Trump berates Danish PM over Greenland in ‘horrendous’ phone call
Mette Frederiksen insists territory is not for sale but president’s aggression suggests his demand for a US takeover is ‘serious’
As an European it's pretty clear now that the US is our enemy. This is just the start. We really need to put our military in order and prepare for the inevitable attack.
The good news is we are a very stupid enemy
It's impossible to catch up to the US war machine in 4 years only. We can only start the process, but I also doubt the US would sit by idly and let us become too powerful.
We dont need a large army to defend ourselfs. Just enough to deter.
Guess we can start by reaching the NATO spending goals
Please just don't nuke us. Most of us hate him.
As an Australian I wish we'd negotiate to join the EU. Philosophically we have more in common with the EU then America and together is better.
But we cant even join with New Zealand and od not ne suporsed if the EU didnt want us, I'd not want us, though we do all seem to mostly hate immigrants so we have that in common :(
Our previous governments have tied us to the US so tightly that we may as well be a US vassal state. Whatever America's foreign policy is, is Australia's policy. Our military is dependent on the US for its equipment.
It would be great to have more ties to the EU and SE Asian counties but thats unlikely to happen unfortunately.
Side note, New Zealand can however decide to join us. The Australian constitution has a provision that a successful referendum in New Zealand admits them to the Federation.
Given the All Blacks record however this is unlikely.
Don't worry. The US may have the most experienced, well funded, and outfitted military on the planet, but the bafoons at the top keep getting in the way of the military executing a war the way it wants to.
See: Iraq 2, WMD boogaloo, or the cult classic Vietnam: Congress goes to war.
You really aren't even joking at all. This is what happens when Congress gets out of the way of the military.
Dude has a channel dedicated to telling the unbelievable stories of what our soldiers have done when the leash comes off.
Warning: dude is a conservative, so his takes on socialism and communism are what you'd expect
The industrial military complex tips its hat and smiles.
Sorry for multiple posts, but my points are different.
Impose tariffs on Denmark? Do you all know what we import from Denmark? Medication and medical devices. So that would further increase the cost of healthcare in the US. He already signed an executive order to undo the $35 insulin cap for Medicaid recipients. He is actively raising healthcare prices.
Tariffs would only hurt both countries.
There is no way to impose tariffs on Danish goods. We're part of the EU, and the inner market, so we'll just send the goods from some other EU country. So any tariff on Denmark would have to be a tariff on EU.
Tariffs seem to be Trump's go-to move nowadays. "Grab them by the wallet".
Not "Grab them" but "Grab the US consumer". Tariffs raise prices inside the USA. The target country only loses by being less competitive in the US market.
Trump wants to raise import taxes on goods from everyone, so only US goods are competitive. Trouble is the US has exported a bunch of manufacturing so it must import.
Oh, not his beloved McDonald's.
It's also an integrated EU economy, so I'd assume the entire European single market would retaliate.
But yeah, he doesn't care about or understand that. Or at least won't until there's active unrest in America over the crazy inflation and layoffs.
It would hurt both countries, but Denmark can still sell their medication and medical devices to the rest of the world.
These tariffs in general are going to hurt Americans far more than anyone else.
Do you all know what we import from Denmark? Medication
Ozempic comes to mind. It's still under patent, so I guess there's no other source than Novo Nordisk in Denmark.
Not like trump cares about that
Do you think he cares?
That is very on brand for trump. Pissing off a former ally and messing up healthcare worse for "his own" country.
You know what is from Denmark? Ozempic
Wait he seriously undid the cap already??? Fucking for real?
Like I shouldn't be surprised...
It was only capped for Medicare recipients like retirees and congresspersons, HHS is still reporting it as active policy
Tariff wars alway hurt all involved.
https://lmddgtfy.net/?q=undo+insulin+cap+trump what are all these articles saying?
At what point is someone going to tell Donald that the end result of pushing and pushing on this narrative to the point of realization... Is going to result in Article 5 being activated, Europe and NATO formally going to war against the US, and the US tearing itself apart as factions decide to move to the Ammo box after the soap, ballot and jury boxes failed.
