Zoomers & Boomers are the same

Don't blame the people, they often cant get a mobile and tablet and computer... blame the awful corporations who made everything an app and pushed locked down mobile and tablets environments
- Then get a laptop and a phone. No one needs a tablet.
  
  Then they get a chromium based laptop because those were the most affordable ones they can get.
  Appification was generalized and its not ppls fault for growing up in that environment, especially if their parents were not big into computers and couldn't tell the difference.

My favorite:
"Where did you save the file?"
"I saved it in Excel"

The key concept they're missing a lot of the time is that software sits within the file system and not the other way around.
This is largely because apps hide this and data is generally stored in one place on your phone (the downloads folder).
Best way to fix it - have 1--2 lessons entirely devoted to finding shit on their computer. My favourite activity is "ok, save your word file, close word, you now have 10 mins to find that file without opening word".
- I'd at least start them with something simple like Paint or Notepad. Once they have that down, then you can throw the disaster that is the MS Office file save dialog at them.

An unfortunate consequence of developers playing to the lowest common denominator of users for the last twenty years. Everything has been designed to be as easy and intuitive as possible for mobile, and troubleshooting skills have suffered as a result.
Not to mention that phones are crazy powerful and can do virtually everything these days, so fewer and fewer people are buying PCs.
If the general population is indeed "going backwards" in regards to tech literacy, it seems like demand for IT services is going to spike in the coming years. Good thing to keep in mind for young people choosing a career path!
- I would point out that while general computer use has gotten easier, doing anything advanced has gotten much harder.
  I'm glad my grandma can send memes, but I can't figure out where an app is saving my files because everything is a walled garden!
  
  Lifelong Android user here. I don't know where an app saves its files (not to personal folders, but app-private folder) even it's rooted. I'm glad this protects me from malwares but it also forbids me to put my device in full control.
  
  I almost added this as a point in my original comment, but you're absolutely right, and its happening in other industries too (auto, for example). Its really tough to troubleshoot things you lack the permissions to fix.
- My most recent job hunt has me thinking the same. I used to be a dime a dozen, and young folks were real and serious competition in the job market, but I’ve been in IT since before the .com crash and now my skills are once again becoming unique.
  I’ve been raising my kids, warning them about the shit state of IT. Maybe I should have been nerding them harder.
  
  I will say, I would not want to be a software developer right now, but systems support is generally pretty stable (and less likely to be replaced by AI any time soon)
- Developers don’t decide that. Blame UX folk for making things simple.
  
  As a UX person often my job is to implement somebody else’s vision rather than being able to design something that makes sense.
  
  I meant it a more general sense as anyone involved with the software development life cycle, but I see your point, good catch
- i think its more complex than this.
  people wont know what to do/wont bother if a simple google search doesnt inmediatly has what they want in the first link.

just want to add, it's not the zoomer's fault. they were intentionally raised in ignorance because its apparently profitable
fuck the corporations who've deliberately turned our living computers into soulless commercial brainwashing surveillance machines
- It's their parents fault for not using GNU/Linux
- Also schools that thought just seeing the tech used would give you innate knowledge on how to use a computer.

Messing around with your old WinXP/95 computer and then fixing that mess before your parents come home and scold you does wonders to one's troubleshooting skills. People of this generation never got to hear that scary XP error sound, and it shows.
- Fun fact: Windows XP had cool day 0 loophole that saved my my ass. Once I decided to explore new options and I stumbled upon new and cool feature: setting a password. The only issue with it was that I've forgotten it half an hour later. I already knew 'admin' word so I used it in hackerman style and I logged in and I was able to reverse old password. This loophole was patched with first service pack but I still giggle when I remind myself of that.
  
  Damn! This is some real hackerman shit.
- Windows XP's error sound wasn't scary. Windows 95 and 98's were. That natural alarming chime, combined with the angry faces when our parents find out the non-functioning operating system...
  
  Turns out the one I was thinking of was the critical stop sound and the error sound was less threatening. Learnt something new...

The paradigm has changed. The rift between PC and smart phone. Is it really a surprise? My 18yr step kid can at least type on a keyboard with proficiency. Beyond that and installing games in steam, he's lost outside of that. Both I and his mom work in IT. We try to shore up the gaps, but it seems the 'kid' actively refuses to learn.

