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Self report: AITPTB for banning someone for report abuse?

So, I saw a report from one of my users. They reported:

https://ponder.cat/post/1594852/1813842

For the reason:

Unreasonable fighting with everyone in every simple post

I think that's ridiculous, so I talked with them about it. Posting private communications is frowned upon I guess, but long story short, they weren't receptive. I've decided to ban the account.

IMO the general culture on Lemmy is that users are entitled to their free account and everyone needs to be careful and circumspect about limiting that entitlement in any way, but I don't see it that way. I don't think it's a requirement for me to provide hosting space for anyone who wants to use my stuff as a jumping-off point for abuse of Lemmy's systems, and isn't apologetic or receptive when I talk with them about not doing that. The fact that it's in service of harassing FlyingSquid in particular is just icing on the cake, since my perception is that people like to harass him apparently for no legitimate reason at all (with this as an example).

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  • I’ve seen them posting in communities and instances they have previously been banned from.

    Name one. Provide examples. Lots of admins talk to each other. So let's see some proof of what you have seen.

    The vast, vast majority of my posting is to my own communities. But I'm totally fine with you showing some screen shots of where you have seen me posting to places I am banned from with--time stamps to show that they were posted AFTER any ban. PhiliptheBucket seems to have every timestamp of everything I am posting and even he is not accusing me of what you just have.

    So give me an example of where you have seen me posting to a banned instance and/or community AFTER I was banned.

    I’m almost certain they are ban evading with their alts.

    But you just said you've seen me posting in communities and on instances I've been banned from. Now you are saying "almost certain."

    So which is it? Did you see me like you said above or are you "almost certain?"

    And if you are so sure of it it, did you report those to the admin? And do you have examples? Let's have a look.

    I keep the same fucking username. So it would be pretty hard for me to post in communities that I'm banned from. Seems like the mods could spot it right away.

    If wanted to ban evade, wouldn't it be easier to just come up with a random name and then post wherever I wanted?

    And again, guys. I am NOT the subject of OP's original post. This is all off-topic. This thread is not about me. Let it go!

    • You are notorious for ban evasion. The fact that you’re here casting aspersions on others for doing what you do clearly indicates the fact that you’re a troll.

      • I haven't evaded any bans. Please provide proof that I post in communities that I've been banned from. People keep saying that about me, but show show no proof of it.

        And when I see people masquerading as me trying to post in banned communities in order to get you all riled up, I report them to admin and to mods. As I had to do just yesterday with "multiversal_monk@lemmy.sdf.org." and multiple accounts of someone calling themselves "RealUniversalMonk."

        • Aaahhh… the old “it’s not me” trick.

          • I alerted admins to him. I know who he is. He's done it before. He'll do it again. He's mad because in the early days I made fun of people with ai girlfriends. He got offended because he had one. Then he got more mad because I refused to vote for Harris in the election.

            He also makes parodies of his OWN accounts, so that he can blame it on me. He's been stalking me since that first day I was on Lemmy and made fun of ai girlfriends. Which is hilarious to me! :)

            His work can be seen in this very thread. He can be pretty maggoty sometimes. :)

            Unless you're an admin for an instance that I'm on, I don't care if you believe me.

            Notice that I'm still on Lemmy in spite of you all wanting me off. My main instances (which I won't name so you guys don't send them hateful DM's) know the truth and stand behind me. :)

            Thanks, friend!

            • While that is some top-notch trollsmanship, you do know I don’t believe any of that bullshit, right? I’d imagine very few do. And, I’m not sure if you’re aware, but- most people generally don’t go where they’re not wanted. And as you have acknowledged, no one wants you here.

              Lastly, if you’re accusing @SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world of impersonating you, you should own the accusation and not beat around the bush.

              • Actually just found another fake UniversalMonk posting to lemm.ee, which I have been banned from. And I just reported to the mod of c/conservative and the admin @EllaSpiggins@lemm.ee to report. :)

                Hmmm, and the user created that name just recently. Around the time this thread was started. Wow, what a strange coincidence. A heated debate of my ban evading. So I post proof that I don't post in communities that I have been banned from.

                Then magically there are accounts with my name suddenly posting in communities I have been banned from. Even tho that wasn't happening before this conversation.

                Wow! What a coincidence! Imagine that. Right? Hmmm.. I wonder who could have done that. Hmmm...let me think. Who has had it out for me since before the election..and was really really mad that I didn't vote for harris? And would actually post stats of how many posts I made and my downvote count? Hmmm..oh and even made parody accounts of himself to accuse me of doing that...Who ever could that be? Hmmm...

                You all need to pull up some admin logs so that truth can be known! lol

                She may ignore messages from me since I have been banned from there, but feel free to message her yourself for verification. And I'd invite admins do that as well.