This is absolutely a red line. and it will cause a civil war. as well as the total destruction of the world order. Xi and Putin may end up getting so erect that they die of heart attacks.
I don't know why the Danish PM would waste his time even talking to Traitorapist Trump. The whole world knows Trump is a notorious liar.
I don't know why the Danish PM would waste his time even talking to Traitorapist Trump.
What ? Is there a gender thing I'm missing here?
Probably just didn't know and the majority of heads of state are men so it's not an unfair assumption. I certainly didn't know she was a woman and I wouldn't have looked it up to get the right pronouns in a post on here.
It is wild to think that EU-US relations might worsen because Trump wants to annex Greenland, jeez.
I believe that is therepublicans fascist's actual goal
Could be. People need to realize how strong the EU can be if they act as one. Just observe how hard authoritarian regime tries to kill the EU.
Yurop monke stronk together
And above them, Putin
The US president spoke to Mette Frederiksen for 45 minutes last week
45 minutes? Yikes. Poor fella.
"Spoke at" more likely too
Yelled at. Probably about sharks or something.
Just FYI. Mette Frederiksen is a woman. And a much more competent leader than Donald Trump.
Yes but that bar is so low not even a tardigrade would trip over it.
Said two things.
"ah, no"
...and then 40min of Trump rally speech with no coherency.
The man is utterly deranged. During his last term, one of the few things I was grateful for was that he didn’t start a new war. Apparently, he’s planning to make up for that.
I love that the map in the article only labels a few locations, but one of them is the Gulf of Mexico.
Nice subtle dig at the man-baby.
And Panama, and The Panama Canal! ROFL
That'd be funny to see but the article fades out before any maps
I can't wait for the US to enter the "find out" phase. It will take some time, sure, but heh, hubris always invites nemesis.
Yeah... Some country's "find out" phase in history occurred only after unspeakable horrors were committed and the country was crushed jnto submission by an international coalition. So... Idk
Yea I dont think anyone is going to enjoy the "find out" phase of this one. Maybe Putin, if he lives that long.
The find out phase also might mean come countries with equally unhinged leaders feel emboldened to attack others, as countries start divesting from their US relations.
Don't worry. We're working overtime on it.
I just hope the rest of the world takes mercy on those of us US citizens who just wanna live our lives in peace.
I'm more thinking in terms of: if you turn your back on your friends, they will turn their backs to you. Specifically: NATO article 5 has been invoked only once in NATO's history, after the September 11 attacks on the United States in 2001. And we were there for you, no questions asked. Now your country is threatening a NATO ally. Tread carefully.
I think it's going to be choose our have it chosen for you.
Ladies and gentlemen, the United States of America has gone rogue.
Trump ginning up beef with Greenland and Panama, for "security" and "defense" is all simply to grant geopolitical cover to Putin for Russia's invasion and ultimate annexation of Ukraine. "Watch me do the same thing as Russia for the same reasons" gives the world a second Imperialist foil, regardless of Trump's actual intent.
I don't feel safe, so I'm going to take my neighbours land. Then the bastard says no, and tells me to leave. I came back with a few friends to tell him he has no choice, or we will take it by force.
Now all my neighbours are angry at me. I don't understand it, I'm just trying to feel safe!
Eh, it seems to me there's lots of way less galaxy brain ways to do that if your Trump. And he's not exactly a mastermind.
Summary:
In a recent 45-minute phone call, U.S. President Donald Trump reiterated his demand for the United States to gain control over Greenland, an autonomous Danish territory. Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen firmly responded that Greenland is not for sale. According to European officials, the conversation was aggressive, with Trump threatening punitive tariffs against Denmark if it refused to relinquish control of Greenland. Frederiksen proposed enhanced cooperation on military bases and mineral exploitation in Greenland, but Trump dismissed these offers, insisting on full U.S. control. This development has heightened concerns in Europe about strained transatlantic relations, especially following Trump’s recent threats of heavy tariffs on the EU and demands for increased defense spending from NATO allies.
