Truth.

lol is this community for armed revolutionary liberalism? are y'all ready to put your life down to increase cop budgets in dem cities?

When the genocidal politicians are hurting other people
When the genocidal politicians are hurting me
- Shut up liberal.
  
  Someone on a democrat community is calling a hexbear poster a liberal?
  
  Ohhh, sick burn bro.
- The rise of fascism is the same as milquetoast centrism
  you, a fucking idiot
  
  Biden sending Israel bombs knowing they would flatten entire residential blocks full of families: milquetoast centrism
  I love when politics are just normal and boring so liberals like you can just go to brunch and watch TV without thinking about the world system that's necessary to sustain your treats.
  
  Tell that to the Palestinians
  
  @Shitbird@hexbear.net NEW DAVE JUST DROPPED
  
  Genocidal politicians are milquetoast centrism (which is good)
  you, a fucking liberal fool
  
  What rise? The country has been fascist since before anyone here was born. Those fascists have been enabled by people like you cheering on politicians while they put people in concentration camps at the border, strip away basic rights such as abortion while never even allowing others like healthcare, and outright commit genocide. Be honest with yourself: you don't hate Trump because he's a fascist, you hate him because he's not a "polite" fascist.

Here's the thing. Trump is just a poster boy. The real problems will continue long after he's dead. There will be further assholes. Trump is a puppet. The string puller will last on.
We need to address the core root, not the symptoms.
- I don't disagree, but Trump is definitely a unifying figure for MAGA. Hopefully when he's gone there will be in-fighting among different MAGA factions trying to enact their own agendas and will cause fragmentation and irrelevance for many of them.
  
  I can see that. Vance will be one. DeSantos will be another. Musk might even get in on it.
  If I were Hillary Clinton, I'd just troll them, and run as a republican.
- I agree. I think Trump’s real purpose is to just take the heat for a lot of unpopular policies and he’s just too dumb and narcissistic to realize it.
  It will be interesting to see how MAGA changes after he’s gone.
- He is like a pustule. The disease is underneath and around the area but squeezing it empty will be a huge relief and afterward the healing will accelerate
- It's become very apparent that the puppet poster-boy is a very critical piece to the puzzle, and for some fucking reason, he's an effective one.
- If that's true, that's okay. You just get rid of puppets until they run out.
  
  Not a viable long term strategy unfortunately. European anarchist found that out the hard way
- The rot will definitely still be there, but the power vacuum Trump will leave behind is going to massive. Not only that, but a lot of Republicans are just spineless opportunists and not hardcore ideologues, and they may see it as an opportunity to push back against the nutjobs who have taken over the party.
- Both. Let's address both. Like a proper system of healthcare would.

we are democrats. we are legion. we do not forgive (when republicans are in office). we do not forget (when republicans are in office). expect us (when republicans are in office).
- Democrats ptui are paid just enough to be the ineffective token opposition and effective collaborators to the Rich 1%
  The whole two party system needs to be replaced.
  It's absolutely nowhere in the Constitution, but for whatever reason (money!) it's persisted.
  The Greens had a little going in the early 2000s but made the mistake of going national before establishing a base in local and state legislatures.
  Instead the Greens were branded as "spoilers" for handing Dubya Bush the presidency, and failed to gain traction since.

Capitalism needs to go

At least you're not quoting a fascist this time.
- Sometimes even a fascist speaks the truth. CONTEXT MATTERS
  
  Lol. Lmao even.
  
  you know, usually it takes at least 3 or 4 hexbear replies before the libs openly scream "i'm with the fascists" but good lord, you were just itching for an excuse to fling the mask off, weren't you?
  
  Just because a fascist might sometimes be capable of being a broken clock, that doesn't mean one should ever be quoted or given any kind of "credit" for their rare broken-clock take. Yes, context absolutely does matter, and in the case where the context includes fascism, that itself informs us that we should be especially careful the fascist receives no praise or endorsement of any kind. It really is not hard to make sure you never hand it to them.
  
  bruh
  
  ~~scratch a liberal...~~ man wtf
  
  what
  
  Oh, you mean like this guy:
  
  CONTEXT MATTERS
  You mean like the fact that they're a fascist and deliberately speaking in half-truths to create a distorted narrative?
  For instance, suppose I told you that this quote was written decades ago and predicted the current Trump administration:
  
  I wouldn't actually do that though, because this is a cherry-picked excerpt from Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf. Context like the fact that it was literally Adolf Hitler saying something antisemitic matters.

Oh my, we have our very own CIA agent assigned to our little site :3
- You would think the CIA would have done it for us by now, what with Trump singlehandedly destroying US hegemony.

