ICE Can Now Enter Your Home Without a Warrant to Look for Migrants, DOJ Memo Says

Well, constitutionally, they can't for whatever that's worth now.
That bold faced liar can go right to hell.
- Looking forward to this being challenged in a state with Stand Your Ground laws where warrantless trespassing is legally the same as any other trespassing.
  I'm personally opposed to lethal force being used to protect property in general, but there are places where that is essentially legal due to Stand Your Ground laws.
  
  Your opposed to it, but now you also see the sole reason the 2nd exists. If ever the government does something like warrantless trespassing, it's our civic duty to use our 2nd amendment rights to remind them we oppose tyranny. That said, never thought this would happen in our lifetimes. Worlds a changing.
  
  Thus far these bozos have demonstrated a pattern of showing up without uniforms, with masks on, refusing to identify themselves, show badges, or produce warrants.
  This is needless to say an incredibly stupid thing for them to do, especially if they plan to also go around kicking in people's doors. I personally know an old man who got off the hook for shooting a state cop in my area who tried the same. I think the only hope the Dummkstaffel here has of making a charge stick against a homeowner who blows one of them away will be to somehow make it Federal, because otherwise I think the state courts -- especially in blue areas -- are not going to treat any warrantless door-kicking by nonuniformed armed men who refuse to identify themselves very kindly.
  Edit to add: You're also not protecting your "property" in such a case, you are protecting your person, which is a very different thing both legally and ethically. If the alternative is that you're going to be whisked away without due process to a death camp in El Salvador, your only rational course of action is to stand and fight -- especially in your own home.
  
  Well, the immigration official can sign the warrant themselves, so… still a warrant if I’m hearing right. But, a super fucked up warrant nonetheless.
- Doesn’t seem like it really matters if the courts rule against it. The judicial branch has no enforcement mechanism, and no one seems to be willing to escalate.
  
  Yes they do. The US Marshall service is considered the judicial armed police force. Though at the moment they enforce immigration as one of their functions they would be the ones to arrest federal cops for doing unconstitutional (illegal) shit in theory.
- Sounds like something an illegal alien would say..... /s

Where are the 2A advocates when you need them.
- Silently supporting this... After all the babies we sacrificed at school to keep their guns under threat of tyranny... Well it's freaking here and where are they? Oh being the disingenuous bags a shit they have always been
- SRA, strapped at all times. Can’t do much with small numbers
  
  My MIL went from being an anti-gun democrat to going with my partner and I for shooting lessons this weekend. It's never publicized, but if you keep your head up, you can see the winds change.
  Edit, because I realized I was unclear: This administration woke her up to the dangers of disarming the workers. She's moved farther left.
- Right fucking here. Notice they're picking on people highly unlikely to fight back? Come for my brown, legal-migrant wife, see what happens.
  
  You're going to get into a firefight with federal cops with your wife around? Genuinely asking what the "find out" part is
- Right here.
  Shoot 'em in the dick.
  Even if they have full-coverage soft armor, and not just a plate carrier, that's gonna drop 'em instantly. Can't walk with a 9mm through your pelvis, and there are a lot or arteries going through there.
  Also, I'm a certified basic pistol instructor; if any of y'all are looking for non-chuds to get some basic training from, look up the Liberal Gun Club, the Socialist Rifle Association (altho competency varies a lot from chapter to chapter), or Operation Blazing Sword.
  
  What lists do feds put you on for joining those
- Based on your instance, I'm going to have to assume you're Canadian and thus not informed on the minuta of state level politics and how they vary state to state. Some of the 2a people love going balls deep on authoritarian cock not all of us.
- We're here.

uses an obscure 18th-century law — the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 — to give law enforcement nationwide the power to bypass basic constitutional protections
...That's not how the relationship between laws and the Constitution works.
Journalists don't need to just print both sides arguments and throw their hands up like determining truth is beyond them. Don't print lies and falsehoods without immediately pointing out they're lies and falsehoods. They didn't find a glitch in the system that maybe the courts will patch eventually, they're making up unlawful justifications to violate constitutional rights. Yeah, constitutional rights aren't going to save you from the violation, but we all need to know and establish that it's a violation in advance. ICE could always enter your home without a warrant, they just couldn't do it legally, and a memo from fascist Barbie hasn't changed that.
- Still waiting on those nuts to step up to what they said they were keeping guns for.
  
