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  • Not yet, they're still the best option that doesn't use Chromium (I don't count Safari), but Servo is looking pretty promising

  • I've tried every now and then but could never switch to firefox fully. It was either big ram usage, slowness, or the inability to handle more than 2 tabs. On android. On pc its just the first 2.

    Cromite.

  • Is there anything in the new ToS that's even bad? Like, there are lots of people breathlessly ranting about how privacy is dead because Mozilla mentioned the existence of third parties and gibberish like that, but when I read it myself it mostly seemed like they were just saying that if you use third party services through Firefox then the third parties will have your data. That seems kinda like a nothingburger of a controversy to me. I dunno, I'm not a lawyer, maybe I missed something, but if so I certainly haven't seen anybody else explain it properly.

    • They also recently removed the promise to never sell data: https://programming.dev/post/26136291

      There's this comment (https://lemmy.zip/post/32886349/16923402) in this post (https://lemmy.zip/post/32886349?sort=Top) that should be interesting

      You can't see it from Beehaw as beehaw defederated Lemmy.world

      • They removed a broadly worded promise that might theoretically be used to get them in trouble for selling anonymized data. I'm not happy about that, but it doesn't surprise me.

        The rest is just people being angry at Mozilla for describing how a modern web browser works, because other companies have pointed at similar language to argue that they have the right to do whatever they want with any information they collect and no one has stopped them. That sucks, but the problem is that there are no consequences for large corporations, not that Mozilla is using the information you put into your browser to access the internet for you. Maybe Mozilla will also decide to intentionally misinterpret their own legalese to train some garbage AI, but the absolute worst case scenario is that they're the same as every other significant browser, and a more reasonable interpretation would be that the non-profit organization is probably not profit motivated and actually means the things they say.

        Who knows. I can't see the future, but without Firefox forks of it are a dead-end, and any other browser is still going to collect a bunch of information and use it to navigate the web for you, because that's just how today's garbage javascript laden websites work. Yelling at Mozilla for explaining that in their ToS isn't going to fix it, and Ladybird isn't going to magically change how those websites work. If you really want to do something about it, don't use those websites. Good luck with that.

    • You're right that it's nothing big, but the kind of people super into purity tests tend to congregate on the fediverse (which I find a little ironic but am also happy to have some people around who accept no compromises).

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  • Well, I have been using Zen, a Firefox fork for the past 6 months, and they have yet to clarify their stance on the ToS update.

    Anyway, I don't think I'll change anyway, we need Gecko in the browser engine landscape and I have been so used to Firefox'S UI and flexibility that I have a hard time imagining myself not using a Firefox-based browser.

  • Coincidentally, I just found out about Floorp yesterday, in no relation to this ToS change, and will take a look at it soon. Keep in mind I haven't looked at all yet, so I have no clue if they have a worse ToS or something.

  • I've been inching towards Gnome Web (WebKit) for a while now. Every time I try using it I last a little longer than last time before I encounter some deal breaking issue and return to Firefox.

    In the short term I'm considering sticking to Firefox for work, and using Gnome Web for all other kinds of distractions. I'm writing this in Gnome Web right now, and it's working great. :)

    On mobile I'll probably stick to Firefox for a while. So they will still have all my data, and if I have to choose between Mozilla and Google it will still be Mozilla. But my god I wish they would stop acting like idiots.

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