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Trump, Vance Clash With Zelensky During White House Meeting

news.antiwar.com Trump, Vance Clash With Zelensky During White House Meeting - News From Antiwar.com

A press conference in the Oval Office with President Donald Trump, Vice President JD Vance, and Ukrainian President Zelensky turned contentious after Vance slammed Zelensky for campaigning with former Vice President Kamala Harris. The chaotic meeting appears to have squashed Zelensky’s opportunity t...

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I have even more admiration for Zelenskyy after that. He kept his cool through their childish bullying, while respectfully maintaining his stance. His commitment to his people over his own ego made him the only adult in the Oval Office today.
This was humiliating for Americans. I would’ve been less embarrassed had JD started fucking the Oval Office furniture. Every member of Congress that stands behind this is complicit.
- You shouldn't treat politics as parasocial celebrity drama
  
  You mean when Trump said it “would make great television?”
- His commitment to his people
  Commitment to.. Continuing treating country as a prison and people as slaves who can be kidnapped off the streets and then be dent to death as a cannon fodder? I hope you will one day have a dictator with similar commitment to you.
  
  I have less respect than ever for anyone in that room.
  
  I am opposed to drafting just as much as any other but considering the country is under a war to essentially keep existing, there should not be any reason for those elegible to fight to run.
  What is the option against an enemy that does not see this people as such, is known for butchering people in taken areas and that has made clear nothing besides total capitulation will suffice? Hope they will get bored and go away?
  
  it's pretty clear that draft dodgers do not care about ukraine as it currently stands, why should they throw their lives for a national project that does not resonate with them?
  
  I keep seeing this complete lie of "kidnapping people" on Xitter et al. They are arresting draft doders just like the US did during their war on Vietnam. It's not like they are putting people in black vans to Guantanamo.
  
  So they're kidnapping people that do not want to go to war, gotcha.
  
  No, no. If arresting was "kidnapping", the US would have the largest number of kidnaps in the world.
  
  Now you're getting it!
  
  They are arresting draft doders just like the US did during their war on Vietnam.
  and it was so unpopular for americans that it led to the end of the war rather than subject their population to this stort of treatment; a lot like ukrainians right now
  
  The point is that it's not "kidnapping".
  
  Whatever helps you sleep at night I guess.
  Taking someone against their will and putting them in a cell that they can't escape sure seems to fit the definition to me!
  
  It was kidnapping then and it's kidnapping now.
  Do you support the Vietnam draft and oppose the protests against it or something?
  
  It's not kidnapping, it's law, like it or not. But if you have a felon President, I guess law doesn't matter that much.
  
  It's not kidnapping because it's legal, lmao.
  
  I knew you would get it, eventually.
  
  I have a theoretical question, just to better understand your logic, if you don't mind.
  If I get into power - I will make it legal to hunt down and murder liberals (that's basically what liberals support happening under Zelensky's regime to me, so I think it's absolutely fair). Obviously it wouldn't be considered murder under my new law (like you don't consider kidnapping a kidnapping), but there would a term for it, like "making word a better place" (a la "arresting draft dodgers") or something like this.
  Now, someone "makes world a better place" to your friends/family/etc. (we assume they are liberals). Will you say that what happened was "world was made a better place", or that those people were murdered?
  If your answer is not "the world was made a better place" - why? How is this situation different from the kidnapping not being kidnapping because there is a law that says it's not?
  
  You see, you can't say that the germans were murdering jews since it was under a legalist framework 🤓
  
  This is a really convoluted way of asking "is arresting someone the same as kidnapping?" the answer is no.
  Kidnapping is forcibly detaining someone in an illegal fashion. Hence, the police arresting someone for commiting a crime is not "kidnapping", whether you agree with the law or not.
  
  Oh its illegal where I live so I get to call it kidnapping
  
  whether or not you recognize authority committing the forced displacement of a human being against their will determines whether or not it is a kidnapping.
  if we we're to end up with east-ukraine and west-ukraine as countries, the east ukrainians would probably classify them as abductions by west ukrainian forces.
  
  I would love to discuss alternative realities, but I'm talking about the real world, where there's a draft, with consequences for dodging it. So, no. By definition it's not "kidnapping".
  
  it's a reality, in all but name, and it's also a reality that this war no longer has a point without trump, forcing someone else to go die for it is beyond pointless or evil; it's worse than kidnapping.
  
  it’s a reality, in all but name
  (confusion)
  this war no longer has a point without trump
  I agree this war has no point. Russia tried to invade Ukraine and couldn't. Their "liberate Kyyv in one week" goal is like, 3 years behind schedule? And just got some life-saving oxygen due to Trump. Trump is immaterial. In case you don't follow international politics, no one is seriously counting on him for any war scenario.
  it’s worse than kidnapping.
  It could be worse than "kidnapping", but it's still not "kidnapping".
  
  Okay then its murder your fuhrer is murdering his citizens
  
  Its not murder because its legal 🤓
  
  it's a reality, in all but name means that people are already being taken against their will (ie kidnapping); but it's not being called kidnapping because the west ukranians are in control (for now).
  
  Glad we agree it's not kidnapping then.
  
  You’re right, he should just give everything to the Russian oligarchy, right?
  Just so you know, no one believes you. You’re only fooling yourself.
  
  he should just give everything to the Russian oligarchy, right?
  He should not confine, terrorize and kidnap innocent people.
  no one believes you
  But I didn't say anything that needs believing, all of that are extremely well documented facts.

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