Epic reduce their cut to 0% for the first $1 million in revenue for devs on the Epic Games Store
Epic reduce their cut to 0% for the first $1 million in revenue for devs on the Epic Games Store
Honestly, I completely forgot I had Epic installed on my PC
100% of $0 is still $0.
I'll spend my money on platforms that have proven to respect their customers.
At least Valve takes some of the money that they make from Steam and use it for Steam. You cant run an entire gaming platform based on developers alone, you also need to make it at least somewhat bearable for consumers.
Because they have to, because their store is based in bribing developers for artificial exclusivity in an attempt to hurt Valve for proving that Pig Swiney was a moron a decade ago when he said PC gaming was dead.
This is all a vain attempt by a man child to get back at Gabe, and it’s abso fucking lutely a hilarious delight what an abject failure it all is.
Garbage store with no customer services struggles and burns money, because that’s what’s lazy customer fucking cash grabs should do - burn. Fuck epic, fuck Swiney, and fuck you if you defend them.
Good for them, but until EGS starts being more pro- consumer, I'm not spending a cent there
even if they do become pro-consumer you shouldn't spend there. because it'd be a temporary affair and soon as they win market share from steam it'll disappear.
It s a good start ngl.
What about taking a different route altogether and not be greedy? what about charging a flat fee (your costs plus some profits to run the infrastructure like yearly or monthly). What about not being evil?
There is a huge business opportunity IMO to do just that. Have a store, charge a flat fee, add whatever percentage wire transfers take (1-3%). You make money, you out-compete everyone and you are the good guy.
That would require having a platform worth something. Currently, they sank millions into the community - but in the wrong way. The client still lacks basic features and yet they spend money to buy exclusivity.
Fuck them, they don't deserve shit - praise or money.
I agree with this. What would make people jump from an evil corporation abusing its users and creators to another evil corporation abusing its users and creators.
fuck apple and their customers btw
Sounds like it's time to play through the free games I got before epic folds like a card table and revokes my access to them.
In a sane world, the library could host the people's digital store front with no cuts taken from the sales. Gaming is our culture, we should preserve it. We should collectively own it. We should be free to sell the games without a middleman taking a cut.
As long as Fortnite prints money, Tim gets to cosplay as a consumer crusader.
I think both Steam and Epic will let you generate codes to sell your game yourself, but this will attract a shit load of fraudulent credit card sales, and it's pretty much not worth doing.
I don't have an issue with a platform taking a small cut, but the 30% steam takes is ridiculous.
In this thread a bunch of monopolists tell epic to fuck off so they can keep feeding a monopoly that licenses drm keys to them.
so they can keep feeding a monopoly that licenses drm keys to them.
I guess I don't understand Epic's model. How is Epic different from Steam in this regard?
epic can have a seat at the table when they actually start competing with valve in terms of features and customer service.
I am against monopolistic competition practices and that includes exclusivity deals and predatory pricing.
And as far as I know, Epic does this more than Valve or GOG. Granted, Valve doesn't need to, because they are already the main player, but they also mostly avoided enshittyfication for now.
Granted it is hard to enter a market that is already dominated by another company, but instead of doing those business practices they could offer a better service.
Steam is a monopoly because it is the only one of these platforms to actually be good.
Epic can even beat them if they just improved their store, but they would rather fight other stores so that it would be worse for everyone.
no, it's because they had about a 15 year head start. you think steam started the way it is now? it started as a launcher for steam games and it was worse than ubisoft's launcher.
Steam fans are a cult lol. Invested too much money they hate to admit so now they sing it's praises till they die.
And yet, still, they can go fuck themselves.
Cool, still fuck em though
... and it still won't dent Steam's de-facto monopoly.
I would rather buy a game on steam, or better yet on gog, than giving my money to a company that is trying to make store exclusive games a thing.
Wait, I'm confused. The article is about how Epic won't take a cut to a point. Surely, you're not giving money to Epic if you buy the game on EGS?
Eventhough I adore GOG, they really need to step up their linux support, which is non-existent
So you want to give steam exclusive access to your money because epic wants it? Genius move, really. This won't go badly for you in the next decade.
Steam really needs something like this. Even the first 100k would be a great start for boosting indie devs.
