US Bill proposed to jail people who download Deepseek

As well as banning research. Absurd overreach of government and it will accomplish the opposite of what it wants.

- Of the US's own capabilities?
It’s definitely not because it’s a competitor to Grok (x.ai) who just spend $6 billon on GPUs or anything

In the United States you get sent to prison if you use the wrong slop machine

US doing exactly what they accuse Communist China of doing exhibit 420

@HiddenLayer555 yeah... it's exactly the same, isn't it? We can't even talk about it...
- Just you wait...

"American Liberty", ladies and gentleman.

A dying empire doing everything it can to delay the inevitable. We really are watching the beginning of the end of the US hegemony aren't we?

Prof Richard Wolff has a great analysis of things: https://youtu.be/9u4A0D_Wc9c
- As usual. Love that guy.
The theory that the builders of Empire were the ones that understood it, and the inheritors of Empire are true believers in the false justification the builders gave and thus defeat itself when given the reigns is coming more and more true.

another great day of not being an american

The whole globe is sliding right. It's not a great day for anyone.
- true but they will not stop me. even if i was american, i'd download deepseek, idc about anything at this point
- Sliding right and left. It's becoming more polarized as Empire decays.
- Yeah, thanks to steve bannon, elon musk and facebook

Anyone who doesn't know how to (safely!) pirate books, articles, films, games and software, please read, use and share the resources over at !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com

This skill is increasingly useful.

Genuinely great comm and resource.

We need some Firefly emotes on Hexbear. Especially the combination of the USA-Chinese flag.

They'll sing praises of the "free market" all day, until it stops going their way.

So we've gone from banning books to banning apps.

could face up to 20 years in jail, a million dollar fine, or both.

So I'd get less for stabbing someone.

And you wouldn't believe how less it gave you for stealing millions from a pension fund.

oh, these third world dictatorships with no consideration for individual freedoms and human rights...

no, wait.

HELL YEAH I'M GONNA BREAK THE LAW

Didn't I just read an article about Apple wanting to use it. It's open source it can be forked and be American tomorrow. No matter how much Openai crys. This just shows the true lack of any knowledge on the subject. I'm not a fan of the Chinese government as much of the next guy. But the information is out there.

Perplexity already runs a US copy of it.
- Exactly
Apple wants to use it in China
- I can't confirm if this is correct or not but another example is you can use deepseek in aws bedrock right now. So it's makes the same point.
Honest Questions Can a model be open source? Dont we need the data it was trained on to truly be able to reproduce, understand and modify it?
- No a model is a model now if you are talking a chat bot or ai app yeah you need the data and that data changes all the time but if I have the model I can supply my own and get simalr results to their model if the data I need is the same. The code is right here https://github.com/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V3?tab=readme-ov-file I can get the models from https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V3-Base and train them further and redistub that model legally. Per
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- sure a model could theoretically be open source, but in this case that source would be 1) the software to train the model and 2) the training data, and good fucking luck getting either of those honestly.
  the AI sphere has co-opted the term "open source" because it sounds nice, what they actually mean is just "a free copy", a free copy of deepseek is available for download.
  They seem to be able to fiddle a lot with the models, but in the end calling it open source is just blatantly not fucking true.

Good thing I've just accepted a faculty position outside the US.

I'll get to move to a country that doesn't persecute academics and I think I'm just beating the crowds on the way out.

Nice to see the brain drain of the US in action. I'm glad I don't have to see it's downfall firsthand.
Show off
Where are you going? I'm currently on last yr of PhD and thinking of leaving, but I don't know if I should abandon the PhD to leave or not. I'd like to finish it, at least do it remotely, but chances of finding work immediately after PhD are slim.
- The position is in Germany. It might be out of the frying pan and into the fire given Germany's right wing rise, but that's happening across the western nations and we're all in trouble.
  I don't have a ton of advice for you. I defended over 10 years ago, so I'm moving straight into a tenured/permanent position as senior faculty. For an ABD, I'm not sure what the landscape looks like these days.
  If you want to make the move, start talking to people. Reach out to people publishing in your field and talk shop. Collaborate with them, talk about the future, and be willing to take a postdoc (or german system W1) position. It's more ramen and a small bedroom, but it's one where there's healthcare and civil rights.
  Academia (and most professions) are all about networks. Talk with people, collaborate, and grow that network. Something will come along.