Be the change You want to see in the world.

This thread is an example of why I'm happy for hexbear
- Hexbear?
  
  Your lemmy instance probably defederates from them, so you don't see their comments. They are a bunch of communists that many others don't care for and pre-emptively disconnect from.
  Personally, I appreciate their perspective and generally am glad to see the discourse.

So are you gonna shoot him or what? Trump "needs to go" and you're armed Democrats. Help me out here.
- It is illegal to say "I want to kill the president of the United States of America"
  
  Wait wait wait
  Isn't the whole reason you Americans like guns so much is so you and do that exact thing you can't say?
  
  “He who saves his country does not violate any law.”

If you feel this way about trump and didn't feel this way about biden then you don't care about fascism you care about your 401k
- My drop shipping business has been fatally compromised by the dang Cheeto. This cannot stand.

Our very own fed ❤️
- They are watching us all.

Anyone got information on this?

Go do it then
- This is so much of the internet right now. Everyone wants someone else to do the dirty work. Everyone one agrees that the dirty work needs to be done, but no one is willing to do it.
  
  I don't have the means to make it happen. I'm the rare American that doesn't own any weapons. And I'm positive they wouldn't let me close enough with my baseball bat.
  
  Welcome to the internet
  
  IME, that's life in general. Plenty of people complain more than they work on making things better. That's definitely me these last few weeks.
  Even when I was being productive, I'm pretty sure I wasn't doing the "dirty work".

Then organize.

I'm going to be one of those parents. I'm going to share what my 7 year old said at breakfast earlier this week as he looked over my shoulder at the pictures in the newspaper and asked me what the articles were about.
I forget how it came up, but I mentioned that Trump is very old and might die of old age in less than 4 years. He said:
I don't want him to die but I don't want him to be their ruler anymore.
I told him he was right and praised him for being able to hold those two ideas in his head at the same time.
...Personally I'd prefer a single event that resulted in the horrific death of several specific top USA officials due to their own malice/avarice/corruption, but I don't want him to be too cynical.
I think it'd be best to be horrific, to shock society into demanding better leadership. I don't think we'll be so lucky.

Iamverybadass

I haven't cared how for about 4 years and 110 days.
- Ah, but did you make a meme about it?

The problems we lament are not the result of one man. He has enablers. He has funders. He has defenders. He has judges and congresspeople.
The idea that our problems will disappear when ONE guy kicks the bucket would be laughable if our situation weren't so depressing.
- The right person going has historically been key to defeating fascism.
  Personality cults need the personality.
  
  Without the personality the cult that lifts them up still exists and the ideas persist.
  The word martyr exists for a reason. And sometimes a flawed martyr is even better. Because with the right methods, you can always rewrite whatever you like and ignore what you don't. as we have so very recently learned from modern history, that fact is so much more terrifyingly effective than you could ever dream of.
- That may be true, but we all gotta start somewhere.

I never cared how.

I can't wait to watch MAGA eat itself when Bonespurs finally has his massive Big Mac Attack. That gang of self-centered opportunists will claw each other to pieces trying to get to the top of the power vacuum.

I still think it's better for him to just keel over from his terrible eating habits, but OP's sentiment is perfectly understandable.

I had a rough day at work last night and coming home to this really made my Dave
- It made my Dave, too.
- Made your Dave what?

A comm named "Armed Democrats", modded by a dude named GuyFawkes.
Tell me you've never felt a bolt carrier group slide into place without telling me.
- LMAO, right? I just got done cleaning mine a few mins ago.

With the despicable and corrupt chain of succession, I have a preference.
Article II, Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution outlines the process for removing the President, Vice President, and all other civil officers of the United States from office through impeachment. It specifies that these individuals can be removed from office upon conviction of treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.

I spent months imagining what I'd like to do, or see being done to Trump and his lackeys, but I think all of that imagined violence was doing me moral harm.
So now I like to imagine Tolkien's giant eagle swooping in to grab them and dump them into Chesapeake Bay.

Make him president for life with a strategically deployed hamberder in the next 1000 days.

