Kashmir crisis: India missile attack kills eight; Pakistan official says two Indian jets shot down
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Hey remember like a week ago when the threat of nuclear war wasn't imminent? That was nice.
I'm 99% sure the terrorist attack in kashmir was done by the CIA. I feel like they are trying to provoke a nuclear exchange between 2 nations that wont set off the MAD response as a way to normalize the use of Nuclear weapons. I think this was part of the plan with the war between israel and Iran but Iran didn't take the bait.
I think the USA wants to break the taboo on nukes because they are convinced it is only way america can actually win a war but it wont work if they are seen as the people who started using nukes first.
Oh god. This reminds of that "leftist" former right wing YouTuber that was trying to normalize "tactical nukes" in the Ukraine war a few years back. I forget his name. But that shit was insane. He was getting some spotlight for "leaving the right" and then really made it clear he hadn't.
I'll try to find it.
Adam something?
Yep. That's the name. But no luck finding the video. I just remember watching it and being like "yeah, maybe this guy has some good jabs at Elon Musk but I think I'm done watching with the 'nukes aren't that bad' take"
I don't think it was a video, I remember he made a post about this, maybe a youtube community thing or perhaps I saw it on twitter. He actually wrote an entire lengthy explanation, and didn't stop to think "WTF am I saying" before hitting publish, which is arguably worse than a video.
I mean Pakistan is a crucial part of the BRI, and India is in BRICS. A war between India and Pakistan would be a crippling blow to the alternate economic system that's developing outside the US right now. If this goes nuclear, then Eurasia will be most affected.
Let's all hope that China and Russia's links with India and Pakistan are enough to reign them back in and force them to talk. Sadly I don't expect much sanity from the Hindu supremacists in India and it really feels like they are the ones in the driver seat on this. "Ethno-nationalism, not even once."
I know, despite general racism against south Asians, Hindu supremacists are often treated as "the good ones" within England. Which is to say, I wouldn't be surprised if this is part of a deliberate effort to use India as a proxy to kill more Muslims, without white people taking casualties. That would be on track with how white supremacists usually operate.
I'm hoping that people running India are aware enough to realize that they're not gonna be better off in case of a nuclear holocaust.
This would be an incredibly stupid plan—if they start launching nukes there’s a reasonably high chance that someone else’s detection systems will cause preemptive launches and that’s all folks! Even if that didn’t happen, a serious nuclear exchange between India and Pakistan could cause a global famine for years and be nearly as catastrophic.
Of course it's a stupid plan. So was arming the anti-communist mujahideen in Afghanistan and we all know where that went. So was provoking russia in Ukraine. So was imposing tariffs on China. When have warmongers ever cared about collateral damage or things spiraling out of control? When has the stupidity and potential for backlash ever stopped the white supremacist imperialists from doing anything?
Yeah those are all bad, but deliberately provoking a nuclear conflict makes no sense, it’s literally no win. It’s generally accepted that there really isn’t such a thing as a regional or contained nuclear conflict. The other examples are bad, but have a few steps until immediate apocalypse. Even Ukraine with Russia Sabre-rattling about nukes would still have required them to initiate a nuclear conflict on their own. Kashmir is top of the list for how nuclear wars are likely to kick off for last decade.
I’m not saying it’s impossible, but I dunno, you’d have to really ready to dr.Strangelove it up in a mineshaft to green light this.
Dr. Strangelove wasn't comedic fiction it was satire. In other words it was only funny because it was true. Nothing has changed.
Well, I get that? But satire presents exaggerated versions of the truth in order to display the absurdity of that truth. I guess I’m just skeptical that the grifter narcissists currently running things are ready for bunker living, but again, there are bunkers, and the tech/hedge fund set has been very apocalyptically oriented last few years, so perhaps.
The argument I can see for it (from the great power geopolitical perspective) is that it would be a nuclear regional war right in Russia/China’s backyard, and might distract/degrade them. But again, the very high chance of total annihilation inherent in this should immediately discount it as a viable action. But we also live in some sort of hyper reality at this point, so perhaps the capitalist death-drive really is being made real right now.
The advantage usa gains isn't against Russia and China directly. Its against everyone else. usa, Russia and China aren't going to nuke India/Pakistan if they nuke each other. Everyone knows where the missiles are going. If they aren't the target they wouldn't want to set off the MAD cascade. Everyone would just watch.
usa has been proved to be a paper tiger. (they can't even subdue the 10th poorest nation in the world) If they want to force their will on a smaller nation they just can't do it anymore. Their economic weapons have been thwarted and workarounds are in place. Their navy is losing billions of dollars in jets to a nation who's entire air force is a hand full of helicopters. Their tanks and troop carriers have been proven to be 2nd rate and their recruitment is in the toilet. Modern anti air is better than american jets or stealth tech. Regime change and Color revolutions just don't work anymore. The empire's power is slipping through its hands like Jesus holding a marble and everyone is watching.
The one thing that nobody can argue against is the american nuclear arsenal. (Russia and China could but don't want to because it would be messy) But usa can't use nukes to bully people because they have been locked by a unwritten rule that nukes are only to stop people from attacking you. The international rulebook is in the process of being shredded. The ICJ ICC and UN have been trashed by israel. Genocide is back on the table but the one thing that could turn everything around is if america used its nukes offensively. The whole world would turn against them if they crossed that line.
So how do they get past that blockage? How do they get the only tool they have left out of the tool box?
They get someone else to crack the seal first, break the taboo. but it can't be done in a way that brings condemnation. The use of nukes needs to be justified. So if both sides have and use nukes? That's a victimless war crime.
Then usa does a demonstration (which would be Yemen and they'd claim they had a nuke) and then anyone not explicitly protected by a large nuclear power is prey to nuclear blackmail. Canada and greenland would be part of america in months.
we cannot let a cbt gap form
