Dow drops 1,200 as US stock market leads a worldwide sell-off following Trump's tariff shock
Dow drops 1,600 as US stocks lead worldwide sell-off after Trump’s tariffs cause a COVID-like shock
On one side, this is awesome because companies should tend to the needs of their customers instead of investors.
On the other, fuck my retirement fund
Do you think Trump, Musk and their oligarch insider friends maybe, just maybe, opened short positions on a bunch of stock ahead of the new tariff announcement?
This is my thought exactly.
I watched Steven Colbert yesterday saying that this large of a fuck up is proof there is no deep state. While I get his point, I disagree. If there is someone in the shadows pulling strings this was the intended outcome.
It's pretty well known that in trading markets, there's almost always something that goes up when everything else drops like a rock. Even as such, moving money to be liquid right before a steep drop off, then buying up all the formerly high-value stocks at bargain basement pricing, and just waiting for the rebound, is a legit strategy. Having foreknowledge of such an action is considered insider trading however. Realistically, insider trading is difficult to prove unless the perpetrator is an idiot.
Whether you call it the deep state or the 1% or oligarchs, or simply "rich assholes", if you believe there is a group orchestrating things, then you beat believe this was the intended outcome.
Nothing needs to go up. Shorting stocks lets you make money off of them when they go down. If a person or group of people can cause a crash and know in advance what day it's happening, they can borrow stocks and then buy the stock to repay the loan at a lower price and pocket the change.
Stocks go down because cash goes up
Another one from 2012:
Unfortunately, this one wasn't a real tweet. It seems real, but it's not.
Now we know why he's keeping Elon around, he needs a lift.
Such incredible foresight from Elon—parking a Tesla in orbit around the sun for this particular occasion!
Screen of the WSJ on mobile. For posterity.
He inherited a growing economy, a healthy stock market and low unemployment. He has undone all 3. Power move!
No imagine what evil he could do if he didn't spend 90 % of his waking time golfing!
And he was very quick about it. I have never seen anyone deal so artfully before. /s
Be fair, it did take a long time to undo all that...
He's been back in office an astonishing two months. That's a lifetime!!
Don't give me hope
I keep saying that but a lot of people that just like to be contrarians (I guess?) keep saying that the economy was not really good at all.
It wasn't really good, but now it's getting really bad, for everyone.
He also had friends and allies all around the world. He's undone that too.
I was considering trying to cash out my 401k and ira in the US (I bought my first house and I think that's one of the allowed cases), but hadn't worked out the details yet. Guess that's not happening right now. I no longer live in the US and will probably renounce citizenship once my parents go.
I looked at my other investments this morning based on this post and.... Lol. Granted, I only one a handful, but it still hurts. My stock that was worth only like 40 cents moved up 5+% so yay for that, I guess.
Yes and the same last month, and the month before.
Do some paper trading when he does this. See how much money you could make if you buy who he is fucking just to turn it around the week after.
To be fair, the market is roughly at where it was in September (pending further tanking). So, not a huge difference...yet.
Pretty much this. If you think "its going to get worse from here", then why would you hold stocks?
Got my family out last year, I commute back and forth.
There is something really sick about watching this from overseas, like watching paramedics carry bodies out of a car crash.
But it was no fun when I was there.
Fucking morons shooting themselves in the balls to look tough.
I've only been twice in the last decade: once the year after I moved and summer 2022ish. It's just crazy to watch. My family just offered to pay for us to fly out for vacation but I declined. My non-white wife that doesn't really speek English + immigration now means we're not going near the place.
What happens to your 401k and IRA if you've moved abroad and renounce your citizenship? Will it ever be paid out?
Not an American so I honestly don't know.
That wouldn't effect legal agreements. if he's still the owner of the accounts the are still enforced, at least when there was a functioning system in place to enforce contracts with in the US legal and banking systems.
I don't know either. I imagine it just lives on. I can't put money in them now from Japan anyway (well, unless I want to pay some taxes in the US on top of what I pay here; no thanks). I can't use Japan's equivalent either since the US tax authorities will massacre you with paperwork and fines (PFICs). If social security still exists, I worked long enough in the US to get that and it doesn't matter for that if I renounce.
My 401k today is $520 less than what it was Jan 21st. I put in almost $600 every 2 weeks.
