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2d ago

Federal Abortion Ban introduced.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/722

114 comments

You leftists are so dramatic. We just want to leave it to the individual states. Nobody is trying to enact a federal ban.

Real shame we never had a democrat majority in House/Senate/Presidency that could have codified this at any point in the last 50 years
This will also motivate many people to turn out and vote lib, reinforcing the cycle of
liberals moving right > losing > conservatives doing horrid shit > people voting liberals back in
- Republicans have an agenda, and they rail it through at every opportunity. I've never seen, in my lifetime, a unified effort by the liberal wing of fascism on almost anything. Even when they have full control of the government, they get nothing done somehow.
  
  I have seen the Dems unite under expanding war and genocide a few times so they have at least some cohesiveness
  
  I wouldn’t say got nothing done.
  Just look at Biden’s presidency: ending Europe’s economy, expansion of military contracts by starting wars everywhere, instituting austerity through high interest rate that transferred wealth from poor people (predominantly black and Hispanic) to white people, huge payout to Wall Street (S&P went up two fold under strong inflation), restored America’s oil and gas exporter profit after the prices were kept low under Trump.
  They’ve done a lot, just not for you.
  
  Uh, pretty sure they renewed the Patriot Act a couple times.
  
  You've always got your token senator to blame it on like Lieberman, Manchin, Sinema, Fetterman, etc. There's always a focus on the individual, instead of the senatorial system itself, which is dumb and only exists to placate slave states and the rich.
  I wish there was a way to show the Democrats are to blame. All o ever get in response is that people need to learn civics and government to see its not actually their fault.
  
  parliamentarian says no material conditions sorry
  
  Muh checks and balances, muh obscure rules that everyone ignores until its time to do something actually good
- question from a non-american: How does codifying it stop republicans from undoing it/banning abortions?
  
  It doesn't stop them, but it would have extended federal protection and forcibly legalized it in all states.
  Such legislation would have had to been overturned either by the Supreme Court (typically after it makes it's way up the court chain), or by new legislation being passed to annul it.
  One could argue that since it only requires a simple majority to do either action (to my knowledge), conservatives would have easily undone it multiple times in that span as well; but I would posit that the risk of someone undoing a good act is not a reason to not attempt it at all.

Delete your period tracking apps, folks.
Also, make no digital trail in relation to reproductive health matters.
- are there any truly local and encrypted apps for period tracking? I wanted to try making one if not but obviously no point if its redundant.
  I suppose it could still be broken into by the feds if they seize your phone (especially as they can usually coerce you to unlock it) so it would need to have extra safety features
  
  broken into by the feds if they seize your phone
  This is the scenario I'm imagining. You just know those misogynistic thugs are going to make every effort to persecute those who run afoul of these insane upcoming laws.
  
  It would also need it's own keyboard, Google tracks every word you type

we're extending the 14th amendment ONLY to fetuses folks
- New idea: conscript all fetuses at the moment of conception and then use the 3rd amendment to prevent them from being housed in your domicile
  
  so you want them to do away with the 3rd then?
- Trump bends the 14th one way to ban birthright, they bend it back this way to give citizenship to a fertilized egg that hasn't even implanted in a uterus yet

It is in the interest of the Democratic Party that their stated goals are never achieved, lest they have nothing to campaign on. How can you sell someone medicine if they aren’t sick? The Republicans do them a favor by making the country sicker and sicker.
- that's the whole thing that the right wingers always talk about "dems want you to be victims"

So the 14th amendment doesn’t apply to birth right citizen ship, but it applies to people who haven’t been born yet?
- I'm sure when they point out this obvious hypocrisy and inconsistency in a quipy Sorkinesque matter this will all be resolved very nicely, complete with a John Williams theme in the credits I'm sure!
- Your citizenship is revoked at birth, obviously

thanks biden

Good luck my fellow American comrades
- What does Biden have to do with this? Even if he did something about Roe vs Wade getting overturned, they would've overturned his action, right?
  
  He could have codified it so it couldn't be overturned, or only overturned by passing seemingly impossible hurdles. Plus this isn't a shock, for four years it's been known that this was on the table should Republicans win again, so any action would have at least been better optics than doing nothing. But it's worth noting that Biden doesn't personally support abortions anyways, so I reckon he's happy about this (if he can understand what's happening)
  
  Biden could legally kill Trump.
  
  yeah it's honestly more obama's fault for having a supermajority and not using it to enshrine any type of rights
  
  they would’ve overturned this action, right?
  So what? He was at the highest power, he could have easily told repubs to fuck off and make overturning it impossible

So what’s their planned enforcement mechanism for this? If states that have legalized abortion on the books simply say “we’re not directing our LEO to enforce this” like with legalized marijuana, what are they going to do? Send out the FBI agents they just fired for being the deep state?
- The enforcement has always been going after doctors.
  