  No no those guns were to make sure they don't end up on the bottom.
  
  You can go exercise your rights too.
  Learn to shoot, might not be long before they’re kicking in your door.
  I’m not going to some El Salvadoran death camp. If I’m gonna get killed by my own government, I’m going down swinging. Maybe I’ll take a few of the bastards with me.
  
  Why?
  Are you unarmed and regretting your anti gun political beliefs as you run head first into this brick wall of reality?
- Your mistake is thinking that the media in the US employ journalists. They're oligarch controlled propaganda machines.
  
  Not great
  Hey that 60 Minutes producer quit because he couldn’t run the show independently anymore, so apparently sometimes oligarchs didn’t have complete control yet

Republicans would have turned in Anne Frank. This is truly some gestapo shit.
- Republicans would be the ones looking for Anne Frank.
  
  The hypotheticals have run out of runway. They're here.
- Shit, Republicans would re-crucify Jesus as woke and harboring criminals.

So... where is that outrage from preppers and gun enthusaists of the government barging into their homes?
Can you image if Biden, Obama, or even Bush did this?
There would literally be a massive armed mob outside the White House.
Turns out guns are useless in the face of propaganda, I guess.
- See they are not coming for their guns, so there does not appear to be a problem. Yet.
- Turns out guns are useless in the face of propaganda, I guess.
  This is the real takeaway. Orwell was right about a lot of shit, but the use of language as a means of control was extra prescient.

- Correct. At this point a few ICE agents need to be treated as armed intruders and dealt with.
  We don't do this in an armed society ... it's why we are armed.
  
  It's a bold move Cotton, let's see how this test of the 2nd amendment plays out.
- the executive branch must abide by the law as it’s written
  That's adorable.
  Arm yourselves.

Having read the title and also the whole article.... Let me say. The fuck no you can't. Let's get letigious or let's get the vests. I've got over 200 years of jurisprecisence and the moral high road. We can skip the cultural perogative if you really want to. Or in this case you can endorse it. It doesn't matter to me. as a cisgender white male and, and prolific gun owner, who is utterly tired of this already, let's fuckin go. I've been waiting and i've finally got the perfect set up to tell you how many ways you can blow it out your ass.
Disgusting anti American anti constitutional blowhards all of them.
- Love this energy. Get litigious first. The thugs like violence, but they cant win at court - at least not without their favourite judges.
  
  This prescident isn't giving time to be litigious first. They will be in your home before you can dial 911, whom is likely helping this happen.
  
  Haha thanks. I'll be honest. That post was made with a fair bit of unintentional inebriation, but I stand behind it. Don't do social media and imbibe, kids. But the message maintains. I've got a whole lot of privilege that the world said I should be careful and mindful of. I've been polite and aware and I've sincerely tried to not abuse it. I know how my lot in life has been easier than most . But now I'm ready to take full advantage of that. Let's fuckin go and let's make them write more checks their asses can cash. Because collection day is very very close.
- While I’m on board, as a white cisgender male who can afford a lawyer, the problem comes when you add it to the other human rights violations of this administration. What are you going to do when guys in ski masks and overwhelming force break down your door and kidnap you out of the country. Then claim “it’s not possible to give everyone a hearing”, much less an appeal or any other due diligence? Nor can they send anyone back, even when they were wrong
  It may only be for “those people” so far but we’ve arrived at gestapo midnight raids to fill concentration camps
- LOL "anti American"
  It is the most american thing ever.

