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Israel publicly announces genocidal intent

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Are there any pros for still keeping hostages? Those few dozens of people are not worth it. I'd say release them all just to prove a point that Israel won't stop. See what they will say in their public announcements next.
- Absolutely they should give up their only bargaining chip. That will leave them in a stronger position, obviously, as they will be literally decimated -but- they can then complain about how ruthlessly they were destroyed. I'm sure the arbiter will just put everything back as it was before any of this mess even happened.
  Especially since the arbiter is one Donald J. Trump, a Colossus of a man with an immaculate reputation for fairness, and a knack for both resurrecting eradicated families and magically repairing destroyed infrastructure with a flick of his wand. Yes, release the hostages unconditionally, I'm sure it'll just work out for you if you, I dunno, pray hard enough. (But not like that, though. We don't recognise that kind of prayer)
  
  Do we see any adequate attempts to do the bargaining though? Do we know that all the hostages are alive and well? Because having only a corpse of some hostage is not good for bargaining.
  Yes, let's have those ~50 stay in an unknown state somewhere, and ignore the possibility of Israel bombings to cease or result in lesser casualties, in case those are released.
  Thr arbiter, last I saw in the news, "gave the green light to Israel" because the hostages were not released.
  
  Well you've used the qualifier "adequate", which means there's an undefined set of criteria for bargaining that you deem acceptable. However there was until three days ago a ceasefire in place. A ceasefire by its existence proves that some bargaining has been done.
  There were no provisions in the ceasefire that allowed Israel to attack under the conditions in which they did. An unconditional and complete release of hostages by 18/03/2025 was not one of the conditions imposed upon Hamas. Israel contravened the ceasefire. Therefore by giving the green light, the arbiter was violently remiss in his duties to uphold it impartially.
  No idea where you get your news, but if you look at multiple sources from the time the ceasefire was signed (mid January), you'll see the terms of the ceasefire, and you'll see that Hamas did not break them.
  
  that you deem acceptable
  Releasing about 2000 people for 33 hostages is more than acceptable. Keeping remaining ~50 at this point is strange. "Keep bombing us, killing hundreds, but we will not release your 50 people (out of which you think only half are alive), we need you to... release more of our people" or what?
  You are going to just accept it as is, wait until bombings will wipe out all of Gaza, but still tell how those 50 hostages are important for some bargaining?
  Whatever they could theoretically gain for those remaining hostages (if they wanted that) is not worth the risk of further bombings. If anything, they waste resources on keeping them alive (if they really do that).
  No idea where you get your news, but if you look at multiple sources from the time the ceasefire was signed (mid January), you'll see the terms of the ceasefire, and you'll see that Hamas did not break them.
  This is the part about Trump. https://archive.md/lkD5b
  According to this, Hamas rejected proposition by Israel on march 1. Which then triggered Israel. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel-gaza-ceasefire-talks-1.7472338
  
  Releasing the hostages won't stop anything. The IDF was headshotting children before October 7th.
  According to this, Hamas rejected proposition by Israel on march 1. Which then triggered Israel.
  Seventeen days later? I don't think you can call that a "trigger"
  Fact is, Israel has been violating the ceasefire since the beginning according to the reports I've been reading.
  Hamas shouldn't even have the hostages, but stealing a few hundred people is nothing compared to the way Israel bullies Gaza. Now they've got the hostages, they've lost any moral high ground anyway, so they're going to use them to the best tactical, strategic and diplomatic advantage they can. It's the smart thing to do. It's not the right thing to do, but I think everyone lost all hope of either side doing something right a long time ago.
  
