Voters today

Wow, all those third-party voters are really grumpy in these comments.

Are we really still doing this?
Honestly it seems like liberals hate their own base more than the reactionaries they are supposedly the opposition to
Actually that tracks, since most of the DNC has been flirting with reactionary commentators and billionaires while actively criticizing the one part of their party actually building momentum
- No. It’s the wedge throwing SatansMaggotyCumFart’s post. They love dividing the left.
  
  It's just good praxis when you divide the electorate and usher in a fascist regime that will kill millions, but 'divisive' when you criticize that?

Pointless statements from liberals who are too busy trying to find someone to blame to do anything useful about the galloping fascism in their midst.
- Seriously. Same old useless shit as always.
- Luckily the millions of protest nonvoters are taking action to stop this fucked situation.
  Right?
  Oh, no, wait, people like me are fucked because it was never anything other than posing for purity points with your online friends.
  And if we have actual elections in 2028, none of you will learn a goddamn thing.
  The blood of millions doesn't matter a single goddamn whit to any of you so long as you can talk about LIBS BAD.
  
  I'm less worried about the voters than the party that tries to appeal to its opposition rather than its own base. The Democrats deliberately threw the election again, imo.
- Fuck you people for opening the barn door. We're sick of cleaning up your mess.
- It's wild that they're angry at people for not wanting to be complicit w a genocide rather than the people who forced us to choose between 2 genociders or even the genociders themselves.
  
  Yeah. its like there were two choices and everything that has happened so far was predicted over and over and STILL people voted for a lotto win vs stopping the worst case. Given the international meddling, it makes the clueless gits more hapless.

Obviously the solution is for more people to vote third party
- Not without an elimination of FPTP ya don't.
  
  Actually, having a progressive party and a conservative party would be far better than having a conservative party and fascist party.
  
  Mexico & Sheinbaum prove that this is not true
- If enough people vote third party than they are voting for a major party again.
- Then maybe a 3rd party should get off their fucking asses and start getting some representatives elected locally, so that they can eventually have EVEN ONE representative in Congress, so that maybe some day voting 3rd party for president isn't the dumbest fucking thing imaginable.
  
  People that vote third party, don't down ballot vote or vote in mid-terms. They don't even vote in primaries. Example: Bernie.

I swear to God it's the same 5 accounts on Lemmy posting this horse-shit take.
Like - all the third party voters combined would not have kept Trump out of office. Give it up. It's nonsense and frankly pretty sad.
- I sorta disagree.
  I think the campaign used to push people third party encouraged others to just not vote.
  
  Even IF that's true it's still terrible. What do you think? You're gonna chastise people into agreeing with you? Is some "holier-than-though" attitude gonna do it?
  Really just seems like a circlejerk
- It's also a false statement.
  The final numbers show Trump with 2.3 million more votes. 77.3 million (49.8%) vs 75 million (48.3%) of the total vote. Third part candidates, including write-ins, were 2.13% of the vote. 2.97 million people voted third party or write in. This is also not counting the 90 million that didn’t vote but where registered.
  If every single third party voter voted Harris, she would have won.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_and_independent_candidates_for_the_2024_United_States_presidential_election
  
  That's.... Not how US elections work. Otherwise Hillary would've won 2016
  Looking at the state results it doesn't appear that any state would've flipped blue if all third party voters excluding Robert Kennedy and Oliveros (libertarian) voters because they definitely would not have gone Harris went Harris. Even if you count the right wing 3rd party ones she only would've won 2 more states and still lost.
  If we used the popular vote I definitely would've voted Harris, but as it is Trump was going to win my state by huge margins so I just voted who I really wanted knowing it made no difference. In races other than president I went Dem.
- Yes. They would have.
  
  No, they really would not have.
  At best if you generously count right wing third party voters too (like Robert Kennedy voters) she would've won two more states but that would not have won her the election.
- Yeah, I'm pretty set on blaming anyone that voted for Trump. I do get annoyed by people that voted third party or just not at all, but its not their fault by any means. Even though the latter combined would have made a difference, it was republican states that withheld hundreds of thousands from the ability to vote, and that mixed with people that voted for the Republicans cutting voting rights are the source of the problem.
- all the third party voters combined would not have kept Trump out of office.
  THEY DIDN'T FUCKING KNOW THAT WHEN THEY VOTED!!!

It's the two party system in a post. Don't worry, your democracy is dead either way. Whether engaging in TPS or ignoring it for a fart in a blizzard vote, it's all far too late.

Keep trashing them, that will bring em over.
- They need to understand that their logic is flawed. If they won’t, they will not make the right choice anyhow.
  🤷
- Well. Facts didn't work. Pleading with them didn't work. Now we all have to suffer because of their stupidity.
  Yeah, I'm moving on to calling them fucking idiots.
  I've spent countless hours trying to logically explain basic concepts to conservatives and 3rd party voters, some of whom are my actual friends and family, so I treat them with respect when I speak to them.
  Trust me when I say you are NOT going to convert them.
  The only hope is catching people with logic and facts when they're young and first developing their political opinions.
  Our economy is now tanking because of these fools. Yet another economic crisis in my lifetime. Fuck them. I'm sick of their pathetic, stupid shit.
  