Shoot all trespassers.
- Badge or not, without a warrant it’s straight breaking and entering. Treat them as any common criminal breaking into your home since they are just cosplaying LE at that point

A "memo". A fucking memo. No, this is a violation of the Constitution. Fuck your memo.

Can't wait to see it clash when someone blows away an ICE agent in a castle state
- The person who would that, if they are somehow still alive, will be crucified by the state.
  
  Yep
  
  No way. The courts would set them free.
- Once upon a time, German authorities decided to raid the home, or rather estate, of the local Hell's Angel boss. Police (SEK) came up to the door in civilian clothes and balaclavas, announced themselves as police. Boss inside panics, thinks it's a rival gang trying to take him out, grabs a shotgun, shoots a police through the door. Ultimately gets apprehended.
  Police file murder charges. State attorney downgrades that to manslaughter. Judge says "WTF that was self defence if police don't want to get shot through the door they shouldn't be running around ringing doorbells in civilian clothes and balaclavas anybody can shout 'police open up!'". Still got nailed for illegal possession of firearms on top of everything else he was wanted for, of course. Welcome to German law where you can legally stand your ground with a full auto but are not allowed to own one.
  
  Better to be judged by 12, than carried by 6.

Considering ICE likes to abduct people in masks, civilian clothing and without any identification and thus are easily confused with burglars, i'd say shoot on sight for trespassing would be a viable option.

weird question, do i have to be black to join the black panthers
- You can buy a gun and practice. Start a club with your neighbors.
  
  There are clubs for every group you can imagine. Find one and protect yourself.
- You might be better off looking into something like the Socialist Riffle Association and if they have a chapter in your area. No idea how good they are but I'm in the DSA and some people mention them as an option.
- The Black Panthers arming themselves because of (I hope you're sitting down) police brutality is why assault weapons were first banned in California. Backed by Democrats, Republicans, and the NRA, and signed into law by Governor Ronald Reagan. I'm talking about The Mulford Act.
  Just so you know how it's going to go.

"According to the memo, agents can break into a home if getting a warrant is “impracticable,” and they don’t need a judge’s approval."
They're going to have a fun time here in Oregon:
https://oregon.public.law/statutes/ors_161.219
"a person is not justified in using deadly physical force upon another person unless the person reasonably believes that the other person is:
(1) Committing or attempting to commit a felony involving the use or threatened imminent use of physical force against a person; or
(2) Committing or attempting to commit a burglary in a dwelling; or
(3) Using or about to use unlawful deadly physical force against a person. [1971 c.743 §23]"
- Fellow Oregonian here and i love that you posted this!! Thank you!
- They really haven’t thought this out long-term. The Panthers knew a thing or two about gun rights and the right to self-defense. These Nazi policies are endangering the state’s monopoly on violence.
- Thanks. I have two guns in my home and will be keeping them close by and loaded.
  No kids, just in case anyone was worried.

Read as: Enter your home under the false pretense they're looking for migrants, so they can search for any reason to charge you with a crime and toss you in a camp.
- Sounds like a second amendment solution.
  
  violent problems require violent solutions.

“Fuck your rights.” the party who claims to love the constitution

a “reasonable belief” that someone might be part of a Venezuelan gang is enough.
Considering they've actively deported someone for having a tattoo that supports autism awareness as evidence of being a Venezuelan gang member, the fact I had a burrito for lunch today is probably an equally "reasonable belief" for them.
This is an alarming suspension of all of the protections of the Constitution if this is allowed to stand.
- Hey, this guy had a burrito, let's get him! Also, we may as well pick up his family at the same time, and his neighbors if they make a fuss!
  
  Don't forget to shoot my dog before you leave. /s
- I have a temporary tattoo, one of the plant ink ones that last for up to 2 weeks. It's a derpy black cat. Probably a Venezuelan gang symbol.
  
