Tankie Communities lack all subtlety

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/24992262

A positive score comment chastising an evil dictatorship for supporting a fascist gets removed.

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YDI. That statement is overbroad, and the mods were right to hand out a ban for baiting people into an argument, especially since Tankies ≠ Anarchists in the first place.
Also, your conclusion is a non sequitur.
- Nobody argued with me, my comment was +12 -4 with no replies.
  And the community wouldnt remove a comment insulting Tankies unless the community was Tankies. Read their sidebar, it's an "anticapitalist" community.
  
  Ratio is meaningless. Communities are not democracies, and mods have every right to ensure people don't get into bad-faith arguments. Additionally, some instances have downvotes turned off and some users don't bother with them even if they're on. Votes are necessarily a biased sample, so pointing to your ratio is about as useful as saying, "But look how many chocolate coins I got!"
  Anyway, removing a comment about Tankies doesn't mean you support Tankies, especially when it's obvious ragebait. "You don't agree with me, therefore you're against me" is irrational.
  Also, anticapitalist ≠ Tankie, just as being a communist or socialist or anarchist isn't equivalent. It just means you don't like capitalism. How that perspective is expressed in each community will vary, and just because Tankies don't like capitalists doesn't mean that it follows that everyone who doesn't like capitalists is also a Tankie.
  
  Or they don't want to deal with obvious trolls in their community?
  See it being removed for flamebait

I don't know. I don't want to play apologetics for the tankies, but showing up in a tankie community and telling them that they're supporting fascism just sounds like trolling to me. You know what you're doing, and them taking the bait isn't power tripping.
- That post hasnt been removed yet. If you look at the image you see a comment has been removed on the modlog.
  The comment says that the CCP supports Nazis which is true, and that Tankies are all Nazi Supporters. It had a +12 -4 ratio.
  
  What is the original post?
  
  CCP supports Nazis which is true
  Citations needed.

Troll.

That doesn't track anyway, the china helping trump get elected part.
If china wanted trump then they are fucking stupid from their own standpoint. Orange man hates them and is slapping them with tariffs, and china's biggest trade partner is us.
Unless there's some 5d chess explantation, I'm going with that doesn't pass the sniff test.
But there's another prominent evil dictator who trump is besties with who absolutely does interfere in our elections that might deserve the accusation
- Trump destroying America and it alienating itself from its global allies and pushing its trade partners away with punitive tariffs will only drive them towards China.
  China wanted Trump because he is a destructive force and will only hurt America, they and everyone else in the world can weather the tariffs for a few years.
  
  Could be true, but me wanting a sports team to win, doesn't make me responsible for them winning. Trump had plenty of direct support, and none of it was CCP.
  China strategy meme: Do nothing. win.
- TikTok, Xi Jinping, and online Tankie communities actively promoted Donald Trump. Trump weakening the USA and most importantly NATO is exactly what China desires, and Tariffs are paid for by US Citizens: not China. There was talk of Xi Jinping going to Trump's Inauguration until the outdoor event was cancelled.
  It's not 5D chess it's fucking Checkers, mate.
  
  Just because tariffs are payed by the people of the importing country doesn't mean they are not harmful to the exporter as well. I mean what do you think the natural consequence of tariffs are? As price goes up for the consumer they are going to reduce their buying of the product to the minimum amount they can get by with, which means less imports into the country imposing tariffs, which means less exports from the country who had tariffs imposed upon them. You forget that tariffs are bad for everyone involved. So no, it is not logical for China to back the Cheeto.

I'm not american nor do i keep tabs much. How did the CCP help trump get the presidency?
- TikTok (the biggest one on this list)
  Actual endorsement from the actual mouth of Xi Jinping
  Every online Tankie community like Hexbear and Lemmygrad actively promoted him
  
  How dare you, sir/madam/person. They didn't promote him, they just insisted Biden was worse than he was. That's obviously very different, and not at all a MAGA thing to say.

Textbook example of flamebait and disinfo leads to textbook example of YDI

YDI
While all Nazis may be fascists, not all fascists are Nazis specifically. So it's incorrect use of language, i.e. at least misinfo if not delivered with intent to mislead that would be disinfo.
While there is a great deal of similarity between the Alt-Left tankies and the Alt-Right MAGATs, that doesn't mean that tankies are actual Nazis, just that they support them with such misleading rhetoric as BoTh SiDeS sAmE.

So this is definitely flamebait. You weren't trying to convince anyone of anything, just venting your frustrations at the world. People will be more receptive if you consider that their consent to receive messages should matter as well.
- A better term is "Red Fascist". They're not fascists by definition, but supporting totalitarianism and state capitalism (which isn't even that left lol) and supporting genocide, and purges of people who follow different ideologies than them such as anarchists sounds pretty familiar...
  Can't forget the cult of personality.
  
  But aren't our particular brand of them here on Lemmy straight-up "tankies" as well? As in they literally, not even merely figuratively, deny that anyone died in the Tiananmen Square massacre?
  Or rather than say that tankie is not accurate, do you mean that it is more inclusive?
- TikTok, Xi Jinping, and all Online Tankie communities heavily favored Trump in the USA Election.
  The CCP and Tankies support Nazis.
  
  Yes, or more to the point they express favor towards anything that would lead to violent upheaval of the entire Western civilization. Such as beheading landlords, which includes anyone who merely has a bank account that earns interest i.e. old people's retirement.
  Isn't this still flamebait though?

Attacking tankies in an anarchist (anti-tankie) sub with a wacky (racist) conspiracy about (not anarchist) china supporting nazis?
Worth banning.
- (racist)
  Tbf, they said "CCP", not "Chinese"
- Is the racism in the room with us right now, dear?
  
  They/OP won't stop replying to people pointing out they are the asshole. So yes it is sadly
- Equating the CCP with Chinese is the same thing Zionists do to call people antisemitic by equating the Israeli government with Jews.
  
  Also the same thing Israel and Fox News do to conflate Palestine with Hamas.
- Lmao why would they delete a comment specifically insulting Tankies, then? Those are Tankies bro, read their sidebar.

The nazis in the white house = Trump? CCP did not elect him.
CCP isn't tankie. They don't celebrate what happened 35 years ago, much less had a need to do the same recently.

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