
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Left handed leftist!
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Yes.
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Everyone is welcome to join my Fascist Communist party. The 2 sides end up balancing everything out to a perfect center.
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Don’t think I’d use the words balance or perfect when describing Nasbols
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How about final compromise?
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It sounds like what I call Boomerism, where old people live in an alternate reality and are told that their extremely racist and backwards ideals have occurred, but in actuality, the world continues on progressively and environmentally without their actual input, bubble of bigotry, if you will.
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Liberal Left, kinda believe in a free market for non critical infrastructure (critical would be smth like food and housing), but you can't profit from a company and everyone gets the same independent basic income and everything has to be open source
So basically a company is nothing more than a bunch of nerds who are passionate about something and want to make it ASA team, but you can still view and change their Idea and make it bettwr
kinda like the Relation between Arch Linux Staff and community maintainers
Also I have a violence Fetish, that should explain 90% of my deleted posts
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I’m a Democrat.
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That's illegal!
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Most of Lemmy: EAT THE RICH!!!
Me: Idk, liberal democracy with reasonable social safety nets, some wealth anti-accumulation, and a robust education system? We should get there by showing up to city council meetings.
Most of Lemmy: LINUX!!!!
Me: but I want a computer where I don't have to troubleshoot the wifi driver every 3 months...
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You had me until you started shit talking Linux like that. WiFi used to be an issue on Linux systems, but it hasn't been a major issue for like an entire decade now. WiFi on Linux pretty much just works outside of libre only distros, or using Linux distro versions older than your hardware. Now WiFi on FreeBSD is still a bit of an issue, which is entirely there own fault.
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I don't have to troubleshoot the wifi driver every 3 months...
Seriously I haven't seen an actual WiFi issue on Linux for years.
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Me: but I want a computer where I don't have to troubleshoot the wifi driver every 3 months...
That's what we said, "Linux." I haven't had to troubleshoot a driver in like seven years.
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Me: but I want a computer where I don't have to troubleshoot the wifi driver every 3 months...
So, you have no control over your own decisions?
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I think you’re reading the room accurately. Nothing flops here like exposing childish extreme views to reality. If you’re not an extremist for their side, you’re worse than a monster.
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The one that wants to provide universal basic income based on a wealth tax.
I know this is a meme but i fundamentally disagree with what lots of other people call "left politics". I'm against immigration (for purely economic, not for racist reasons!), and i think that "men are the root of all evil" is a false and meaningless statement. It creates unnecessary tension within society and in my opinion provokes a civil war. It's literally that meme:
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If you have a country that's below it's replacement rate then you need net positive immigration to compensate for this. Likewise if your above replacement rate and have problems with overpopulation then you need net negative immigration. This is fairly straightforward demographics and economics. Being too far below replacement rate without immigration leads to an aging population, and even countries like China which used to have serious overpopulation issues can fall fowl of this. Aging population is the root of a lot of economic and cultural issues. Saying immigration is bad is not just wrong, it's the exact opposite of what the situation calls for in most European nations, the USA, Japan, and South Korea.
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“men are the root of all evil”
I've never heard this claim, only "money is the root of all evil".
Patriarchal society is profoundly harmful, but that's not an issue that divides sex or gender - patriarchal culture also directly hurts men. Men aren't immune from its problems simply because patriarchy systematically positions them above others. We can generalize this false-attribution error to other identity conflicts like sexuality, race, ethnicity, appearance, etc., it's easier to notice and then blame the tangible benefactor rather than identify the underlying system and its roots.
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I'm against immigration (for purely economic, not for racist reasons!)
I really hope you are being sarcastic here.
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I am not anti-immigration because I prioritize social factors in my country's situation, but that is a real position that people make valid arguments for.
Immigration is a real economic factor used by the owning class to lower wages. It exploits both local and immigrant workers. Look at Trump voters complaining in the news about how anti-immigration has ruined their workforce - they were exploiting immigrants to save money instead of paying local workers a (...relatively) reasonable wage.
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No, i'm sick of being lied to.
I'm not a nationalist in the sense that i think my country's any better than any other country.
But I do comprehend the significance of borders. Imagine people had no skin. They couldn't survive. When you go to a restaurant and ask for a glass of apple juice, you wouldn't expect a server of another restaurant to give it to you. Because one server is associated to one restaurant, and not to the other restaurant.
That has exactly nothing to do with thinking you're superior. It's just a concept to help organize the world. I hope i've made my point clear enough.
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I'm against immigration (for purely economic, not for racist reasons!),
I'm against brown people (for purely cultural, not for racist reasons!)
...facepalm so big it became an asspalm
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Leftist unity can only be done within reason, at some point it becomes so watered down that its no longer leftist. Im willing to support and work with anyone who pushes forward workers liberation. However, if someone is willing to backstab their fellow workers by accepting compromise with capitalists then they have no place among any unity alliance.
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