  Probably a terrible idea ... but ... someone/people should hand out temporary MS13 tattoos at protests. Organize it so everyone can get one.
  
  Straight to CECOT with you! /s

Remember when democrats got all heated about G Gordon Liddy saying “if the feds come to your door, shoot them in the head” (to account for body armor)?
I don’t know why that popped into my head just now.
- Don't do that.
  Shoot them in the dick.
  Seriously.
  The lower abdomen is chock full o' arteries, and a hit on the pelvis is going to instantly drop someone; you can't walk with a pelvis that's been shattered by a 9mm. It's also generally an easier target.
  
  Leg meta
  
  I like your ideas.
  
  Buckshot to the belt buckle.
  
  BRB. Going to invest in Kevlar cod pieces.
  
  A fair point, and head shots are notoriously difficult. Low center mass will hurt like fuck even if the armor goes down that far.
  
  https://youtube.com/shorts/XbYZhMMLHGo
  
  I would like to add, if they are in the process of breaking your door, and you have thin walls, shoot through the wall next to the door where they are likely waiting to start filing in.

The memo and policy are not meant to survive Constitutional challenge. It facially and clearly violates it:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
No, this is meant to give the veneer of an arguably defensible policy, a temporary measure. And why would that be enough? Well, one possibility is that after a period of time it will not to matter anymore.
When wouldn't it matter anymore? Oh, say - just throwing this out there - if it ties the issue up in courts long enough for Trump to secure permanent dictatorial power after harassing or disappearing political opponents and judges.

If a bunch of armed guys in masks show up refusing to identify themselves or provide warrants, what do you think most people would assume they are???
In a country with more guns than people, this seems line an insanely stupid tactic that guarantees preventable tragedies.
Warrants get rubber stamped on a regular basis, the argument that it's suddenly too onerous a burden and they're just allowed to ignore our constitutional rights is pretty fucking absurd too.
- law enforcement isn't known for it's critical thinking
- It's the rubber stamping that is the problem. Sometimes they get a talking to when they get too rambunctious and kill a few innocent bystanders. Now there's no rules to bind them, so have at er!

Ok let me get this straight. There's no legal migrant anymore?
- When did they mention migrants at all? The way this is written up is that anyone can be acted upon, all it requires is a "reasonable belief" that someone might be part of a Venezuelan gang. And lets face it, if they have their way no one will be checking anyone's documents before, during or after these raids.
- actually anyone can be "considered illegal" they left enough vagueness in the policy.

The law nerd in me is intrigued by the idea of a Third Amendment issue arising in the wild.
The citizen in me is horrified that they'd even fucking try.
- The 4th Amendment, against unreasonable search & siezure is the more appropriate one. The 3rd prohibits the government from forcing people to house soldiers. Its very rarely invoked, and SCOTUS has never ruled on it.
  The 4th has been litigated often, and it REQUIRES probable cause, and a warrant signed by a judge. This nonsense is a blatant violation, and will not pass SCOTUS.

The second amendment says that they can’t
- The 2nd is most definitely a recommendation that they tread pretty damn lightly with this one.

Are people going to stand their ground when this happens?
- There's a fair amount of instances of cops no-knocking and getting put on a T-shirt. Honestly, no-knocks were a super stupid concept and never ever should have taken off the way they did. ICE just barging in because "I am the warrant" is going to get a lot more cops pictures posted on GoFundMe
  
  Fun fact, because no-knock and nighttime raids on armed suspects have always been a stupid idea, some states outright prohibit them. Even people as dumb as our legislators have been able to figure this out, albeit after many years of the blowhard infantry washouts who habitually pack our local police forces getting themselves popped.
- 100%

Put a bullet in the head of an ICE agent, see how many wanna go inside a home.

If anyone forces their way into my house without a warrant, they are getting shot.

Like fuck they can.
I'm not fucking going to El Salvador.