True, and Alpha are even worst, most of them never touched a real keyboard, only use 2 thumbs on a phone. Don't tell them about windows (or/mac/linux) or what is a UI or how to use a mouse and navigate in a OS, they don't get double click or right click, resize a window, minimize a window (OMG THE WINDOW IS GONE!!!!) it's impressive.
I have seen a lot of late Z/early Alpha who cannot make some special characters on a keyboard like " or $ or even worst using AltCar. Using Word to write a letter, using keyboard shortcuts, etc. they are completely clueless with computers.
- Look I don't doubt you've met these people but it's not everywhere. Here in Australia the kids still learn this at school.
  My daughter is in primary school and they've learned to use a word processor, spreadsheet, presentation software etc.
  So they can all use a keyboard and mouse and she's done some school projects as PowerPoint slideshows.
- Me and a classmate were absolutely stunned when we saw this girl typing in her password, and using Caps Lock to do uppercase letters instead of shift. We looked at her like, "WTF are you doing?" And she seriously did not know what the shift button was for.
  I just don't know how nobody showed or told her this before, and we're in college...
- Oh, you mean characters that are actually on the keyboard. I thought you meant stuff like 'Δ' or '°'
  
  I still remember looking up alt codes on the character map.
  I haven't had to represent degrees in decades, but for some reason I remembered the code being 0961. According to this page it was 0176. What a classic blunder!
- A good way to get a feel for how these Alpha kids probably feel is to use something un-Windowsy like RiscOS. I felt similarly helpless

Xennials are fascinating to watch navigate through tech hurdles. They have a custom built toolbox built purely through trial and error.
- I think you misspelled experience.
- As an autodidact xennial, I'll take that as a compliment.
  DOS, Windows, all the format C:'s in my time, it's all been trial and error as you say, because there weren't really anything on the line in the 90s and early 00s.
  So I've just bumbled through, tried dumb shit, reinstalled, repeat.
  
  Absolutely a compliment. It took me many months of research to figure out what PC parts to buy in the late '90s. Now you can easily piece something together in a day.
- ouch.

Training some younger people at work: "click the cog in the corner to pull up the settings". "What's a 'cog'?" Some things people miss out on life when you've never seen a Jetsons episode.
- I just described a cog as a circle with teeth and my son thought it was funny to call the sticky out bits as teeth.
  I'm just hoping he doesn't ask about crenellations next.
  
  Cogs are gear teeth.
- I always call it a gear.
  
  Cogs are typically square tooth, gears have involute teeth.
- That's not a cog, it's a sprocket! George Jetson works for Spacely Sprockets.
  
  I was thinking of the competitor: Cogswell's Cogs!
- I know what a cog is but not what a Jetsons is
  
  Ripoff of The Flintstones, except the family is from the future rather than the past.
  
  Hanna Barbara cartoon from the golden age of animation.
- I've never seen an icon of a single cog. Multiple cogs on a hub forming a gear, sure, but never just a cog.
  
  Huh? The single cog is the standard for settings menus. Just looking at three random apps on my phone, they all had single cog icons.
  
  If you have an android phone, the settings icon is a cog.
  Edit: 🙄

We are all working class.
- The working class should hold the bulk of the wealth.
  
  "Should" is doing all the work in that sentence

I'm an older zoomer but still a zoomer. Its a crazy dynamic seeing people my age and younger just not getting IT stuff. There's a high ratio of older to younger people where I've worked in IT too.

The challenges thst existed to use technology no longer exist, so there is no longer a reason to look under the hood for most people. It's like how a lot of generations after boomers don't know about how to change a tyre or spark plugs etc, cars got more reliable and industries created services to stop you needing to worry about that stuff.
As a kid I remember WANTING to play games with a friend on PC, he knew we needed a null modem cable and we went to pc shop 2 towns over got one and tried to figure out how to play together using it. Then when the Internet came out and we had to fight against Internet connection sharing so one computer could share Internet with friends pc. Trying to use no-cd patches just so we didn't need to keep grabbing cds to play games etc.
There were so many things you learnt back then but it was because we had no alternative, I get why tech knowledge has vanished and I don't blame them, they have had no need to solve the same problems and haven't grown with technology, it's been already established and they have had no need to concern themselves with it.
Problem is the working world still heavily needs PC skills and basic analytical ability so there needs to be more focus on those old "computer driving license" style courses so people can certify they know how to find a file and end task when something hangs.