Why is Denmark even offering anything at all
Denmark is normally otherwise an ally of the US.
However, this call has spooked the Danes. There will 100% be escalations from the Danes to protect themselves as a result.
Why is Denmark even offering anything at all
As others have pointed out, the US play here is likely to be stopping payments for the current US military based in Greenland but not leaving, testing its limits (operating outside of the designated areas), and generally just begging for a response. At this point the Danish (and the EU generally) will have to choose - if they do nothing then it'll encourage more of this BS in Greenland and elsewhere. If they respond with any force it'll be what Trump wants. He'll use it as pretense for...whatever he wants to do.
This behaviour will make it far less likely that all of the US international partners will renew military base leases or sign new ones, and long term it will diminish American military power globally, but nobody in MAGA let alone Trump are really thinking beyond the immediate anyways.
So the answer your question, the Danes are trying to avoid all of that BS.
Everyone knows Trump is a dick, and the US is mega powerful. The debate in the rest of the world is how to deal with it. Using "honey" and using "vinegar" are both in the running. Honey remains more popular because chummyness is an old reflex with the US, and most well-to-do Westerners still don't get what's happening.
Art of the Deal.
well thats one way to increase nato spending
Please post non paywall links
The US will be spending the next several decades building their reputation back up.
Uh… I think it’s never coming back.
We had our chance to course correct, and didn't. And I suspect dems are either going to learn nothing and flop the next election, literally get suppressed by Trump, or get their own version of a "liberal Trump."
Our social media is only going to get more toxic now, and it’s already dominating public discourse.
I dunno where you live, friend, but do not assume the US is digging its way out of this hole :(
Were you making the assumption that the US had a good reputation before that ?
Half of the world hated it outright and the other half was mostly just playing along because of its economic or military power and propensity to behave like a bully.
The only difference is that Trump is too stupid to do it quietly.
No way that is ever happening. We are a dying empire, rotting from the inside out. Because of a massive amount of inertia, the decline is really only starting to become obvious widely, but we are well into the phase where the ruling class has given up and is just looting the carcass before it hits the ground. They have succeeded in distracting the general public from the dire circumstances for a long time, but things are so far gone at this point, that won’t really be necessary much longer. As we proceed to give up on democracy, the efficacy of political influence withers away. The real danger for the world is that we have a massive military infrastructure ready to lash out in increasingly desperate spasms as the organism desperately tries to prolong agency. It is past time for the world community to organize against the threat the US poses to them. This is just getting started.
The US has military installations in 55 countries, I'm afraid that very soon, they'll turn on the people they promised to "protect." Total global shakedown. Just like the American oligarchy will have no qualms about further dismantling public infrastructure and driving wages and living conditions of their own populace down into bare survival mode if it means they can become trillionaires. Plus, poor and desperate people make good soldiers.
The US is never more than 4 years away from electing a lunatic. Soft power is not really a possibility anymore.
That ship has sailed. Long term partnerships and alliances are impossible if your country leaves them every other election cycle.
Even if sanity is restored next election cycle, I think at this point no one will ever trust us again knowing that in 4 years there’s a huge chance all hell will break loose again.
The US simply will not survive in its current form for another 20 or 30 years. Whether by slow, festering rot or violent implosion.
Bold of you to assume this is a blip.
Yea, one trump salute election is bad, but two shows that it was not a fluke :/
The US will be spending the next several decades building their reputation back up antagonizing the rest of the world hard for even the tiniest short-term gains of its ruling class, kowtowing only to China.
Until the next insurrectionist fascist rapist turns up. They seem to like them over, say, having to make difficult choices over there. Except that the choice wasn't even that difficult to begin with.
I don't speak crazy, can someone explain Trumps issue with Greenland to me, thanks
Territorialism. He thinks he can just demand Denmark to sell Greenland to him, but neither Denmark nor Greenland are having any of it. Big Baby didn't think he'd get pushback and does what he does best: get pissed.