  Exactly.
  Despite the power everyone else perceives them as having, doctors live in constant fear of the regulatory apparatuses they work within. Especially the socially-minded ones who you'd think would be the kind of people to engage in any sort of civil disobedience. They have many legal powers granted to them above those of regular people, but unlike other groups who have that (eg cops), they are subject to discipline from various directions. Licensing boards, insurers, practice associations, academic institutions, employers, funding of various sources, social peer pressure etc. Every lib doctor knows at least one story of some MD who got their license taken away for too much SJWing. And their identities are so wrapped up in being being doctors, they can't imagine any other life. Plus there is all the investment/debt of themselves and their families/communities in their education and practice. They know whatever future good they can do to help people, all that can be taken away from them instantly. So any given risk they think of taking to make a stand in this moment, what hangs in the balance is all the future lives they could save and good they might do in the future.
- Even in legal states, there are still federal raids on weed shops. The same will happen to doctors.
- Our own brown/blackshirts will be formed, theyll call it the BTA (Beauro of True Americans). Sorry ill get off the lathe.
- I could imagine them setting up a kind of "national civil enforcement" like what they've got in Texas, but on a Federal level. Allowing individual citizens to bring lawsuits in Federal court against doctors (or other individuals) for "facilitating abortion" would have enough of a chilling effect that they wouldn't necessarily need to count on state or local law enforcement.

I used to believe this would cause a backlash that would launch democrats into power, but after the last election I don't think that's true anymore.
Even so, that did happen, democrats would have to run on it (which they seem incapable of doing) and then they might even have to do something about it once they have power- which they've proven over and over again that they won't.
I guess everyone's going to have to get better at back alley abortions now? Fights to Canada ?
- On the West Coast we will need to do what it takes to figure for our rights taken and withheld from us by the genocidal and regressive United States empire.
  Comrades elsewhere in the lower United States, I'm not sure what options you have but we welcome you to come west and right with us for a better future. Our geographic isolation offers us this advantage.
  
  Rent’s expensive as shit there tho
  
  Genuinely I will be shocked if by the end of the century the west coast is still a part of the United States
  
  Serious question, since you seem to be in favor of Cascadian secession as a real thing, what do you make of the fact that large swathes of rural Washington, Oregon, and California are chud central? Seems like it'd be hard to win the war against the US at the same time as a civil insurrection by the hog brigades.
- lmao canada is no refuge
- Canada has little to no doctors (ie. sort of the opposite problem to US where it may not bankrupt you but you'll be on a waiting list for years to get a call back from general practitioner or family doctor like me).
  
  no we wait in the US too

If this passes, I look forward to the ensuing backlash of a blue wave... Of anti-abortion, anti-immigration, pro-charter school,
"progressives". That will show them.
- Looking forward to the police and surveillance apparatuses the democrats funded being used to enforce these laws
  
  Okay, but who could have foreseen a massive police state would be used to oppress its citizenry? I mean, what are the odds?
  
  "I will follow the law"
- I know people are stupid, but like even they can see that if democrats were truly anti abortion they would have done something under Biden especially after roe v wade was repealed
  
  You'd think so. But....

Death to Amerikkka

“preborn”
- I demand my rights as an American postmortem person.
  
  I think we deserve more posthumous rights.

This is so shitty, dude. Maybe sometimes, things do happen. Bad things, at least.

Welp we're fudged.
- I’ve been saying that this is one big punishment from the bourgeois ruling class to the people who didn’t want to play by their rules and chose to sit out of the election.
  Enough people will fold by the 2026 midterms and go back to voting the Democrats. All they have to do is to sit and wait for Trump to dish out the punishment for them.
  The system is designed to punish. You can’t force the Democrats to change their policy.
  
  The system is designed to punish. You can’t force the Democrats to change their policy
  Definitely true but it also appears to be the case that the whole system is collapsing so it may have been the right call to give the Democrats the middle finger in the interest of destroying American empire.
  
  I don't think anyone seriously thought that the Dems would change. The issue is that there was zero reason for someone to vote Dems, since they do not propose any alternative to Republican policies.
  
  I don't see how this makes sense at all, but ok lol
  
  Not sure why you seem to imply people want to (or should) use the ballot-box as an "enlist as a dog of empire" box.
  The most marginal demographics in the West have been getting raked over the coals since time immemorial; if more people need to see the inhumanity of bourgeoisie-rule in order to precipitate class-consciousness, that is better than scapegoating minorities to enjoy brunch another election cycle.
- Yeah, Republicans could theoretically pass this since they control house and Senate...we're fudged
  
  They would have to end the filibuster in the Senate to do so, I assume. Not saying that they won't -- it was always a cope for Democrats to not do so.
  
  Don't you need more than a simple majority to pass an amendment?

Get vasectomies/bisalps while you still can. Even if you think you might want kids later.
- I got mine about 6 months after our 2nd was born. It takes no time to perform, and you'll recover in at most 48 hours.
- Bisalp is permanent, vasectomy is not. In case anyone was wondering.
  
  Vasectomy reversals aren't a guaranteed thing (source: got snipped last month and they reiterated that over and over as part of their informed consent)
- Why? Have kids and raise them to be communists so they can be dragon slayers. My daughter wasn’t planned but by God I’m going to give her every bit of love, support, and wisdom that I never got. She’s being raised as a good communist and I know she will grow to pass it on to others. Is it tough being a parent right now? Yes, absofuckinglutely, but being anti-natalist is in some way pretty anti-communism. You want our villages to grow? You want good communities? You want a better future? Raise those children to be dragon slayers and give them knowledge than fascists cannot take advantage of.
  
  Lots of women do not want to birth a child since it’s traumatic and dangerous (especially in the US). If the choice is illegal, then the only sane option is to do everything you can to prevent unwanted pregnancy. As a man you have the responsibility of making sure your partner does not get pregnant if she doesn’t want to.
  The revolution is not won by birthing as many children as possible from communist parents. Many children from communist parents do not become communists themselves. Focus on educating the working class as a whole.
  
  Adoption.