  Releasing the hostages won't stop anything.
  It will change what many people think about Hamas.
  The IDF was headshotting children before October 7th.
  Israel released 2000 people for just 33. This shows the hostages are meaningful to Israel. Thinking "there is no point in releasing hostages" is not smart.
  Seventeen days later? I don't think you can call that a "trigger"
  Cut off aid 1 day after. Cut off electricity 7 days after. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel-gaza-ceasefire-timeline-1.7487965
  Fact is, Israel has been violating the ceasefire since the beginning according to the reports I've been reading.
  Hamas would violate them too if they could. Ceasefires can't be ideal when both sides hate each other so much.
  so they're going to use them to the best tactical, strategic and diplomatic advantage they can. It's the smart thing to do.
  How many people already died in bombings? Did it worth the 2000 of people released by Israel? Or 4000 more people they could possibly release for the remaining hostages?
  Smart things to do? Hamas are not smart in my eyes. Instead of caring about Palestinians and building defenses, they built rockets and tunnels for useless attacks. They are neither good tacticians, nor good strategists, nor good diplomats.
  Even if I forget how "smart" the October attack was, not releasing hostages when being told "release them or we will kill you" is not a smart thing to do, if you really care about your own life and the life of Palestinians.
- And reward Israel for violating the ceasefire?
  Since Israel and the collective Western civilization do not appear to posses any morality, those prisoners are the only leverage Hamas has. They would be crazy to give it up for free.
  Israelis are protesting to get their prisoners back, not because they want to end the genocide and care about Palestinians. Plenty if polls have proven this.
  
  They would be crazy to give it up for free
  They already released 33 of them, and had about 2000 prisoners released by Israel. Are you going to say "we need to still keep the remaining ones to make Israel release 2000 more" or are you going to say "the bombing casualties are big but they are less than 2000 so let's still keep the hostages", or I dunno, maybe "those prisoners are more valuable than hostages and any possible casualties"?
  Israelis are protesting to get their prisoners back, not because they want to end the genocide and care about Palestinians. Plenty if polls have proven this.
  Are prisoners supposed to fix that or what? What is the scenario where hostages are going to help in stopping the bombings, if they are not released? Israeli protests are going to make them stop? And after that, the protests will also stop? But the prisoners would still be there, right?
  What about the rest of the protesters around the world? Do you not consider the possibility of those protesters to increase in numbers if there would be no hostages?
  As much as I want to understand the point, I don't see how the remaining hostages are going to benefit Gaza. There are not enough of them. They are not worth it.
  The OP image should have also highlighted the second paragraph.
  
  What have protests achieved? People voted for Harris and Trump in droves.
  The West does not care. There is no reason for Palestine to appeal to their Nazi oppressors.
  Israel took many released hostages back to the torture camp. Israel is the least trustworthy opponent of all time. There is no good faith with them.
  Israel already said they would continue the genocide even if Hamas released their captives.
  
  Those Nazi oppressors released 2000 people for just 33 hostages.
  Israel took many released hostages back to the torture camp.
  Oh really? Fine then. Let's say Israel will be doing it to 100% of people they release. Then what else could Hamas possibly achieve by still keeping the hostages?
  There is no good faith with them.
  I could say the same about Hamas.
  Israel already said they would continue the genocide even if Hamas released their captives.
  All the more reason to stop wasting resources on hostages.
  Are those hostages made from gold or something? Why people seem to protect them from possible release? If it's so difficult to just release them - ask Hamas to kill them all. We know it won't change anything, right? But then they could concentrate on other things that are possibly more meaningful for their own survival.
  
  Damn why does Israel have 2000 hostages? Actually scratch that make it 9000.
  I could say the same about Hamas.
  No you cannot because Hamas keeps its promises. Hamas kept their end of the ceasefire deal. Israel violated it more than 900 times.
  You are projecting the evils of the Nazis onto the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto. The double standards you apply to the resistance are completely ridiculous.
  
  They call those prisoners, guess most of them are counted as terrorists. But I would ignore that and assume they are simple Palestinians. It still doesn't change what I said. Israel released that many of them. They could refuse and proceed to bomb Gaza instead.
  Hamas keeps its promises
  Not true. Also saying some historical figure or a group always keeps their promises means you are biased.
  I don't care about Jews or Nazis. Resistance can't work with what they have now. I will not support people who keep doing unnecessary things. I will not support Israel either for now. But there is logic in their actions at least. There is no logic in assuming the remaining hostages will help Hamas, unless they are released.

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