Cutting-edge Chinese “reasoning” model rivals OpenAI o1—and it’s free to download
DeepSeek R1 is free to run locally and modify, and it matches OpenAI’s o1 in several benchmarks.
Cross-post da: https://lemm.ee/post/53289064
and it's actually open, unlike "open"ai.
There's a lot of explaining to do for Meta, OpenAI, Claude and Google gemini to justify overpaying for their models now that there's l a literal open source model that can do the basics.
I'm testing right now vscode+continue+ollama+gwen2.5-coder. With a simple GPU it's already OK.
You still need an expensive hardware to run it. Unless myceliumwebserver project will start
I'm testing 14B Qwen DeepSeek R1 through ollama and it's impressive. I would think I could switch most of my current usage of chatgpt to this one (not alot I should admit though). Hardware is amd 7950x3d with nvidia 3070 ti. Not the cheapest hardware but not the most expensive either. It's of course not as good as the full model on deepseek.com but I can run it truly locally, right now.
Correct. But what's more expensive a single computing instance that's local or cloud based credit eating SAS AI that does not produce significantly better results?
Yes GPT4All of you want to try for yourself without coding know how.
The cost is a function of running an LLM at scale. You can run small models on consumer hardware, but the real contenders are using massive amounts of memory and compute on GPU arrays (plus electricity and water for cooling).
ChatGPT is reportedly losing money on their $200/mo pro subscription plan.
The same could be said for when Meta "open sourced" their models. Someone has to do the training, or else these models wouldn't exist in the first place.
It is very censored but is very fast and very good for normal use. Can code simple games on request and work as a one shot as well as make and follow design documents to make more sophisticated projects. Smaller models are super fast even on consumer hardware. It post its "thinking" so you can follow its pattern and address issues that would not be apparent in the output. I would recommend.
Plus, it'll probably take less than two weeks until someone uploads a decensored version to Huggingface.
What do you mean by censored? As in what’s it’s trained on?
I like how transparently such issues are handled. e.g.
It's the 671B model that's competitive with o1. So you need 16 80GB cards. The comments seem very happy with the smaller versions, and I'm going to try one now, but it doesn't seem like anything you can run on a home computer with 4 4090s is going to be in the ballpark comparable to ChatGPT.
I only have a rudimentary understanding of LLMs, so can someone with more knowledge answer me some questions on this topic?
I've heard of data poisoning, which to my understanding means that one can manipulate/bias these models through the training data. Is this a potential problem with this model beyond the obvious censorship that seems to happen in the online version, but apparently can be circumvented? I'm asking because that seems to be fairly obvious, but minor biases might be hard to impossible to detect.
Also is the data it was trained on available as well at all? Or is it just the techniques on how it was trained and the resulting weights? Because without the former i'd imagine it would be impossible to verify any subtle manipulation in the training data or even just its selection.
There is no evidence that poisoning has had any effect on LLMs. It’s likely that it never will, because garbage inputs aren’t likely to get reinforced during training. It’s all just wishful thinking from the haters.
Every AI will always have bias, just as every person has bias, because humanity has never agreed on what is “truth”.
There is no evidence that poisoning has had any effect on LLMs
But it is possible, right? As an example from my quick search for example here a paper about Medical large language models
We find that replacement of just 0.001% of training tokens with medical misinformation results in harmful models more likely to propagate medical errors.
It's probably hard to change major things, like e.g. that Trump is the president of the USA, without it being extremely obvious or degrading performance massively. But smaller random facts? Like for example i have little to no online presence under my real name. So i'd imagine it shouldn't be to hard to add some documents to the training data with made up facts about me. It wouldn't be noticeable until someone actively looks for it and then they'd need to know the truth beforehand to judge them or at least require sources.
Every AI will always have bias, just as every person has bias, because humanity has never agreed on what is “truth”.
That's true, but since we are in a way actively condensing knowledge with LLMs i think there is a difference, if someone has the ability to influence things at this step without it being noticeable.
But the new DeepSeek model comes with a catch if run in the cloud-hosted version—being Chinese in origin, R1 will not generate responses about certain topics like Tiananmen Square or Taiwan's autonomy, as it must "embody core socialist values," according to Chinese Internet regulations. This filtering comes from an additional moderation layer that isn't an issue if the model is run locally outside of China.
Just like Gemini won't generate responses about US politics.
What the fuck is it with westerners and trying racist shit like this every time a Chinese made tool or platform comes up?
I stg if it had been developed by Jews in the 1920s the first thing they'd do would be to ask it about cooking with the blood of christian babies
counter point: there are hundreds of articles and probably hundreds of thousands of comments about gemini etc and their US political censorship too
i think in this case it’s a reasonably unbiased comment
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