Gen Z here, in college.
Some of these people are braindead when it comes to tech.
Like, I get if you're not used to technology because you're poor/had a lack of access to it, as many people might not have a home computer. So there were kids who were absolutely hopeless when it came to using windows at my tech school because they were broke, and the school only gives out Chromebooks (cause they're shitty and cheap).
But outside of not knowing a UI and different file formats, you should absolutely know how to use anything on the web, unless you literally lived in an area with absolutely no internet and electricity.
Some people at my college STILL don't know how to share Google documents correctly, and it's the most insane and frustrating thing to me. Literally any device with an Internet connection can use it. Windows, apple, Chromebook, Linux, you name it. HOW DO YOU NOT KNOW HOW TO WORK GOOGLE DRIVE?!?!?!
Like many comments have said, devs have dumbed down a lot of shit in the name of protecting users, and people expect stuff to just work without any issues/effort, which I get, but damn, you've never simply done a 5 mins search on Google or YouTube for a quick fix?
My hand-me-down phone journey started with a Samsung G Note 4 as a kid, then a old iPhone (don't remember which), moved to a Moto G Play 7 (I adore that thing today), moved to iPhone X, and now I'm at a Pixel 8a cause I put GrapheneOS on it. My mom got me it as a grad gift cause I hated my iPhone so much for all the shit I couldn't do while I was on it. I've always just liked Android and Windows more for the freedom to fuck up (which I never did), instead of Apple's shitty walled garden. And now I'm on Fedora, because I know I don't have to subject myself to a shit user experience on Windows just for simplicity.
But other people my gen who aren't willing to be adventurous for a bit and even try will never do that. Hell, you get shamed in school for not loving the Apple overlords and wanting Apple deciding everything in your life (green bubble shaming is real, I hated middle and early high school...). We want quick and easy, and we got it, but at what cost?
- Google drive is absolutely horrible to use for any real purpose. Organizing things is awful, search sucks, sharing permissions are dumb in terms of their specific behaviors. Its not particularly hard to use for basic things where you've got like 10 files in there, but it's a terrible example of usable software. Like... SharePoint is better, and I didn't think it was possible to be worse than SharePoint.
  
  I've used both for work and I'm having a hard time understanding what you could possibly find better about SharePoint. It's consistently the most frustrating sharing and navigation experience I've ever had to endure.
- Mate just my 2 cents ignore overlords and enjoy using other stuff and getting a more global knowledge. Didn't know the situation was getting this bad, let me guess: they know every single thing that has been posted on tiktok, but nothing else?
  
  That's no different from boomers and millenials really. Boomers only know the 6 o'clock news and either the front or back page of the paper. Millennial only know 90s cartoons and how to complain; I should know as i am one.
- Some people at my college STILL don't know how to share Google documents correctl
  They emulate a "files" menu (like any native office software has), where you can download/export it to a standardized format. Right?
  
  Well, for the download/export stuff, yeah, you just go to the "File" tab and click the download drop down tab, and you can save it to the computer or Google Drive. Which some people still didn't know about somehow but... (Some people never touch the tabs I guess)
  But when I mean file sharing, I'm talking like sharing stuff to another person's drive, or simply just letting them have access to it by clicking a link. To be fair, sometimes the sharing is wonky or really dumb, but it's basically, give access to specific emails/accounts, give access to anyone within your organization with the link, or give access to anyone who has the link. You can specify if this access link should be viewer, commenter, or editor.
  The amount of people who have shared a document with incorrect access rights where teachers can't see their work and have to ask them to resubmit, or trying to do group projects with people who claim that it's not working, is fucking insane. I get some of them are just being lazy and probably lying about it not working to get more time to procrastinate, but dead serious, some people just have no idea how to share files correctly. My public speaking class was full of these blunders, especially when sharing a presentation done with Canva, and we'd always have to waste like 3 minutes waiting for them to fix it...