That's a good chunk of change that just disappeared. I can only imagine how much someone with a bigger retirement account than I have is hurting.
It disappeared now. When COVID hit I upped my contribution just to max out when the market was at a low.
The only way for the 401k to disappear entirely is if the entire economy is royally, never before seen fucked and completely collapses. At that point retirement if probably not a possibility anyways.
Any other situation you're essentially 'buying the dip' and will see the returns years from now. Although if you're looking to retire anytime in the near future it will likely be a huge hit on what you can take out.
Meh I went through the same shit in 03, 08 and Covid. It hurts but keep depositing and/or increase your contribution. Your future self will thank you.
I sometimes wonder if this time is a bit different, but we'll see. I don't know what qualifies as a safe harbor if donvict's wrecking crew end up destroying the entire fabric of why people invest in the U.S.
Meaning, the dotcom bubble, the early 90s recession, the 08 real estate bubble, the gigantic V that was early covid....those all still had a government that was looking to sustain most or all of our institutions.
Donvict and his crazy Project 2025/fElon dogebags are running around and ripping out the very infrastructure...
Oh I'm not stopping. Just pointing out how this is hurting people's retirement.
Switching from pensions to 401ks was one of the greatest swindles of the 20th century.
It's funny seeing how this generation grasps for morsels. Big reason why I don't respect ya'll.
Y'all
Looking at your comment history, you're an idiot lol
I'm not sure if you're a Boomer who had an actual choice, or a Gen α who has an excuse for not understanding.
The trump regime was designed to TANK the US economy so that stocks, businesses, and industries can be bought by billionaires at rock bottom prices.
All is going according to plan.
Its Russia in the 90s all over again. Must be a coincidence that the Russian mafia-turned-regime they're so chummy with, got its foot in the door and secured its power through an almost identical move.
Im wondering if America will have its equivalent of the 1999 Apartment bombings.
Even the wealthy have to think about what is happening right now. To have their company's value go to shit overnight isn't winning him any fans.
I think a lot of them are ideological psychos. Saw an interview with Forbes magazine founder, and he's giddy about these tariffs because he thinks they'll enable tax cuts. I don't think he cares if his shares tank or whatever, as long as he doesn't have money "taken away" from him to help the poors.
A lot of people might decide to violently resist such an eventuality. Things can quickly go off the rails.
Remember that despite the rule of law no longer applying to the rich and powerful, the laws of physics continue to apply.
A lot of people might decide to violently resist such an eventuality
I don't see a lot of evidence to suggest that'll happen.
No, that wasn't the point.
There were 2 goals:
And yet people still felt the need to vote for him
I'll never understand this country....
Lack of education, bo lack of racism
And people still thinks he is playing some sort of 4D chess. My friend in Georgia mentioned that people around her says Trump is creating a dip, so that federal reserve will lower interest rate.
Yes, because president can fire tons fedral workers, can send secret police to abduct people, but cannot control the federal reserve, and have to play stagnation or bust.
One of the talking heads on one of those business news shows summed up the theory about lowering interests rates as "it's like burning down the house to cook a steak."
There's no plan here, it's just a deranged old man surrounded by sycophants doing all of the things people previously told him wouldn't work.
Racism.
The south started a war and killed 600k Americans for racism.
It's all some of them care about, it's their alpha and omega.
Time for the rich to buy stocks on discount.
Assuming the US can recover...
Normally Trump does what's best for the ultra wealthy, but de-dollarization of the world economy appears to be good for nobody in the USA. I have no clue what they're trying to do, I suspect he's just lost it and there's nobody left to tell him these tariffs hurt his croneys too.
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if we're already too far along to save the dollar's position globally. Globally that's probably a good thing, but for any of us in the US it's decidely not.
If it doesn’t, the rich will still be fine. Unlike most Americans, they can diversify outside of the US.
Idk, when do they buy? This shit has to go way more south before our dear great leader decides to undo the tariffs, right? And if he doesn't undo them, when would it go back up? We're still in a race to the bottom...
Knowing Trump's irrationality, he just wants to erase all the market gains from when Biden was in office. That means he'll keep at it until the DOW looses another 10,000 points or so.
Even if he does undo them there's no telling when he'll put them back in place again on a whim. Everyone abandoning the market isn't going to come back unless Trump gets Epstein'd or Luigi'd.