Imo, Greenland has fossil fuel reserves they're not tapping in order to protect the environment. USA wants the natural resources, but Greenland not being brown people or "the wrong kind of white people", Greenland a member of NATO, invading Greenland outright risks ww3 without being able to blame anyone other than the USA. I could be wrong, though, I'm not a geopolitics wonk.
Angry piss baby throws tantrum when told her can't have new toy
FTFY
Embarrassing dangerous clown country.
Shame you can't reach through a phone line and yank his vocal chords out
Worked just alright in Kung Fury.
"Wait a minute. I've seen that gesture before... Somewhere..."
Frederiksen offered closer co-operation with the US on military bases and mineral exploitation on the island, but senior European officials said Trump baulked at the offer, demanding full US control.
You could get everything without being a colonialist bully! FFS.
I was hoping it would say someone finally told Trump, "Bitch, get back in your place because no one is putting up with your shit." Imagine my disappointment at the reasonable attempt to lower tensions and appease.
Serious politicians (and I use that term loosely) are not used to dealing with someone as utterly demented as trump on a daily basis. They're used to long boring meetings and talking politely behind each others backs. Not ... this.
People had a hard time understanding Hitler at first, too, and he wrote a fucking book about what he was about to do before he actually went and did it.
They know he would retaliate.
Hope the US empire goes crumbling down now that the fascist wanna be dictator is in power.
It will crumble, the question is will it crumble fast enough before its oil and gas fetish accelerates climate change too far.
I would have hung up on the dirt bag. FDJT and every single one of his mindless sheep.
Better: just tell him greenland is full of spanish-speaking mexicans, it's the only place he hasn't talked about annexing.
If that doesn't work, Greenland could always take all the undocumented immigrants the US deports and become a booming nordic economy that would be a pain to invade. And imagine the irony.
If the US takes over Greenland, whatever the means, there's no way that small population stays. Deportation or gentrification they will be kicked out and replaced by Americans.
Trump making the world a better place at the cost of America.
The orange turd is a perfect representation of the turds he represents.
This wasn't "perfect" because he won't get impeached or investigated for it?
fuck the citizens of the usa
i think it is safe to say there is absolutely no place left where ppl dont hate on you now.
I like to think people are reasonable enough to separate the politician from the citizens.
I'm in the US, I voted against Trump, I'm likely going to suffer if he is able to accomplish a smidgen of what he has talked about, and I think we got what we deserved and the sentiment from your OP is valid. I know a lot of innocent people are going to suffer, but this is a country of very selfish people. Even some of the most liberal people I have met in this country still have a very selfish mindset and reason for the liberal bent. As soon as they attain a position where they have an advantage they basically pull up the ladder. I'm personally tired of it.
People are going to die, ecosystems are going to burn, countries may very well fall. My only hope is that things only get bad enough that the masses learn an important lesson that at least lasts for their generation and that recovery is possible in that time frame.
It's not that I don't care. It's not even that I don't have the fight left in me. I just don't see any kind of path to a better place without substantial harm occurring first. I will not be happy to be right. I want to be wrong.
Most voters voted for this and those who don't vote don't matter.
i am from germany. should we apply your stupid argument on ww2?
no. fuck the americans. they voted for shitbag twice rather than a women. i dont see mass protests. it is the people. the american people are living the idiocracy by choice.
I agree and hope so too. I think a lot of the frustration and hate comes from Trump actually having been elected. Basically, if you meet someone who voted, there is about a 50:50 chance that they have voted for this. When your vote influences not just your own country but the entire world, that guarantees blame and anger from others.
Now, you can argue whether elections are fair when one party is funded by billionaires and has access to media to spread any misinformation they want. Gerrymandering and a lot of other practices surely play a role in making this not absolutely fair. Let alone that insanity of a two party system. But at the end of the day, this is still an elected president, who even won the public vote, if I remember correctly. It is not the same as obviously rigged elections as in, for example, Russia (where people get even much more hate for their president, as if they had the power to vote or change anything).
That's bullshit. Hate the government, not its people. The number of people who DIDN'T vote for that shitbag is more than every country in Europe except for Germany, Turkey, and Russia.