                My message to the admin:

                • Nice try.

                  • You know I'm right.

                    • Yeah, the person that has been banned by countless communities and instances across lemmy- and currently can’t stop getting themselves banned should totally be trusted to tell the truth.

                      And would you just look at that? You were banned as recently as less than an hour ago. Looks like even the conservatives can’t stand you.

                      • And yet, I'm still here. Of course conservatives can't stand me--I'm not conservative. I don't believe in the duopoly. Which is why I proudly voted Socialist party and will continue to do. Can't wait for the next election, so I can vote for a socialist party again.

                        And half of those Universal Monks being banned aren't even me. LMAO They're trolls who are silly enough to use my name to try to get me banned. But they get banned with that name. So waste of their time.

                        But thanks for being so obsessed with me that you keep stats on my name. For some who can't stand me, you sure to seem to study me a lot.

                        Thanks, friend! :)

              • While that is some top-notch trollsmanship, you do know I don’t believe any of that bullshit, right?

                I don't care if you believe me or not.

                Besides it's lame trolling anyway. Because using my name and posting in a place I'm banned from, gets that name banned right away anyway.

                So they are legit wasting their time. I've been banned from c/politics on .world. In the last 3 days, three different fake accounts with my name have posted there. And the comments get removed and the user gets banned right away. Like what's the fucking point of them doing that?! lolol

                I've actually talked to one of the mods there about it. Feel free to ask Jordan about it. I alerted him and let him know there would be even more attempts and to keep a look out for this name and variations of my name.

                My name is poison already. Using it and impersonating me doesn't do anything but just make more people think I'm everywhere--which would just be an example of "feeding the troll." It legit makes me laugh that that dude is so obsessed with me that he impersonates me.

                The whole reason I am still on my main instances is because I don't ban evade. The whole reason I use the same user name on my different instances is so that it's recognizable right away. If I were to post in a banned community or on a banned instance under this user name, it'd be instantly recognizable and banned. That's the whole reason I use this name on other instances. To prove you all wrong.

                The ONLY reason there are imposters of me is because they want you all to get riled up and have the entire fediverse ban me. But my main instance admins already know this. And that's why I'm still here.

                If I wanted to ban evade, I'd just use a different name. I sure as fuck wouldn't use "Universal Monk," "REAL Universal Monk," or "Multiversal Monk." lololol

                And if my name ever does get banned from entire fediverse, then I'll just use a different username.

                I'm not fucking leaving Lemmy. No matter how much you all get mad about it. This name or another, I'll be here. I'm not going anywhere. I'm retired. I have all the fucking time in the world to post on Lemmy. One way or another, I'll keep posting. I also have my own instances.

                Save yourselves the grief and just block me. Because banning won't do anything.

                Thanks, amiko!

                • Yeah, didn’t read past the part where you said you didn’t care if I believed you- then created a wall of text.

                  You clearly don’t care.

                  • Of course you're gonna say that you didn't read it. Because I proved you wrong. And you don't wanna hear that.

                    And actually, yes, you did read it. :)

                    • Well, I can’t prove a negative, so I guess that’ll just have to be as irrelevant as your presence here.

                      But what I can do, is I can promise that whatever it says, I don’t give a shit. And Rhys is a proven positive.

                      Oh, and lastly- remember that day you got originally banned? I’d like you to know that I was the one that reported your vulgar and harassing PMs you kept sending me after I told you several times to leave me alone. Remember that? Well, within a an hour or so after my report- you were banned from .world. I’d like you to always remember- I did that.

                      You’re a troll. You don’t belong here.

                      • so I guess that’ll just have to be as irrelevant as your presence here

                        If I'm so irrelevant, then there shouldn't be any reason for calls to ban me, right? :)

                        I don’t give a shit.

                        We agree! It's a fun flame war, but it's fucking Lemmy. It ain't real life! LMAO

                        I’d like you to know that I was the one that reported your vulgar and harassing PMs you kept sending me after I told you several times to leave me alone.

                        lololol Remember when you thought I was a russian spy, then you thought I was a GROUP of russian spies getting paid in rubles, and that I'd disappear from Lemmy after the election? Remember how mad you were that I wasn't voting for Harris? Remember how you all thought that I was capable of throwing the election?! On fucking Lemmy?!

                        .world was a toxic shithole. Still is. Which is why it's such a popular instance for complaints in this very community.

                        You banning me from .world didn't stop me at all and allowed me to spread out and find better instances.

                        So I guess your little plan of banning me from Lemmy didn't work. Because I'm still here.

                        And people creating fake Universal Monk accounts just shows how much people are obsessed with me.

                        I'm still here.

