Trump Doubts Canada Would Skew Democrat If It Becomes The U.S. 51st State: 'Before I Got Involved The Conservative Was Leading'

Before him, Conservative may have been leading, but now that Canadians learned what Conservatism really means, they have changed their mind.
- A big part of it was Lil PP was drawing the comparisons himself - he's been drawing from Trump's populist playbook since the Free Dumb Convoy. Even now, he still has his "Canada First" signs up, a nod to MAGA and the populism that fucked things up for our closest ally and once greatest friend.

I've been saying it would veer hard left if it was annexed, but it's not like the Orange Idiot knows anything about people so I'm not surprised by his reaction. His stupid ass is SO narcissistic that he can't even comprehend that other people can react differently than he thinks they should, despite ample evidence that they can, do, and will.

I call him Mayor Trump
- Assistant TO the manager Trump but that gives him too much credit
  
  Frankly super accurate - co-assistant manager to (F)elon

Shhhh! Don't tell him that, he'll start talking about the "Riviera of the arctic" if he ever figures it out.

Holy fuck is he ever bad at this. You'd better join us because we don't need you; Conservatives were winning but I don't know or care; Liberals are easier for me but I don't know or care; You should vote Conservative because that'll stop me -- but I don't know or care.
I'm paying very close attention and cannot resist saying things to change the course of events. But I don't know or care.
This is preteen social strategy. Stomp around for a bit. Yell "Whatever, it doesn't even matter" loudly enough to make sure everybody heard it, then slam your bedroom door. Don't worry Dumpster, we're all very convinced by your passionate apathy.
- Easy to not grow up when you're a neppo baby.

Don’t let them move your Overton window. We are not becoming the 51st state. Speculation on what that would look like only gives annexation credibility.
How about instead of trying to guess what Canada would be like we look at how Puerto Rico and Guam literally are.
- The fucked up part is that his supporters don't even see Puerto Rico or Guam as US assets. Because they are simply too ignorant, and for the few that aren't, those populations are not white enough for them to recognize them as part of the US.

Can I just say what a crazy fucking timeline we're on? Like what the fuck. When I was a kid it was like, oh no bill clinton's a pervy asshole but still somehow cool. Now we have nazis, social media is owned by billionaires who manipulate people with memes, the earth is boiling and I'm still getting fucking ads for hair removal.
I suggest we all go out for one day, with some snacks to share, and some guillotines, have a party, then agree we all go back to the woods to eat berries and be happy. I don't even care about the god damn internet and good moisturizer. I would like to sit naked in a bog, eating leaves, and sleep in a tree dreaming of nothing at all.
- There are no simple solutions to complicated problems. If we tear down the state with violence and no plan to permanently replace it with something better, then we're just going to increase the gap between the upper class and the lower class.
- I would like to sit naked in a bog, eating leaves, and sleep in a tree dreaming of nothing at all.
  I mean, go and do that now then.
  
  Yes, on the off-chance case OP was serious. It's hard to tell on the internet.
- But the economy
- That’s not very “increasing shareholder value” of you.
- If we didn't have however many billions it is now of people, I'd be all about returning to that hunter gatherer life. Would it be really fucking hard? For sure. Would people die of dumb stuff? Ok maybe we keep like, antibiotics. But I bet cavemen never sat around like, "why am I even continuing to exist in this neverending capitalist nightmare?" They probably didn't wake up at 3 am every night for weeks because the dread overcame their exhaustion. I will join you in the bog.
  
  They only dreaded the lions as nature intended. I would rather worry about lions than gestures wildly.
  
  They probably didn’t wake up at 3 am every night for weeks because the dread overcame their exhaustion.
  Fun fact, primitive people all sleep great because they have no artificial lights or schedules messing with their circadian rhythm. (And unexpectedly in two separate bouts every night)
  Would people die of dumb stuff? Ok maybe we keep like, antibiotics.
  Yeah, but that's a bit of a slippery slope, isn't it? Maybe we still need modern industry, but just in a way that facilitates an active, nomadic lifestyle without many distractions.
  
  I know what you are saying, but consider for a second that the shit we are experiencing today ultimately stems from tribalism. Tribalism existed full well in hunter gatherer societies. In some ways better (no nukes). In other ways, far, far more brutal.
- return to monke but fr
- Sometimes at the moment, iam at the point where 'm thinking just end it all with a great booooooommmm. And let everything restart, because the Feverdream we live in gets worse everyday. 🥲
  
  Bring back project sundial.

