China is more popular than the US in most countries, including in Canada and most of Europe.
US popularity collapses worldwide in wake of Trump’s return
One of these states hasn't been in a foreign conflict in 45 years, the other drops 45 bombs a day
The fact that it's taken this long to cross shows you the power of cultural dominance in distorting objective reality(and that polls methodology can be manipulated to basically make any point those running it want)
Based on the one 3 weeks ago, my instinct is that the results would tell a different story if more third world countries had been included.
See this post: https://hexbear.net/comment/6089310
They have killed plenty of their own citizens.
They aren't US level of bad in terms of indiscriminate bombings, but they had military conflicts with Vietnam as recently as 1988, they have regular skirmishes with India and basically everyone that shares a sea border with them. They were also part of the UN force in Mali.
Being involved in a foreign conflict is pretty unlikely to be a deciding factor.
It's taken this long because the US's human rights violations haven't been as bad as China's, and we used to be good trading partners.
I suppose it's up to your defintion of 'deciding factor' but to think the US's invasions of sovereign countries resulting in hundreds of thousands of civilians deaths over the past few decades and support for ongoing genocide isn't tiping the scales is misguided at best
It's taken this long because the US's human rights violations haven't been as bad as China's
source? I've never seen reliable evidence(outside of easily disproven Zenz's inventions) that China's rights abuses match those committed by the US in Guantaumo, Abu Ghraib etc in severity
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/29/abu-zubaydah-cia-torture-waterboarding-guantanamo
explain to me how Iraq invasion is a less worse human rights violation than whatever China has done?
It’s taken this long because the US’s human rights violations haven’t been as bad as China’s
No, they've been worse: more people killed, more people imprisoned, more people abused, the US has been objectively worse.
That's a low bar to cross
Neither should be popular. Ppl should be suspicious of both.
More popular. I don't think China is popular in general. It speaks to how deeply unpopular the US is right now.
Israel emerged as the country with the worst global reputation of those included in the poll, especially in the Middle East and South Asia. Israel is unpopular even in European countries that have historically been its allies, such as Germany
When even Germany is getting squeamish, you know your genocide is really fucking off the rails.
Thanks Trump.
Rivals, opponents, enemies... A traitor trumps them all.
It’s like comparing diarrhea to poop.
China is authoritarian, but if you look only at the material conditions for democracy like prosperity, peace, education they are better than the US. People fundamentally want to exist and raise families in peace without constant terror, confusion and economic hardship. That is because even they are authoritarian, they can still "afford" to have pro-human or pro-national ideology. In the neoliberal countries choosing that over profit gets you fired or sidelined.
The US is more authoritarian, if anything, especially if you live in a country that's been on the receiving end of its foreign policy.
Being authoritarian is exactly what makes them good. When media talks about China authoritarianism, they're talking from the perspective of capitalists, not average people. Capitalists hold no political power in China and that's why western media it's upset, because they can't influence their policy through money. If western media cared about the material conditions of the average Chinese people, they would be chanting praise for the massive uplifting that China has went through the last 50 years.
I mean, it's pretty rich USA talking to anyone about authoritarianism, regardless of who's in office. I mentioned yellow journalism in another thread that began with the Spanish - American war, but even before then, we've always had death-labor camps. The authoritarianism waxes and wanes, depending on who's on the Hill, but we're supposed to evolve, rather than devolving and forcing stagnation/devolution on the rest of the world. And for all their faults, it's part of the reason our revolutionary founders urged isolationist policy. The Great Wars changed the equation a bit, but only because our burgeoning hegemony was threatened. And yes, this is oversimplifying, but the gist.
if I'm from, say, Ghana, I'm judging China based on how China affects Ghanaian people, not on how China affects Chinese people
That's important too, but that isn't just moving the goalpost, it's a completely different metric. But even if you're a staunch nationalist you might look at how Chinese people feel about the system and if you could replicate that system in Ghana.
China is authoritarian
"Authoritarian" doesn't even mean anything as a word, beside being maybe vaguely synonymous with "enemy". Any actual attempt definition of the word is either hypocritical and/or so wide and universally applicable to every state, making it useless.
Also why positive view of US in places like Eu and Canada is sliding is not because people really think America is sliding into non-democracy, or because people see US no longer as an shining example of prosperity, or have people really awoken the reality that US is the worlds largest rogue state and sponsor of terror (Israel, etc.). nor is china really seen as an better alternative.
Those people who most espouse having lost faith into US since 2024 are mainly the liberal-internationalists who are in power in these places (and in the media) would love nothing more than return to the pre-war status quo where EU is the junior partner in the American enterprise called west. They hate Trump and everything he represents, not America. They hate Trump not because he is incompetent or giving bad leadership per se, but because he makes people in places like Brussels and London nervous and makes "the west" look bad or atleast give it a look that more mask off and undignified look than they would like.
What I meant is "having much power / authority without being accountable to some third party". And yeah, taking the mask off is the only good thing about Trump. The US will never get their image back.
PS: The other good thing might be crashing the global economy might be positive for lowering GHG - but at what cost??? (haha)
America is the biggest police state in human history that breaches more other nations' sovereignty than anyone in history. you are out of your gourd saying "China is authoritarian" compared to the US, the biggest bully of all time with kill counts in the tens of millions
What you are calling "authoritarianism" in China is actually the power of the proletariat, a radical and unrelenting democracy.
Western democracy has revealed glaring problems with selecting governance, especially if the majority of the media is captured like in the US, and if elected officials have to beg special interest for money or be chosen / filtered through that process, or has to lie to the electorate. That China is doing relatively well despite being authoritarian, not having to be corrupted through that mechanism of election (an alternative might be sortition to prevent filtering for the worst vipers). But it's also lucky in that it's a "benign" authority still based on socialism and that it's not an enemy or plaything of the US. But even though it works for the people (for the people) it's not democratic (by the people)
Partially that is because China derives it's treasure from the people so education and productivity are important and with that some quality of life. There are plenty of pro forma socialist governments that only care to enrich themselves based on natural resources and can just brutalize and neglect it's population. So it's not just because of socialist ideology, it's where the money is for China. And afaik China still has it's corruption problems.
If your "ally" becomes hostile to you then its no surprise.