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> be european
> deepseek gets banned
> "hardfork" it to a european hosted gitlab instance
> see openai and xai tears flowing again

they want to jail people who use Deepseek

but not people who use Tiktok or Xiaohongshu
XHS has been out for weeks longer than Deepseek yet no action

this means that Deepseek is way more important and Sam Altman or someone else has tremendous power over the US government compared to facebook/google executives?

Well OpenAi and the companies that are set up to support them like Nvidia

Guess you'll have to jail all the chuds and libs who typed "Tienanmen Square Massacre" so they could post the screenshot on Reddit as some kind of gotcha on China.

It's only a proposed bill (thankfully), but definitely one to keep an eye on.

Hawley introduced the legislation, titled the Decoupling America’s Artificial Intelligence Capabilities from China Act, on Wednesday of last year.

For people who see this, I think they meant "last month."

Yeah jail everyone doing piracy too (they also might do that lmao) im reporting every republican I know using an illegal firestick,ill make california blue

Lmao.

The theory that the builders of Empire were the ones that understood it, and the inheritors of Empire are true believers in the false justification the builders gave and thus defeat itself when given the reigns is coming more and more true.

if i was american i'd download it rn

You're supposed to fine companies, not jail people wtf

Ima download it even harder now

Cool! Do a flip next.

Might as well go all the way if you're doing stunts.

Yeah that TikTok ban is paying off already! We really saved the children this time!!! WAhooo!!!! \s \s \s

what a joke.

Clown Country
Some jokes are not amusing.
- Yes in this context it means "pathetic". For people who were thinking I mean the other meaning of joke.

Download it now, then. Before it becomesa law.

America is a democratic country ?

Yes, it's democratic for the class that holds power.
- Always has been. Jpeg

Outlawing Chinese AI in the USA might seem like a "straightforward solution", but it could have unintended consequences: escalation, underground development, and missed opportunities. At the end of the day, the goal should be to protect human rights and promote transparency, not just in the US or China, but around the world.

At the end of the day, the goal should be to protect human rights and promote transparency, not just in the US or China, but around the world.
Who is gonna tell this person the truth?

On a side note, wasn't this the guy that Sean O'Brien praised for being pro-worker?

Surprise surprise, those given access to the levers of power in the US are almost never pro-worker in reality.

Anybody have a mirror link? It'd be a shame if I accidentally downloaded it.

I got it from ollama. You can select what version you want and how many parameters the model has. There are probably a few other mirror sites, but for now I think you could try out with this, until the law is passed and comes into effect.

According to the language of the proposed bill, people who download AI models from China could face up to 20 years in jail, a million dollar fine, or both.

Gulag ain't "jail"

This almost certainly will go nowhere.

Can't even respect their own anthem

Well, we do have ex post facto protection for the moment, soooo...

Yeah I have it on every device I own now.

No reason to use it ever, but it's there. Like, not installed, but there.

Now, American you don't have right to say China is bad because it do censorship.

Ex post facto much?

Man I always thought Hawley would be a good president for the US.

Now I'm not so sure anymore.

lemmy.world never fails lmao
- lmao
You mean the coward who sent fundraising messages while hiding inside the Capitol on Jan 6?
- Should he have fought the mob instead?

Good. They banned it here in Taiwan because it is a psyops tool even if you run the modal locally.

Cope harder lmao
Do you have a source on Taiwan banning the local model? I only see this:
"Government agencies and critical infrastructure should not use DeepSeek, because it endangers national information security," according to a statement released by Taiwan's Ministry of Digital Affairs, per Radio Free Asia.
"DeepSeek AI service is a Chinese product. Its operation involves cross-border transmission, and information leakage and other information security concerns."
https://thehackernews.com/2025/02/taiwan-bans-deepseek-ai-over-national.html?m=1
How? Do they block access to github? What happens when you click this link?