                        So actually you did me a favor!! My name is everywhere now.

                        Just think, if you wouldn't have got me banned on Lemmy, I'd still be there, and you'd have just one name to block, and you'd never even see me. Isn't that funny? But I'm not leaving Lemmy. Ever. Even if I have to create a thousand usernames on a thousand instances.

                        Thank you for creating me, friend! :)

    • You were caught here in the act posting to communities on an instance you were banned from.

      • Also caught cloning other users...

        • Woah glad you caught that, just gave a ping to sopuli.xyz's admins on the page hopefully they'll respond soon and deal with that.

          • He has a few other alts as well, but it's not exactly my day job to keep detailed notes. However, I am sick of his shit and that dude is a fucking cockroach.

            TBH, I don't think it's really against any rules to dup a username across instances as SMCF is actually on .world. However, this is being done with malice and should be addressed. UM must have been holding a grudge from when he was banned from .world.

            • Honestly, I think the issue is that it really is a job, and there isn't anyone who's really well-positioned to take charge of it.

              Any system which allows easy, anonymous account creation is going to be subject to some level of abuse. Any system which does that, and also is distributed among multiple instances with admins who don't always see eye-to-eye on things, is going to be absolutely helpless in the face of even a very rudimentary attempt at abuse, and anyone who wants to will be able to run rings around the admins and just kind of run around doing whatever they want. Telling people "just block the obnoxious people on whatever new accounts they make when they get banned" obviously isn't the answer, but it's what people fall back on because it is the only thing that can be relied upon to work.

              I think Bluesky's idea of federating out block lists (basically, as I understand it) is probably the most straightforward non-awful way. You don't want to make every new user encounter every obnoxious person and learn, one by one, who they are and that they need to block them. That way lies madness.

              • Shared block lists could be implemented into the clients as well, but it would take a bit to keep those from getting abused and wouldn't scale over time too well.

                But yeah, this is a major issue with Lemmy and is probably the major reason I don't think this platform can scale up to Reddit size. Once trolls take over, everyone will leave.

              • federating out block lists

                I'm fine with that. In fact, I'd love you all to just block me rather than create new thread all the time trying to ban me from the fediverse--simply because you don't like news articles that I post. lol

                Please, please, please work on that.

                As I have always said, block me and ignore me. But banning is just silencing disagreeing opinions.

                I have a right to say what I want. You have the right to ignore me. But I am allowed to be here.

                  • Here's me, at 9:04 on Feb 4, mentioning you: https://ponder.cat/post/1520414/1734558
                  • Also there is you, at 9:10, replying to me (which I didn't see because I have that alt blocked): https://ponder.cat/post/1520414/1734616
                  • I'm not sure how much I can say without violating some kind of privacy line. But, at 9:38, you were interacting with my content from a little while before any of this had happened, from your sh.itjust.works account.
                  • Then, at 9:39, you switched to your vegantheoryclub account and the first thing you did was comment under a post I'd made a couple of hours prior: https://ponder.cat/comment/1734903

                  Not sure how much clearer I can make it. I would love to be able to block and move on, that's what I did. You are committed to not respecting the block, taking actions from new alts which will send me notifications, and then lying in this strange fashion about it. I understand why you're pretending that's not what you did. But I'm happy to provide proof in the form of screenshots or anything else. Or, any admin can verify it.

                  You are allowed to be here, sure. Everyone is. You're not allowed to violate the rules of the space. And, when someone's sufficiently unrepentant about not respecting the rules of the space, they lose their right to be here. Your commitment to going beyond "saying what you want" and instead, among other things, starting to harass and irritate other users deliberately when they exercise their right to say what they want, is exactly what keeps losing you accounts. That's the system protecting itself.

                  • I understand why you’re pretending that’s not what you did.

                    I'm not pretending anything. Dude, I have no way of knowing of how you block me or don't block me or what names you have blocked or what instances you have blocked.

                    You have taken your "minor" annoyance and made it this huge thing like I am fucking stalking you which is false.

                    You have all the fucking stats on me and where I post and how I post, then you can fucking see how little you and I actually interact.

                    I alternate through my accounts on different instances regularly. Each instance has a different vibe. That's the fucking fediverse. I'm sorry you don't like that I can do that.

                    So for the love of whatever gods you like, please come up with a #wildcard script that will just block every instance of my name. I have no reason to follow you. But you post a LOT. So our paths will cross.

                    I have never harassed you. Stop saying that. Responding to a post that you made in a public forum is not harassing. You post in communities that i post it. That's the fucking internet.

                    IF I WANTED TO BLOCK/BAN EVADE, I WOULD COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT USERNAME TO DO IT! Which have not done.

