Cheaper than student loans!

The way I see it is that they're looking to exploit me for as much as they can get, so I have no obligation to treat them with any more respect than that. I don't lie, but I have no problem taking a single instance where I worked next to a couple newbies for an hour and gave them pointers and turning it into "trained and oversaw new hires to ensure proper workflow protocol" on my resume.

I make higher than the median salary working at a factory. I left a job that required a college degree and professional licence that payed less than what I do now. Higher education requirements doesn't always mean higher pay. You might just need to find a unionized factory. The lowest wage at my workplace is $25/hr (CAD). Local minimum wage is $17.20/hr and median wage is $21.83/hr.

I swear being on linked in is like a dating app.

If you're a male in IT, the recruiters that DM you are always hot but likely bots. When you interact with them, they always want to steer you toward jobs that have nothing to do with what you want.

They blue ball you until you get through the interview and then ghost you.

believing they have a degree is useful for telling clients who specifically sometimes ask about the degrees of the people they’ll be working with

I used to work for a company that provided programming consultants for the US military and for defense contractors. The hourly rate we could be billed out at was entirely dependent on highest degree attained, so PhDs could be billed out at the highest rate, followed by Masters, then Bachelors of Science and then Bachelors of Art. It didn't even matter what field your PhD was in, so my company was chock-full of useless people with advanced degrees who got put onto every project and told to just stay home. The worst thing was when they insisted on showing up and doing something.

My college had a professor of communications with a degree from a supposedly ancient (like, 13th century) Italian university. He only got exposed because we had a big ceremony for the newly-hired President of the college, with a procession that featured faculty and alumni walking in an order determined by the age of the oldest institution they were associated with. One of our alumni was a very famous author who was on the faculty at Harvard, and he was like "why am I not the first in line?" He looked up this comm prof's "university" which turned out to be basically a prep school that wasn't even close to being 700 years old. Comm prof was promptly fired, which was kind of a shame because he was actually a really good teacher.

I mean, the textbook wasn’t wrong…

Had to go find a Table of Contents for an MBA textbook

For this thread start at chapter 18

Video game loading screen tips but textbook form.

They have concepts of a theory.

If you keep adding enough master degrees eventually the HR system of some company hiring you will overflow and you'll be CISO in no time.

Tried that, doesn’t work

Do you think there's a correlation between those who process further up the academia tree; and those who enjoy masochism?

I had a 25-year career as a programmer. Not once did I ever have a company I worked for verify my academic or employment histories or even contact my references. I could have put down anything I wanted and it wouldn't have made the slightest difference - my continuing employment was based on my ability to actually do shit.

I'm now a school bus driver and they checked out everything. And of course threw in drug testing and a criminal background check for good measure.

Why the fuck would they fire somebody who did the job well for years?

Well sure, of course. I'm more likely to hire a painter to paint my house if he says he's been in business 20 years, but I'm going to be pissed off it turns out in his first job and he's bad at it.

Used an Excel spreadsheet? You’re now a data analyst. Dabbled in Access? Congratulations, you’re now an experienced database administrator.

I feel personally attacked and simultaneously validated by your analysis.

What’s the consequences of not lying on your resume?

You pass your background check.

Harvard and other major schools make it fairly easy to vet graduates with a call to the registrar's office. Most schools have electronic portals to handle the requests in bulk.

This is an extremely low bar for an HR department to pass.

And it shouldn't be too difficult to avoid getting caught. Most won't bother checking, but if they do, you can always pick some accredited university that went defunct some years ago. It might be impossible to check if even if they wanted to. Then avoid giving details about anything from your college days, and hope a coworker doesn't show up who actually went there.

It’s not that unpopular of an opinion lol

Go take a look at the downvotes I got, versus the updoots that the people are getting by justifying it as "corporations bad, defrauding them good"

So do donors

It's true. I finished grad school well over a decade ago, not once has anyone verified my education. They haven't even requested transcripts.

This is true but it also varies with industry. In defence and parts of the government, potential new hires are likely to receive a full and extensive background check, including academic records and past employment. It's similar for certain areas such as finance and some executive positions, either because it's considered fraud or dishonesty which is considered to make people unsuitable (e.g. in banking) or because the company is trying to manage risks and they want to be sure that they know what skeletons someone has in the closet.

This sort of thing wouldn't get you very far in those industries, and it's certainly not unheard of for people to be fired even after successfully getting the job. A surprisingly large number of people have been walked from high-paying finance jobs because they lied on their application, even months or years after being hired.

Exactly like I described. They shotgun doctored resumes at companies, hoping a few stick and they get paid for it. Getting DMs from these doesn't mean you have job offers. It means someone wants to include you in their barrage-which means they identified you as having a pulse

Nope.

their highly cited papers

Papers are cited.

their qualifications sighted

Qualifications are to be physically seen.

If there is doubt or the qualification can't be physically shown, it's a small mission to follow up with the institution they are alleged to come from—often a fee attached and time involved.

Back when I was in college, the only time you’d wear your own school’s logo was when attending a sporting event. Otherwise, folks always wore some other school’s colors — I think the implication was that they had a significant other attending another university. An unspoken “Yea, I have a boy/girlfriend, but you’ve never met them; they go to a different school.”

There's also a Dead Domain video, that goes into great detail of her other shenanigans, like lying about being a cis woman.

Can't you fake a transcript? Like if they aren't going to check then a fake authentic looking transcript should work right?

Background checks are usually outsourced to another company.

I live in the USA. I use the process I've described on my resume. I've also just landed a new job and started within the last month. When sending out resumes on my latest job search I had a 90% response rate, all for jobs I'd actually like to work at. The job I accepted was after the recruiter that reviewed my resume reached out to me to tell me the role I applied for had been filled but that they had another role that I'd be a fit for in the process of being written and wanted to get the ball rolling so I could be at the front of the interview process for it.

I'd say it's "standard" because people were poorly trained on what to put on their resumes starting in high school and even college. I even used the "standard" before and struggled to land interviews early in my career. It wasn't until about 15 years ago that I did a deep dive into resume writing and job searching techniques that I completely overhauled my resume and started actually getting call-backs/emails and interviews that would eventually wind up in landing jobs that I actually wanted.

Just because something is "standard" doesn't mean it's what we should be doing, or is the right way. The job market has changed over the years and ATSs reviewing resumes meant that people had to figure out how to get past those systems 20 years ago. As LLMs have been added to ATSs it's only gotten harder to get past the initial gate with a resume drop.

A Kagi search for "resume accomplishments vs duties" will give you a plethora of sources discussing this from job seekers, HR professionals, recruiters, and even some university research.