Zoomer in computer science here: I've noticed that there are two types of people in my age range, you have the people who are really passionate about technology for the sake of being technology and want to know how things work under the hood (like me) and people who see technology only as a means to accomlish a goal like writing a document, maintaining a social media presence, playing a game, etc, and can't care less about how it actually works.
I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with the latter, but there can be conflict between the two groups because their priorities are completely different.
This is not unique to technology and you see this in other fields too. For example, you have the car enthusiasts who do their own oil changes and are constantly tuning up their cars, installing aftermarket mods, etc, and then you have everyone else who see cars as just a way of getting to where they need to go, have never even opened the engine compartment, and bring it into the shop when the scary lights on the dashboard appear.
- To use your car metaphor, there was a time when you basically needed to know how a car worked in order to own/operate one. I'm talking like the 1910s-1920s. They were unreliable, simply made, manual transmission, hand crank start, and needed a lot of maintenance.
  Millennials grew up at a time when you needed to have some understanding of how a computer worked in order to do basically anything.
  I suppose the issue is that the car metaphor breaks down because a vehicle really only does one thing. Push pedal and go. Maybe worry about snow conditions if that affects you.
  Meanwhile, computers can still be used to do thousands of different tasks and the only thread tying all of those tasks together is that they're done by the same machine. So knowing fundamentals about the machine gives you access to a lot of capability vs. just memorizing how to do a few tasks.
  
  the problem is that there's people out there who in the analogy don't know how to drive a car, defend it by saying 'I'm just not a car person', and constantly ask to be driven around when a major part of their job is driving a car. somehow when it comes to computers employers tolerate this
- You forgot the third group, !fuckcars@lemmy.world

I work on a help desk. We hired multiple Zoomers and they literally don't understand how computers work. They don't know what the registry is. Or what POST means. Or how to properly back up a user's data without using automated software.
They're fucking dumb. Nice. But dumb.
- To be fair, I'm a millenial who's fairly tech savvy and I barely know what POST means. Then again, I don't work in IT.
  
  To be fair, POST could mean a number of things. Are we talking in a webserver context? BIOS context? The POST Office?
  
  I would guess 90% of "IT" people don't know what POST (in web context, maybe bios since they might have taken an A+ cert class lmao) means nor do they know how basic http or web servers work. Most of IT are help desk and do not know technology well but are comfortable enough to tell people to reboot, uninstall/reinstall stuff, reformat, google an issue they can't figure out.. Which is better than 99% of the world.
- Why would someone on a help desk be expected to know what POST is? A software engineer, sure, but helpdesk? If it's needed knowledge…that's what training is for. Businesses' expectation that people will come into the job already knowing exactly how you do things and never require on-the-job training is absurd.
  
  Guessing they’re talking about Power-On Self Test rather than the HTTP verb. I’m assuming you were thinking of the latter given you mentioned a software engineer.
  
  Yes, helpdesk should know the basic steps that happen when you power on a computer.
- I got used to looking for registry tweaks, but I don't even know what to call it exactly.
  The closest I've got is: A place for accessing hidden settings in Windows. I've made a couple typos in there and nuked an install or two of XP, but I never really changed much personally. Just kinda looked up various ways people would use it to accomplish x, y, or z, out of curiosity.
  I don't have to deal with it anymore at least.

In my experience, Zoomers largely lack a lot of computer skills (specifically in troubleshooting), but, for me the huge difference between them and the older folks has been that the older folks will say things like "I'm just not a computer person ::laugh::" and refuse to be shown how to do anything whereas the Zoomer just doesn't know, yet, but are more than willing to learn.
ETA: NOTE: that's just the generalized trend ... some of the most knowledgeable technical people I've met are Boomers and some of the best computer techs I've worked with have been Zoomers.
- Oh god this was my previous colleague. "Hey MBech, mind showing me how I do this thing in Excel you've shown me 100 times?" Sure thing, but at least try to remember. He even told me he forgets it instantly because he just doesn't give a shit about computer stuff. Then you probably shouldn't have a job that has you working on a computer 90% of the time.
  
  Don't show. Guide them to do it themselves. Never be the one to actually do it beyond the first time.
  If they still refuse to learn, make them take notes. Make them read to you their notes from last time. Make them tell you what each step is and means.
  Make asking you the hardest option for them to get what they want.
  
  I 100% agree with the caveat of SAP. I'm not letting those cunts having a single microgram of my brain space. I'm asking accounting for help everytime
- I started as a graphic designer back in November with absolutely zero experience. It's crazy being whown how to do stuff in Adobe suite by a 68 year old man
  
  Ha. My young coworker said "wow you really know this software in depth, how long have you used it?" me: meh 26 years. He was like "dude that is longer than I have been alive"

Lot of boomer-like fist shaking in these comments.
Newer generations are going to find different things to excel at, and they'll inevitably give up on some of the old ways.
- Companies used to train workers, now they just complain that workers aren't pre-trained by some magical process. (And millennials are old enough that we've forgotten how dumb we were in our 20s.)
  