Instead they do the opposite and reward the big players.
Steam actually reduces their cut as you hit certain milestones. For your first $10M in sales, they take that standard 30%. Hit the $10M mark, and their cut drops to 25% for sales between $10M and $50M. Push past $50M, and Steam only takes 20%.
Epic only does it because they know they're the underdog. If that were to one day become untrue they would never do anything like this again.
I mean, yeah.
You sorta figured out competition in marketplaces.
Hey, I'm a social democrat. I'm all for intervening in markets, but for commodity entertainment products competition works pretty well, as you just explained.
They will continue doing it if they need to compete. Capitalism working as intended. Who would've thought
And steam doesn't do it at all.
One approach is objectively better for the little guys than the other.
Steam keeps getting slammed from both sides. They keep getting accused of being a monopoly, , while also getting accused of their rates. But if they drop their rates they get accused of being anticompetitive and monopolistic.
So if they do something similar like Epic, they'll go back to using their monopoly over the market to keep competitors down.
I think ideally the first xk should have somethong like 10% since there's still payment processing fees and such. After that have 30% then go down on huge amount of sales (to keep the big boys happy and on steam)
20% is still way too fucking high for little more than just hosting the games.
The hosting part is like the smallest portion of what valve does.
I dont think the curve would look like this without valves efforts to push linux, so i am a bit forgiving when it comes to them wanting money to do random research and development. So far they have always been making cool stuff with that money.
You are joking, right? The customer support alone (at the level at which it stands, which is very high for Steam) is well worth the price, especially for big players.
I have to give it to Valve, their marketing team is really good.
Do they even have one? I thought it's rare situation when the product speaks for itself.
I assume they mostly just do Steam sale and store organization stuff these days. Maybe they were involved with the SteamDeck but I mostly saw word of mouth for that.
Right?! Nobody ever talks about all the kids they got addicted to gambling. Bang up job, there.
Yeah, lmfao, one of my friends literally only wants to play cs2 because of the free weekly items... It seems that games with elements of gambling always do better than those without it
How many layoffs does that take? /s
TBH I haven't seen evidence that layoffs generate capital. It just fudges cost to revenue ratios to emulate quarterly gains in hopes of appeasing shareholders.
How are they affording this? It can't be a sustainable model, right?
Here's the details on the financials
https://newsletter.gamediscover.co/p/exclusive-the-numbers-behind-epics
They'd been paying a fortune for other ways to get more titles which never panned out. Steam said fuck the little guys so they're trying to capitalize on that right now.
Fortnite, and it's not. The store loses them hundreds of millions of dollars per year.
That's the kind of competition I want. Not a plucky newcomer with fresh ideas, but an industry titan able to burn more money than some companies ever see in an attempt to undercut the competition. They surely aren't factoring this as a deficit to recoup when they pull a massive reversal after securing market dominance. That's never happened in the history of capitalism.
Epic can huff my huffables.
Dont they also get royalties from Unreal Engine?
Easy. On EGS most games don't sell at all, so 0% of $0 is still $0. They get most of their money from Fortnite.
Do they officially support Linux yet? No heroic doesn't count.
Do they officially support Linux yet?
Unreal Engine has official Linux support since ages. Unreal Engine running on Red Hat Enterprise Linux is what movie CGI creators often use these days. It's a highly lucrative market they're not going to give up.
Epic Online Services supports Linux as well: https://dev.epicgames.com/docs/epic-online-services/eos-get-started/platform-support (which includes Easy Anti Cheat)
So when Fortnite and Rocket League have no Linux versions, it's just because of lack of will, not anything technological.
Here's a different take, as a game dev:
Epic actual employs quite a few people who work with Linux. The Unreal engine (and even, to a certain degree, editor) has native support for Linux.
The reasons they're not including Linux support in their store front are two fold:
While Valve's move to push Linux gaming is brilliant for us gamers, it also kind of cements us in their camp.
There is absolutely no reason for Epic to support Linux in anyway, and it absolutely supports their bottom line to attack it.
And, no, it isn't because of any David v. Goliath tale of a little guy standing up to a brute: it's because a fellow giant has decided to ally itself with Linux, and all of us have - invariably - been shuffled into their camp.
I think the Epic Games Store has a place in this world as a niche storefront with limited visibility but higher access to sales profits as a result of that.
