YSK that a new internet/account bypass during Windows 11 installs already exists. Here is a 7 step guide.

Linux is so difficult you guys, no one could possibly learn the command line.

In the vast VAST majority of "normal" use cases, which I'd argue for most people it's :

• Web browsing
• watching videos or listening to music
• editing text documents, spreadsheets, presentations
• playing video games
• managing files, e.g. moving them in directories, compressing them, etc
• keeping the system up to date
• using a printer

there are reliable ways to use a GUI. So... even though IMHO the command line is absolutely worth learning, one can perfectly use Linux my "just" clicking their way around.

Orrrrrr, hear me out, just click once and get an online account because you don't care.

And yes, the command line is an issue to most regular users. My parents don't grasp the concept of keyboard shortcuts for copying and pasting. I get a phone call every time they try to attach a file to an email, where they say the steps when they are doing it so they don't fuck it up. If you use the computer to access a single webpage that's bookmarked, youtube and ebay, maybe an hour every week at most, expecting them to have to learn a new system and a command line isn't feasible. People like icons and clicking. If you managed to get rid of a keyboard and maintain functionality, they'd switch in a heartbeat. That's why smartphones are so popular. That's why kids preffer touchscreen over controller, and are basically unable to play keyboard and mouse anymore.

I've swapped back and forth between Linux and Windows a half dozen times now, and I can honestly say, both are a bitch to set up from a clean install.

Even with guides and autoloading scripts and whatnot, it's still going to be a few days of pain while you try to figure out what else needs to be installed to use the computer the way you want to use it.

Or that's how it works for me.

I mostly just wish more games were linux native.

That’s right. Even if you have to use a windows app that Linux compatibility layers don’t support, you can banish Windows 11 to a virtual machine.

Oh, weird, even in a virtual machine it wants an account. Anyone know where I can find a bypass method? :-)

The just install Linux crowd gets really old. How’s that gonna help on a work machine where I HAVE to use Office to collaborate? Oh right, it’s not! Totally unhelpful.

I agree. Lemmy is like. "Use Linux..."

"Oh you still want to use Windows? Why do you still drown puppies and club baby seals?"

If someone doesn't understand how to use Windows, they'll probably find Linux easier. Probably all they need is Firefox and Libre office.

If you're setting them up for a company, you'll join too a domain anyway and it's a non-issue. Probably even have it automated using WDS or a similar 3rd party solution.

Doesn't make it any less annoying as a policy from Ms, but for any company of like 50+ employees, it shouldn't affect anything.

It's not even viable for me. I simply cannot use Linux daily because all my jobs require software that doesn't have a Linux version, or it does but it's lacking necessary features, or there's an alternative but I have to burn extra hours making it work with their systems/setup - hours I don't have.

Or I have to use internally configured Remote Desktop profiles over a VPN (not to be confused with RDP), and you can't do that specific use case on Linux because it requires using the company's internal Windows Store with specific Remote Desktop installation.

Or I have to use a specific Outlook instance, locally installed, because somehow they've blocked web access (I still haven't figured out exactly how they set this up).

After a 12 hour day, sure, I can switch back to my dual boot Linux instance and spend 1-2 hours for personal use. But the ratio is still Windows-leaning no matter how you slice it.

If installing something like Linux Mint is not intuitive enough for someone, they probably don't even know what they're doing on Windows either.

I use linux for everything except for one critical app that does not yet work on linux outside of a virtual machine. But, my computer is not powerful enough to run it in a virtual machine.

There are also no alternatives to it either. So, I have a second computer to use windows for just that, but the day it works on linux is the day I say bye to windows forever.

Just turned a Win10 machine into Ubuntu not too long ago. It took all day, broke several times, and still has issues booting remotely. It is getting easier, but a 30 minute Windows install with a few button presses is still easier, unfortunately

You are right. From what I saw Linux-based OSs have come a long way. The issue with Linux is when it comes to professional environments, that are not IT-related: There are niche programs that are used in certain professions that were written to work on Windows computers exclusively. They are not availiable for other OSs, because they are not wide spread or popular with non-professionals. Also, Microsoft Office (especially Outlook and Excel) is very dominant within the professional field - up to a point that it can't be changed easily. All this does not apply to users who use Linux computers outside a professional enviroment, as there are alternatives for popular programs and services already.

Agree. The installation isn't a barrier. Basic OS navigation probably isn't either anymore. Its still having to use alternative software and work arounds that I think is the frustrating part for the average user attempting to switch. Also, it's that they can't use Linux at work in many cases and it's uncomfortable to switch environments on a daily basis from home computing to workplace computing. You'd think with nonsense like the crowds trike crash more businesses would force the switch, but unfortunately I don't get the sense that is happening.

They have been suffering for years and never thought once about alternatives like Ubuntu

The average user is pretty unaffected by windows' enshitification. And if it doesn't fuck over their daily life, most people are more than happy to keep using the thing they're familiar with. Especially when switching would require not only learning one new thing, but a large number of new things. For example, do you use paint.net? Sucks to suck, time to find a Linux alternative and learn how to use it and hope it can do everything you need it for.

Linux fanatics like to pretend its as simple as installing a different OS and that's it, everything else in your workflow will work immediately with no research needed. But that's simply not true.

My parents are almost completely technological-illiterate (i.e. due to old age my father doesn't even have a cellphone nor knows how to use it, and my mother barely can know how to do calls in her phone - both of them don't know how to use a computer) but they know they don't know about stuff - so hearing stories like that kind of make me be thankful they're like that and that they will hear me when needing some advice or need to do something involving something tech-y

How expensive is expensive? And you usually can't just buy a single license, right? You have to have an enterprise agreement and buy some minimum number.

You can't join a domain with home, and win 11pro has You create a local account first before joining domain.

(Just checking if this federates. Edit: it did immediately.)

The unacceptable thing for me is that it requires internet access to use the operating system. That seems completely unnecessary.

I have software I need that doesn't run on Linux, and doesn't have a Linux equivalent.

Sure that's ok for your personal machine. Now convince leadership that your 500 machine fleet needs to be switched over to Linux.

But that's only 5 steps!

Mostly companies who have platform specific software that would cost to much to replace or take to long to replace. There’s still companies that run ancient versions of OSs like Pre Mac OS X and Windows 95 because there’s simply no newer OS that can run a specific software besides that OS.