  I was teaching flight school by the time I was 23. I started studying the books at 14 and started flight school in earnest at 16. It's called teaching adolescents to do shit.

Yep I've noticed that too. I get questions like "what is the difference between downloading and installing" from people that are over 18 years old and under 30.

One friend of mine told that he read once that kids these days doesn't even know how to create a folder (or directory), is that true?
- This is the only one of these that I simply do not believe I am genz and admittedly more into computers than average but I have never met anyone who couldn't figure out to right click to make a new folder unless they mean that they didn't know how to use the terminal to do it.
  
  I mean... My Mac M1 doesn't allow right-click create a new file. 😮‍💨 ! Also, if I recall correctly, there is a similar thing that made me go crazy on Gnome DE.
  Nowadays, people hate to get everything neatly separated in a nice and well ordered directory structure. They throw everything in the same directory and use the find/search function, for what it's worth.
- Do you know how to create a directory on your phone? Lots of kids have never used a desktop/laptop, just phones and tablets.
  
  Yes.
  
  Yes, files, and hamburger menu at top right, new folder
- I was showing a co-op how to do something last year and told them to navigate through our department drive into whatever folder we were looking at.
  They couldn't do it. They had somehow managed to get to the department drive in file explorer, but then completely fell apart when I narrated the names of the folders to go down into. Like I'd say "Go into 'desks and tables'" or whatever and I'd watch them drag their cursor past the Ds, past the Es, and then just click on something completely different. Like their brain just stopped working. It took us like 2 minutes to get less than 10 folders deep.
- So our IT guy sent a training memo for a task. Step 1, 2, 3, etc. The one step was go to folder /User, then go to folder yourusername. A young guy emailed back " there is no folder called yourusername".
  I explained to IT, some of these people have never navigated a folder structure and don't realize Yourfoldername is meant to be replaced with their own name.
  
  I have this at work with technical people. It's ever so frustrating.
- It is true, and I've seen it myself. At first I refused to believe, but sadly we're already at that state.

Last night I offered to help my Zoomer classmate torrent Kamen Rider and he told me he was afraid of going to jail.

I'm not a kid (see my other replies in this thread lol), but I've never had to use PDFs for much at all. The closest I've ever been to editing one is clicking a box to draw a signature or check a checkbox.
So I've gotta ask. Why would one need to rotate a PDF? They would be made on a computer, and naturally default to the correct orientation, no? I can't imagine why one would ever be sideways.
- Pdfs are not always made on computers. In most office environments you are going to run into scanned documents. Scanners like to do funny things and people dont always put all the pages in the correct orientation.
  
  Scanners like to do funny things
  I know it's not very relevant, but that reminds me of a talk held during a CCC (Chaos Computer Club) convention.
  It's in German, but I'll try to summarize it: Someone noticed the numbers on a scanned page didn't match the original, so they hired an expert to find out what happened. Turns out that the printer they were using had a feature that would detect symbols that looked the same and basically copypasted ome cutout of the symbol onto the other to save space on the final PDF. Due to the print/copy quality, this substitution sometimes malfunctioned, substituting similar looking symbols, such as 8 and 0.
  
  I see. I didn't think I ever heard about that. I'm only familiar with them as in a digital version of paperwork, not a digital copy of a document.
  I understand exactly how that happens then.
- You can scan a document to PDF, sometimes the default orientation isn't correct.
  
  I learned that from the other reply
  I see. I didn't think I ever heard about that. I'm only familiar with them as in a digital version of paperwork, not a digital copy of a document.
  I understand exactly how that happens then.
- Well speaking for this week: doing my taxes, reviewing documentation at work.

People are going to start asking AI to rotate PDFs for them, just like people started asking ChatGPT to do math; it’s a terrible idea but will probably work 80% of the time, and that’ll be good enough for most people.

Back when computers were a novelty, we had schools dedicated to teaching people how to use them in my country.
The classes ranged from the most basic stuff, such as how to use a mouse, to more advanced topics, such as how to use the Windows registry.
We might need to bring these schools back in the near future.
- If we can get them to teach Linux instead of Windows and tell people - this will run on whatever computer you bring to class

pdftk input.pdf cat 1-endright output output.pdf
- convert -rotate 90 in.pdf out.pdf
  
  Doesn't convert rasterize the pdf? (I don't remember)

I had to teach my zoomer intern how to use alt+tab and that you can just keep ctrl pressed and then just press the other key, they didn't need to be pressed on the exact instant to work.
- I remember learning latter in 4th grade. Thats sad

Farts unhappily

Oh god I feel seen
- anyone who has never experienced the joy of destroying hardware with a misplaced address access is, at best, translucent. magic blue smoke or bust.