I lost a lot of money today, but I’m still up from 6 months ago.
This is going to last a long time and the recession is when they’ll buy.
It's good for them when they can buy other people's stock at fire sale prices, it's less good for them when their own stock is reduced to fire sale prices.
That's not how it works. Stock prices don't fall below the level that rich people are willing to buy them at, specifically because rich people buy them at that level.
Or they can all be in on it and collude to buy once the stocks fall to their target.
There's always a tweet.
This is apparently a fake tweet. An archive of the actual tweet corresponding to that datetime is here.
His MAGA fans likely don't have anything in the market, or they don't think they do, so they think this won't affect them. They are in for a rude awakening.
Yep. The market is a lot like politics that way.
You might not take an interest in markets, but markets take an interest in YOU.
No they are all over invested in the market. The techbros. The effective altruists. The boomers and anyone wealthy. They voted for Trump to pump their bags and dont care about anything else. Only the dirt poor maga aren’t baws deep.
They voted for this. We all have to be onboard for the crash.
Down 3,163.27 since inauguration.
Old stock trader wisdom: don't catch a falling knife.
You don't know how low things can go. We're merely 100 days into the Trump presidency.
It's not even 100 days... 73 days since Jan 20th
GDP and EUR are pumping, time to jump ship.
Counterpoint: BTFD
Crypto veteran here. Everyone who says that thinks they're better at looking at charts than everyone else. No you are not. Technical analysis is bullshit, and no I didn't say most; your method is not an exception.
Dow drops 1200... so far.
Dropped 1,679.39 by the end of the day today.
So much winning
*Trading partner tariff rate is calculated by the White House to include "currency manipulation and trade barriers."
This needs to be way fucking bigger than a tiny light grey caption under the image, AP. "Trading partner tariff rate is pulled directly out of the administration's collective rear end"
1500!!!
This is what Trump wants. He wants the market to drop and/or a recession. Why? To force the Fed to drop rates back to essentially zero. Once that happens, expect a blistering turnaround in the market. Everyone and their great aunt will be borrowing money at ultra low interest to buy stocks. The stock market will explode, maybe crypto, too. Inflation will skyrocket. It will be nuts.
They’re already shilling crypto hard and threatening to reneg on US debt. They want to crash the economy, do a full venture capital takeover and set up autonomous states in preparation for the coming inequality revolution.
It'll be harder to recreate the inequality we've seen since the 1970s without the Cantillon effect.
We've probably been in a recession now for awhile. We won't know officially until I'll maybe, November? Figuring it usually takes 7 months for data to catch up and and a official recession needs to be 2 consecutive quarters of lost growth.
Two consecutive quarters and that is a very open definition since other factors also are considered.
Thank you for the correction. Edited original post.
Burn baby burn
yes bring on global depression because no one remembers 100 years ago..
If the rest of the world can reconfigure its trade (which it’s in the process of doing), it’s going to impact the US a lot more than anywhere else.
US fire sale!! 🔥 every stock must go! 🔥 15-25% off priced to sell! 🔥 hurry, these deals won't last!* 🔥
*profits not guaranteed. in the event of mass economic collapse, cross your fingers for a bail out. This is not financial advice.
3% It dropped 3%.
3% = DJIA just closed its worst day since June 2020
Maybe whatever civilization replaces the US will learn from our mistakes and never, under any circumstances allow a single person to have the ability to set any kind of policy. Hopefully they also don't leave gigantic weapons that can destroy the country all over the legal tapestry and use the honor system to control their usage.
Us humans have been making the same mistakes for thousands of years. Lather, rinse,repeat.
Machine rule it is, then.
It's not one person charting this path.
Who are you kidding we’re going to put lead back into everything again just for fun.
I wish there was some way to have seen this coming! Lol
I didn't have much in but I'm divesting from all stocks and cashing out. Everyone should sell it all and let the market crash.
I sold out everything back in Feb. I even processed a 401K to a roll-over IRA just so I could hold the money in cash. The money-market account is paying around 4% right now.
This orange moron is going to cause a massive worldwide recession and a depression in the U.S.
I'll reinvest in a few years.
Get some EUR, GBP, gold, bitcoin. Dxy is down ~10% since Feb. USD to 0
The Orange Turd is an economic genius.