In California remember you have Castle Doctrine. Protecting yourself, your home, and property from unwarranted unannounced invasions from ANYONE allows you to use deadly force if available
- Wait. CA allows the Castle Doctrine?
  A quick search shows it does. I'll be damned.
  
  I'll be damned as well.
  Worth noting for any Californians that it u-turns if the person stops being a threat. If you threaten and they run away, you're now in the wrong if you shoot.
- ...Except cops. You do not have a legal right to resist illegal actions by police. The ONLY state where that's a legal right is Indiana. Look, I get it, you should have that right everywhere, but if you shoot a cop that's illegally breaking into your home, you will be arrested, charged, and convicted, IF you survive. And you probably won't.
  Should you shoot them anyways? Absolutely. Just understand what the result will be.
  
  This article implies that you wouldn't be breaking the law if you shot a cop entering your home unannounced and without a warrant:
  https://campbelllawobserver.com/cops-not-robbers-the-clash-between-no-knock-warrants-and-the-castle-doctrine/
  It also says that the cops are allowed to kill you, so having followed the law and being innocent will be small comfort.
  
  What makes a cop a cop? Could we establish a new town, which would of course have its own police department, and everyone in that town is part of the department.
  Yes, it's a bit of a facetious question. But we are entering very stupid times.
  
  Well shit too bad Indiana hates my kind
- Guess I need to move to CA.

It's totally fine everyone. Obviously this would only ever happen to poor people or bad people or other people /s.
Seriously though, where the fuck are all the people screaming about freedom?

Reminder that many states have "STAND YOUR GROUND" laws that include protecting you in the event you shoot someone claiming to be a federal agent who doesn't produce badges or a warrant.
- Funny you think people will still get a fair trial (or even a trial at all instead of a bullet or "accident") in the United States after shooting someone from the regime.
- it's encouraging to see Americans who still believe the law means anything. I hope you manifest it back into existence.

Enter my home without a warrant or identifying yourself, and your gonna leave in a casket.
I've also explained to my family that we do not open the door to anyone, especially people who claim to be cops. Way too easy to claim it, then force their way in while your waiting for them to prove who they are.
- I think trump is a fwit, but sounds like there will be more than 1 bodybag leaving.
  Not a good survival strategy for your family honestly....
  Better off moving somewhere safe like Australia. No guns here. No idea why anyone would want to live in that shit hole anymore with all the corruption, shitty leaders, dangerous living environment, and uneducated idiots in charge
  
  The way I see it, if ICE is trying to come into my home without a warrant, then they already intend for me to die. I'm a white natural born US citizen, but I've made my stance on kings in this country pretty clear, so a visit from the SS is a factor I have to be ready for. I'd rather die at home, taking a many of them with me as I can, then quietly allowing them to send me to a death camp, if I had to choose.
  We don't want to live here right now, but we don't have the finances to leave. So instead, we're going to protect our home, and continue to support and participate in the actions against tyranny that we can. Protests, pressure on other elected officials to resist as well, etc.
  Edit: Besides, if evil comes to your country and knocks at your door, shouldn't you fight it?

Can't wait to hear people like Alex Jones defend this. Can't wait for every sovcit to defend this. Can't wait for every Gadsden flag flag and bumper sticker to defend this.

Land of the free.
- Home of the Depraved

Things are getting to a terrifying level.. 😭

And yet people keep telling me Democrats are just as bad.
- Those GOSH DARN Democrats keep trying to feed and house immigrants with MY TAX DOLLARS.
  Instead of putting them in cages and throwing them in prison. (AGAIN WITH TAX DOLLARS.)
- Nobody says that. But you can pretend they do.
  Can't speak for anyone else, but it was quite literally word for word what my co-worker said the day after the election.
  
  And yet that ignores reality.

Incidentally, it's perfectly legal to own a mounted gatling gun on the top of your property.
- Sure is, as long as it's crank operated! Dakka-dakka-dakka-dakka-dakka-dakka...
  