Our Conservatives make the democrats in the US look right wing.
Dumb shit can't understand that sharing a name doesn't make them the same.
- Center right at best, the top Dems in the party are more like Dinos. Republicans have been fearmongered for decades that the "left" is closer to communism but don' realize that the dnc had to move right wing to even stand a chance against Republicans elections. Dnc have always been right wing, they just hide in a veneer of "progressiveness". I knew some Asian YouTubers that did the same thing, merely hid behind the shield of progressives, while ranting about right wing tropes
- Yes and no. It would be better to say that about half of our Conservatives sit slightly to the right of the Dems. The other half - the former Reform party of which Pollievre is one - are an actively regressive, bigoted, homophobic, transphobic party who want to destroy abortion access, collapse our education system and sell off our healthcare, and would get along very well with the GOP (hence why Trump spoke so favourably of Pollievre and why Pollievre refuses to ever say anything bad about Trump).
  And here's the thing; the half of our Conservatives who aren't openly fascist have no problem allying with the half who are. Which just makes them fascists too. We shouldn't kid ourselves about this. Canadian Conservatives want to do everything the GOP is doing, they're just not there yet.
  The big difference between Canada and the US, isn't in the quality of our Conservatives, its in the fact that our Conservatives have to mask their more horrific tendencies to get the average person to vote for them.
- Seriously Bernie Sanders could sit down and have positive dialogue with our conservatives. Americans have no idea how much the Overton Window has been at work there.
- And also the large reason the Cons were polling so far in the lead is because of Trudeau fatigue.
  Now that he's gone things have balanced out again.
  
  I also think looking over your border at our Trump shit show has to have made some Conservative Canadians rethink their position.
- To be fair, that's because the US Democrats would be right wing nearly everywhere else on the world. There has been a shit ton of propaganda infrastructure built over the last 60+ years to shift the US spectrum so dramatically to the point a third of the country supports overt fascism while claiming it's the opposite.
- I don't think PP is very moderate. But who knows. All he does is pal around with fascist lowlifes, make lame attack ads and parrot MAGA bigotry. He doesn't actually propose anything positive.
- make the democrats in the US look right wing.
  No, they do that all by themselves.
- I'd say the democrats are socially left economically right
  
  Only the progressives are socially left, every other dem politicians are to the right. Even in the west, people have expressed their conservative views while still voting Dem. The people that move to the West Coast, transplants often are more conservative than the people that grew up here. That's what I noticed

Surely if Canada was absorbed then the provinces would become states? Then he’d be seriously fucked. Why would you have an ultra state that’s like more than half the size of your entire nation? He’s so thick. He’s beyond thick, just a mental sack of coagulated sputum.
- No, Canada would become a US territory. They can't be stupid enough to make Canada a represented state.
  
  Stop dreaming. Canada will never be part of the US in any way, shape or form.
- Because referring to Canada as the ‘51st State’ is mostly meant to be simply symbolic of Trump’s imperialist goals.

Absolutely against invading the sovereignty of one of our closest allies and friends, but why tf would they make it one singular state? There’s no way they would pass up the opportunity to split it up into many states, likely along existing province lines, in order to keep numbers up much like gerrymandering does. The premise is stupid to begin with so I’m annoyed I’m entertaining the thought, but it’s so strange that it keeps coming up like it would be one state.
- Trump supporters don't know what a province or territory is. They have probably heard of states even if they can't name many. Making Canada one state minimises the true size and strength of Canada to them. It only makes sense when you consider the audience.
- Obligatory it's bullshit, will never happen, et cetera preface...
  The problem with splitting it into multiple states is that each new state would get 2 senators. Our house is capped, the amount of reps we have is how many have, which means they can fuck around with the numbers a bit and potentially take democratic seats away to give to state of Canada, but with the Senate, if it were to split it into 10 new states, we'd have to add 20 additional senators, all of whom would be Democrats (or, at least, most of them). Some of the Canadian parties might last for a bit, but eventually the two party would take over, and they'd all become Democrats, and it would fuck the Republicans. Better to keep it as a single state, do some fuckery on who loses seats to add Canadian reps to the house, and only add 2 senators. Much easier to buy 2 senators than 20.
  But honestly, the smartest route would be to make Canada a territory. No senators, no reps, no voting for president. But still citizens. Give it the Puerto Rico treatment.
  
  Honestly, I think there is a path down which I could accept a Canada-U.S. merger. But it starts with adopting our Westminster-style political system and adding the electoral reform we need. While we could accept some specific institutions of theirs replacing ours, there isn't a single part of the U.S. political system itself that's remotely acceptable.
  A Canada lead by Democrats is still a big step backward for us, even if we kept our services like healthcare at current levels.

DOOCY: Are you concerned that if Canada became the 51st state, it would be a very very blue state?
God, every time the idea is even entertained it annoys me. Canadian politics don't matter to US politics because we'll never be USian
- Indeed. The question of political trends would be kind of hard to focus on through the constant headlines about bombings and assassinations.
  
  Exactly yeah. There’s no scenario in my mind where we’d casually accept annexation and go through an American election as if everything was normal. I think most Canadians would rather go scorched earth than to capitulate.

The party closest to the Republican's current form in Canada is People's Party of Canada. They got less than 5% of the popular votes in the last election.