  Did you try fielding a decent candidate? No. You brought pro genocide candidates. There's no logic to fix that, my friend. The DNC and RNC defend their funders, and third party voters understand this.
  
  https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.36LT4WK
  Third-Party votes were not the balance of this election. That is complete and utter lie on your part. Even if every single Third Party voter voted for Harris she would not have had enough votes to win. Not that Libertarians were going to go for her in any case.
  
  Our economy is now tanking because of these fools
  Funny how these accusations were relatively absent for the last three months while visa and green card holders were shipped off to labor camps in El Salvador, but as soon as Trump does some shit to tank the economy, that's when the knives come out
  Liberals will defend the same problematic capital structures as republicans - change my mind.

I feel sorry for Americans. The best of the 2 viable parties is a party keen on supplying a genocide, and somehow if you vote 3rd party you're more responsible than said genocide suppliers, even worse republicans, and non-voters. That's wild.
The uncomfortable reality is that you aren't gonna solve your country's problems in the voting booths. Good luck to you, genuinely.
- The uncomfortable reality is that you aren’t gonna solve your country’s problems in the voting booths
  Until the majority of liberals in our country realize this, it's doubtful our problems will be solved at all
- 3rd party voters aren't worse non voters, and definitely are not worse than maga voters. If you honestly couldn't stomach voting for the Dems, that's your right and your choice. If you have accepted the consequences of your actions, then I can disagree with you but I don't hate you. The only ones worse than maga are the public masterbators who try to pretend like the Democrats made them do it, or how they were doing something noble, or teaching the Dems a lesson.
  I am not the type to kink shame people, but I really don't want to be part of whatever weird masochistic justice warrior public flagellation shit they are trying to get off to. I didn't and I don't consent, so they can fuck right off that shit.
  
  I mean, from an outsider point of view, it looks like people who voted a 3rd party voted for what they believed. People who voted dems voted against what they believed trying to win and then are projecting some "justice warrior" idea onto who voted what they actually wanted to vote. I rarely see someone saying they voted 3rd party, but I often see it used as a scorn by dems... I doubt people would brag about it since it basically makes people react like you: "I don't hate you" proceeds to insult an imaginary justice warrior that is supposedly voting a 3rd party lol

I voted for myself

I voted for Kodos

I'm not going to blame the 3rd party voters. At least they voted.
Put your anger towards those who couldn't even be bothered to do so.
- How about both?
  Yeah, non-voters are the dumbest of the dumb. Period.
  But if you voted 3rd party in a PRESIDENTIAL election, you're a goddamn idiot.
  
  It basically means they don’t understand the rules of the game. If they are willing to learn, cool, but many are not.
  
  No? My vote for President literally does not matter in California. I voted for Harris because Fuck Trump, but my vote doesn't mean shit in this state. I literally have more value voting 3rd party than I do for either major candidate because of how the Federal Election Funding requirements work for 3rd parties.
- Put your anger towards those who couldn't even be bothered to do so.
  Why? The election was won and lost in swing states, and voter turnout in swing states was roughly the same in 2024 and 2020.
- 3rd party voter here. Let's stop hating fellow poors and collectively hate the rich and powerful who are really responsible
  
  Nah, fuck the MAGA folks.
  
  How about you put on your thinking cap and understand why voting 3rd party in a presidential election is fucking pointless?

Alienates voter base by refusing to meet constituent demands or running a proper primary
"It must be these damn 3rd party voters, that's why we lost every single swing state"

How long will I have to drag out this meme? It's April...
- And now we have someone that is both genocidal AND ultra-fascist. Great job.
- "Don't vote for the genocidal Dems. Vote for the more genocidal GOP or don't vote at all in protest." - Stupid Fucking Fuckheads
- It sure is a good thing that “genocidal candidate” lost thanks to you, isn’t it?
  And hey.. when taking that giant whiff of all those rosy farts of yours, go ahead and give yourself a moment to congratulate yourself with a pat on the back for having saved Palestine from what would have been so much genocide!
  فلسطين مباركة
- Keep dragging it out. I appreciate when people wear a sandwich board that proudly declares "The Person Wearing This Is An Idiot."

Someone: "I voted for what I belive in, which one of course should be able to do in a well functioning democracy"
Lemmy: "Nooooo you gotta vote for this one and only option, it's the only way to protect our democracy (????)"
Guys the third party voters is not the problem, the two party system is. Come on. Voting third party or is a valid and important statement. Voting major party is legitimising an undemocratic system.
Riot against your government on the streets. That's where you make the big difference - not in the voting booth.
- Name checks out
- Fine, then riot in the streets with a Democrat in office instead of the racist bigoted nation destoyer.
  
  I don't get why people don't understand this. With a Democrat in office, you can protest and push for change. It's happened for plenty of past presidents. When an authoritarian is in office, people disappear when protesting. People forget Kamala Litterally said she would push for a ceasefire. LINK.
  But no People thought Donald "Let Israel finish them off" Trump was somehow the same.
- This is so true, especially since the Democatic party does the same things the GOP does, just a little more civil. The Biden admin sent bombs to Israel, persecuted striking workers and refused to codify Roe vs. Wade (amongst a ton of other things). Both parties are bought by billionaires and act in their interest, I don't get how anyone could justify voting dems over third party