  What the devil?!

Gestapo did it first.

- There is no "legal" in America now. RESIST

Yeah what you need to do is 2nd amendment some of those house invaders under the castle doctrine of your State
- I'm sure they will only apply castle doctrine to non members of the state. So if you shoot an ice officer breaking into your house, without a warrant. They will still be found guilty of murder, if they are somehow taken alive.

Good to know that a Stetson University law degree isn’t worth the paper its printed on.

Oh well. The not-at-all-obscure law I'm using states they better use hearing protection. Gunshots is loud.

"Hiel Trump" is required when people meet in public or private. Any hesitation must be treated with aggressive concern and reported to all, immediately. This is the only way to keep America safe from (insert current list of threats).

Bang bang bang.

Oh, I literally just remembered my Mexican ex-roomie still gets his mail sent to my house
Well, everyone, the gun kept by the door for this exact reason is looking more and more like Im right to have it... Fuck
- Keep it ready, but make sure it is also safely secured as well.

Fun Fact: In Indiana, you can legally convert ICE agents into a fine red mist if they try this.
They have no legal protections while breaking the law.
- Problem is... It then gets reduced to you shooting at people, and people shooting at you. That's seems like lose lose situation.
  
  I mean, if you're going to die anyway, might as well take some assholes with you.
  
  And dying in a concentration camp in El Salvador is a lose win situation

By the time they enter, if they do, it will no longer be my home. It will belong to my estate. Fuck this admin. I hope we survive it and learn from it, at least until the next century when we will have forgotten about it again.

Yeah uhm the word "migrants" is written on a removable label ... fill in whichever citizen category you want to drag out of their houses...
- You don't fill in labels, you're sorting punch cards.

This is a blatant violation of the 4th Amendment, and they are counting on the Supreme Court to back then, which they won't. Then they'll just ignore the Supreme Court, and do it anyway.
- Which is why everyone needs to be arming themselves and open-carrying at protests moving forward.
  
  Agree. They need to be extremely afraid of us. Politicians are greedy cowards, and they only respond to money and fear. We don't have money to bribe them like the Sociopathic Oligarchs, so we have to make their fear of us overwhelm their greed.

For some reason, I keep thinking that people used to booby trap their doors to discourage these types of activities. I vaguely think this was an IRA thing?
Not sure if it actually happened or it was just something from a movie, but I'm curious what would happen after a few ICE raids were turned into meat sauce by door mounted claymores.
- The reason it's illegal, is to protect firefighters and paramedics in case they need to enter a home.
  
  What if this hypothetical booby-trap happens to be a fire suppression system that dispenses BandAids after ejecting the fascist piglets back out the front door at 300psi?
- It's illegal. And they wouldn't change their policies.
  They don't care about their agents.
- I have a snake by my door. She's a completely harmless sweetheart, but nothing makes people think twice like answering the door while holding a snake.
- But if you put that energy into better securing your door, you’d have a much cheaper solution that doesn’t hurt firefighters (they may not be able to save your ass but that’s your choice) and make it much more difficult, time consuming, and noisy to get in.
  One of those vertical bars into the floor ought to do it

MAGNA Make America Nazi again
- Always has been

This is fucked.

The only time the Alien Enemies act should be used is in an extreme emergency: Say, for example, an orange man wanting to press a big red button to burn the world to cinders.
ICE, if it truly wanted to do things the right way, can do the 'practicable', by waiting for judges and their juries to render judgement. As we have clearly seen, ICE doesn't measure up to even basic sense nor decency. Here's hoping that ICE is broken by the people, for the people.

I said we would have late night, door to door searches by year's end,
They're running early

I FULLY Support this! If the Founders KNEW what the Future held they WOULDNT have written the Constitution the Way they Had!
-Pro Life Americans who FERVENTLY Defend School Shooters after they MURDER a School full of 6 Year Olds because the Founders could NEVER be Wrong!