They'll never grow to the size of Steam, and that's okay. The largest storefront in the world supports Linux not just on its platform, but by developing tools for everyone that makes Linux gaming viable. That is enough, IMO.
[1] Edit: I was throwing around a made up 0.1% number earlier to indicate what I thought the number'd be - wasn't meant to be factual, and was poorly worded, so I removed that.
But it's the year of... Oh no. Rly? :(
Where are you getting 0.1%? According to Steam Hardware Survey Linux is over 2% of Steam Users. This puts Linux way ahead of Mac which supported by Epic
2 is only true because they refuse to support it, and it's going to be great to see them walk back everything they said once it's too late. More handhelds are going to launch with official steamOS support, and a new batch of steam machines will come eventually, with a much better support.
In the same way they tell how to side load an apk in android, they can could tell you how to install heroic on the deck.
Hell, through 10-20 K to heroic and they will make it for you simple.
There is absolutely no reason for Epic to support Linux in anyway
Except for the fact that their entire technology stack already supports it and making Linux versions of their games is a compilation step away. Their Tencent buddies at One-Notebook would surely make a OneXPlayer with EpicOS. "Comes with Fortnite and get free games each week".
They’ll never grow to the size of Steam, and that’s okay.
EGS has a massive installed base because of Fortnite.
The desperation looks good on you Epic
Unreal Engine could've got us, like, Unreal Tournament. It almost did, in fact, it a little.
Die in eternal fire Epic
Is this an apology for the bad performance issues of UE5?
They’re so desperate to make their store front a thing 😂
It is hilarious.
Epic tried getting users by giving them free games. But that didn't translate to increased sales. And now they are trying to woo developers to abandon Steam, hoping that way customers will be forced to buy from Epic.
They don't understand that developers are on Steam because customers are there. And what does a customer get when they use Epic over Steam?
I just deny the existence of any game that is an Epic Games exclusive title.
They understand that devs are in steam because it's where users are. Do you think they are stupid? There is no much they can do to bring users if there are no games, they are 15-20 years behind Steam in years of existence.
Games that need a third party app to run on Linux
Screwed over is what they get
So true. All they have to do is WAY FUCKING MORE THAN THEY ARE WILLING TO.
Fuck Epic
Yeah yeah, what about making the EGS program not suck for customers? An overglorified browser running on top of unreal engine, no user reviews for games...
The no user reviews is a terrible choice. I don't understand why they wouldn't have them. Maybe they're afraid of spam on Fortnite. But I can't imagine reviews on Fortnite would matter all that much.
That's pretty cool, actually. Sorely needed in the current economic climate. Good for them.
I wish their software and platform were a lot better to go along with this, but in isolation this is great.
So what does Steam's revenue share look like in comparison?
Steam takes 30% at first, and there is a discount after tens of millions of dollars in sales.
Steam offers a ton of benefits for game companies through steam, such as the Friends list, reviews, having a way to show live play from the store page, and a bunch of other things. There is a reason that everyone is flocking to steam, and that 30% cut isn't keeping anyone away.
Plus steam input, remote play, play together, trophies, hell there's a whole API for you to use to make your game multiplayer and have it integrate with steam friends easily. So much built in for devs lives to be easier.
Just check out steam works. There's so much for developers
User base and brand loyalty
Nothing about what Valve does but you can’t afford to not be on Steam even though it’s the inferior product
That’s why EOS works with any platform
This goes along with their 0% engine fees, only surprising thing is that this wasn’t always in place
This is great and it's not like they have shit revenue splits anyway as last I checked it was 88/12 which is by far the best around.
Fortnite kids will sustain them. Gotta darken those patterns just a little...
I've not used Epic games store much at all but I could see this leading to a proliferation of garbage on their service if they take the Steam approach of just letting anyone publish on there. This would essentially be an incentive to publish asset flip shovelware on Epic instead of Steam because "devs" get a bigger cut.
They actually take the time to approve the games coming to their store, unlike Valve...
No one cares.
I hate epic too but game devs do
Oh yeah. I forgot I have an Epic account.
Can epic stop the virtue signaling?
Eh, I've mostly moved over to Godot for actual game making
This is for the store, not the engine.