                    Which brings up another subject, so I have a request. Since you seem to know where and how I post and every fucking second of the day I am online, can you please please please, address all the people who say that I am multiple people, that I live in russia, that I post 24 hours a day, and can you inform Draconic NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com and remotelove@lemmy.ca that I'm not the alts that they say I am? lol

                    Motherfuck, you all have gone batshit crazy over my name. You all have spent more time talking about me than the 10 seconds it would have taken to just fucking block me.

                    So use your little script program thingy, write some sort of wildcard name search script, put my name in it and boom! Every single instance of my username will be blocked even when I create a new one, and you can stop obsessing about me.

                    I'm not leaving Lemmy. I have just as much right as you do to be here. Even if I am on a 100 instances. Write your little wildcard name blocker and be done with it.

                    And again, I'm not the fucking point of your original post that this thread is about! This is all off-topic. lol

            • TBH, I don’t think it’s really against any rules to dup a username across instances as SMCF is actually on .world. However, this is being done with malice and should be addressed. UM must have been holding a grudge from when he was banned from .world.

              Yeah I agree, having multiple accounts with the same username is okay when your intention isn't to cause malice. When one is doing it to impersonate/namesquat or just to troll and ban evade then it's a problem. It's part of why I have as many as I do. It makes it extremely difficult for people to impersonate me, except on the handful of excommunicated instances I never signed up to but those will be very clearly recognized as impersonation.

              • Yeah I agree, having multiple accounts with the same username is okay when your intention isn’t to cause malice.

                Ok, then why bring all the stuff up? And I'm not even the subject of this thread.

                When one is doing it to impersonate/namesquat or just to troll and ban evade then it’s a problem.

                Which I have never done.

                It’s part of why I have as many as I do.

                So you are jumping on this bandwagon attacking me, and you have multiple freakin usernames on multiple instances? Say wat bro?! You were just pointing out how terrible i was for being multiple instances!

                • I frankly don't believe you and I don't think you believe that yourself. You've been caught in the act both for impersonation and ban evasion. You are not innocent here and if you were you should've appealed instead of making more accounts.

                  • You’ve been caught in the act both for impersonation and ban evasion.

                    Please provide proof. I have not impersonated anyone, nor have I been "caught in the act" of doing that. Please provide proof.

                    And please provide the ban evasion proof, because you last proof wasn't, and I showed why the admins didn't think it was either.

                    Also, I am not the subject of this PTB thread. I am not the user in the OP. So you all are going off-topic anyway.

            • He has a few other alts as well, but it’s not exactly my day job to keep detailed notes.

              As in alt names or instances? Because i have no alt names. If you don't have proof, then don't falsely accuse.

              Please show us the proof.

              TBH, I don’t think it’s really against any rules to dup a username across instances as SMCF is actually on .world.

              Then why bring it up?

              However, this is being done with malice

              You have no proof of this. Please show posts where I have malice.

              UM must have been holding a grudge from when he was banned from .world.

              No, YOU have been holding a grudge from that. Let it go. It was before the election. I didn't vote for Harris. And she lost. But her loss wasn't my fault. Get over it.

              • I told you to quit mumbling. I can't hear a word you are saying.

                • I told you to quit mumbling. I can’t hear a word you are saying.

                  I've reported you for false accusations. Funny how everytime I have a counterpoint, you ask me to quit mumbling. I've made myself quike clear.

                  Unless you have proof, don't accuse.

          • Already done, and I asked them to removed accounts that were cloned/parodying me as well. I wasn't the one who cloned anyone or anything.

            Please provide proof to me, this audience, and the admins if you have any proof.

        • Also caught cloning other users

          Wasn't "caught" doing anything. I haven't cloned other users. Do you have proof of this?

          I use my own name across several instances. I haven't cloned or copied anyone.

          • What?

            • Still waiting on proof that I cloned or copied anyone's username. You brought up, so show us the proof.

              This is a community about proof of accusations. So show us.

      • caught here in the act

        Nope. Read the entire thing. That's a robotic ban that the the mod, auk, admitted was a ban that I would know nothing about. In fact, after reviewing, auk said: As I said under the other post, I do believe this evasion was entirely unintentional, for the reasons you outlined.

        And later the mod, auk, said of my participation: I’m not planning to set the bot up to notify dozens of users about their bans in a community they have never posted in and don’t care about. Notice it says "never posted in and don't care about."

        And the admin of that instance and other instances agreed that I couldn't have known about the ban because it was robotic. Other users also agreed look at the subs modlog, users who HAVE NEVER POSTED THERE GET BANNED without their knowing: https://sh.itjust.works/post/27848698

        Which is why I didn't get banned from that instance after admin review. Funny how you left out those details. Screenshot proof of convo:

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