Manchurian candidate activated. Hahah Just think in terms of domestic abuse or domestic problems. Once Trump's base realizes that he lied to them, the left wing won't need to do a thing. The last thing you want to do is be reactionary and create a climate of dangerous leftist mob. Once Trump's base is angry, just remember these are the individuals with the guns and have been preparing forever. We're not to the point where we're at World War 3 completely. Once your kids get drafted, watch all hell break loose. The right wing is repulsive, but just wait. They will be your friendenmies. Most domestic terrorism is created by right-wing ideology. The guy that shot President Trump was a Republican from Pennsylvania. Just remember that. Keep your head on a swivel. Hold tight the American impiralist Empire is falling apart. Trump is accelerating this, which tittolates me.
- The naivety that still people have about authoritarian followers baffles me...
  There is no point at which his base will turn on him.
  There is no action he could perform, no line he could cross, no hardship he could impose that they won't accept gladly so long as he promises them that "the enemy" suffers more.
  There is no turning back from this point of the fascist take over, I'm not a historian, but I've been reading books on how countries fall and there isn't a single one I can think of (please i'm begging you name one, no snark I honestly don't want to be right) that have turned back from this precipice, what comes after is blood, famine and war... Maybe we get some sort of stability after, but that's a crap shoot...

Bit late, innit.
Better late then hever tho.

I’m going to be “that guy”. It’s over. We’re toast. Stick a fork in democracy; it’s done. All we can do now is survive day to day, and hopefully not end up in El Salvador. Welcome to 1984.
Downvote all you want, but take a long look in the mirror and come back and tell me how I’m wrong.
- Elections certainly won't save you, but mass civic resistance might. If you're afraid of fascism, organize and go on strike.
- Doomerism is counter-revolutionary and a tool of the bourgeoisie to supress material opposition. This isn't about you, its about the billions of people who don't live in the imperial core and will be harmed most by our inaction. If you truly believe your situation is hopeless then act in a way that gives hope to others.
  
  I vote, I protest, I donate… nothing changes.
  It’s not as simple as dismissing what I said off as doomerism. It’s the cold, hard reality of the situation. I can’t give someone something I don’t have myself. Your dismissal of my words only bolsters that fact.
- There's no peaceful way for the USA to get out of this. If Trump AND Vance would ignore a 9-0 Supreme Court ruling, I don't see why they'd listen to a formal impeachment and removal, or a loss in a re-election bid? And that's assuming they don't use federal agents or coercion or sabotage election systems to cheat a win there.
  We will need a physical on-the-streets, in-the-capital Revolution to overthrow Trump and Vance. Perhaps that will only happen once Trump is legally removed and refuses to abide by that. You can call me a "fed" for saying this. I don't know why this idea is so shunned, especially in a country that celebrates the group of anarchist terrorist revolutionaries who denounced their government for far less than what is happening here.
  Democrats and establishment "Independents" act like Democracy is a self-enforcing system. I'm reminded of what BLM protesters said years ago: "Who do you call when the police are killing you?" || Who do you call when the man who wields the military and police, breaks the law?
  All governments rule with the permission of the Many. Perhaps those people are reluctant, perhaps they sit idle out of fear. It doesn't change the fact that WE empower the economy -- WE keep their lights on, their food stocked, and their positions funded. And if an unruly mob of white nationalist losers could storm the Capitol in Jan 6th, WE could take over this government with a fraction of the effort the Patriots needed to fight off the British Army. Just because we voted this man into power does NOT mean we need to endure 4 years of tyranny.
- Do you have guns? A community watch? Regular meetings? These are all possible even without the social media tools the tech bros control. It's okay if you're not up for that, some are, some aren't, but it's the only choice left it seems.
- Trump will have a bad day once you dumbasses read your constitution and realize some amendments do not only apply to schools.
  
  Not sure if you’ve been paying much attention to the US situation, but the constitution is pretty much useless these days. The branch of our government that is supposed to uphold it (judicial) has been long-bought-and-paid-for by dark money (i.e. bribes and kickbacks) from special interests and billionaires like the Koch brothers, Rupert Murdoch, Elon Musk, etc.
  Long story short: we’re past being saved by the equivalent of toilet paper.

Hermburger

- We can all understand the attraction in seeing the US get its comeuppance but the death throes of the US would likely be quite unpleasant.
  If the US could somehow transform into a more enlightened member of the international community, we'd all be much better off. Barring that, even a return to it's prior position as self-appointed world police would likely be less destructive than an actual collapse.
  
  Not too mention that if he's taken out violently (assuming not as part of a greater revolution) then the result would likely make the post-911 response look cute.
- Wishing harm on others is abhorrent behavior. The downfall of any nation causes so much harm and grief to countless innocent humans well beyond the borders of one nation.

Smh just win the next election
You are not a revolutionary
- I'm ready to vote right now if I could
  
  Still ridin' with Biden!
  Joe 2028!
- Yeah that'll do it lmao

Trump and Biden were terrible presidents. The USA is a imperialist empire and not a democracy.