Did these kids grow up not using computers at school? When I was in school (1999-2013) we had both Mac and Windows desktops that we used during library visits, computer lab, and art periods. Did schools just replace that hardware with iPads? Writing/editing an essay, manipulating a photo, drafting shop drawings, or learning to code on a tablet sounds like a fucking nightmare.
- From what I've seen, they each get a Chromebook at school so they eventually learn to type but are generally getting the tablet app experience
  
  Yeah, we got Chromebooks, with predownloaded stuff on them (hell, our School policy probably PREVENTED us from downloading anything...) or you just used Chrome browser for everything. We definitely weren't allowed to use terminal either. The extensions store was blocked/didn't allow downloads.
  Chromebooks aren't built for storage and performance, they're made for the cloud. So anything that you wouldn't encounter on Chrome/Google Drive means they have zero knowledge of it.
  I think the last time I remember using tablets was like 2nd grade to do math games. But that could've changed.
  You were also punished/heavily discouraged from using personal laptops instead of school issued Chromebooks, cause they wanted to ensure you had no issues completing work and that you weren't cheating on assignments and tests. So students were literally forced to use them.
- As far as I have been led to believe they replaced a lot of interfacing with apps and walled gardens. My work, for example, buys a whole office suite from microsoft. I imagine schools buy preloaded machines from Pearson or whatever.

Is there a ghostscript way to rotate pdf?
- Yes. (not sure if you wanted it actually posted the GS way is kinda long) there are a good 10+ different tools to do it on command line though. Even imagemagick's "convert" command that does virtually every image format can also rotate a pdf. qpdf, pdftk are very popular too.
  I actually found a thread that lists all the tools I did and even the "gs" command lol https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/394065/command-line-how-do-you-rotate-a-pdf-file-90-degrees
  
  Can confirm, imagemagick is bad with PDF quality.

The difference is that aged people tend to forget their training more. I’m not worried about the youngins.

I'm a zoomer and ngl I cannot relate to this

And which generation are you from @agraybee the forgotten generation huh?
- Nihilism destroyer
  Yep, that's Gen X for sure.

I've stopped talking to Zoomers about tech completely. If I try to help, I end up confusing them more, and I don't like to simply solve shit for them because then they start bugging me for every single thing. (I'm also technically a Zoomer, but barely.)
- It hurts me deep inside as well

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/D1dv39-ekBM
- My younger brother will not flinch when talking about playing a first person game, (he says it for every game though) he will say a controller is superior.
  Now I understand that there is a lot of wiggle room to debate the "best" input method, but I will die on the hill about a mouse being the best (and maybe best possible) input for look/aiming in a first person sense.
  The left hand could use an analog input for sure, but digital movement is so rarely an issue it didn't matter a whole lot.
  I will go as far as to throw him a bone and say that controllers are probably the best for something like a platformer (his genre of choice), or a racing game, or in some cases, 3rd person action. I will typically use Rocket League as an example of that, because that game is one of the few that analog movement is much, muuuch more important than analog camera control.
  But keyboard and mouse is so widely usable for (and so often a clear front runner) that I have to dunk on him every time he shits on kb+m.
  But then I think about my coming up learning and using computers, and our built in familiarity with kb+m, whereas these days, these scrubs are using touchscreens almost exclusively, and a keyboard just looks ancient right off the bat. And of course anything that "old people" use is definitely just totally obsolete and gross as soon as something else comes out.
  So I give him consideration in that regard, but it saddens me that he won't think critically enough to understand the differences, and is not thinking about it. His brain is very literally saying "old way bad, new way good".
  He's still too young, but damn the communication barrier is frustrating.

Ctrl + Shift + Keypad+

I wouldn't know, I'm not hanging out with zoomers as a xennial in his early 40s without kids, but I'm sure their knowledge about phones and stuff is a lot higher than mine. I very rarely use tablets or even my own smartphone, it's all about the computer for me.
Now, I am learning linux for second time for the last 14 months, and it has also been humbling. ::: spoiler * First time was 20 years ago, but everything felt incredibly broken at that time, not the experience I was after. :::

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