How much resources are spent fact checking because bots like Mila Joy are lying?

At least - no, in that case it wouldn't have happened. At most half. I'd say it's way below half.

Almost like that people don't care about facts everywhere on the planet.

Makes sense. The Internet was the peak of the information age and usually with any cultural push their is the counter culture equivalent. When any truth could be found in seconds we now find ourselves where any opinion can be fed enough backing to feel like a truth.

So is the incorrect information

My point was not that X would be able to do something about this, but that it is not a source of breaking news, and fundamentally not a replacement for journalism…and should not be used as such.

Wow it's true: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Border_Protection_Stations

I don't think any other US state has checkpoints. This is a surprise to me.

Fascist agitprop

I have noticed this as well. Back during the early facebook years, a "news" outlet would just generate content by posting stories like "Greenville ranked as the city with highest crime rate" every week or so.

Everybody on my facebook feed would go crazy saying things like "I always knew that town was dangerous, but to hear it outranks New York? TERRIFYING!"

Only issue is that this outlet would have 50 different URLs for the article, all giving a city in a different state (always an immigrant heavy suburb) and those articles would be appear around facebook and nobody would know the wiser.

It costs almost nothing for them to rewrite the world and your perspective about it. The granularity they are now capable of should give us pause.

Where I live I mostly see this done to support the narrative that immigrants are bad, that you can't trust traditional media, and that you should be voting for the local fascist party.

Afaik the place names and date are not changed here, I suspect because that would make the perpetrators criminally liable. Instead they work by omission: take a many years old crime, don't mention the date but instead post it on facebook as if it only recently happened, in that post question why the media isn't mentioning this event or how the non-fascist politicians could let things get this much out of control, and then boost the post with help from others in the telegram group so that it reaches a wider audience.

I assume the people in the picture were "melanin enriched"? There you have your answer.

It's a shame that you can't know when seeing such posts if the person resharing it has good intentions or not. "Don't open your door for strangers" is often good advice after all.

The firetrucks were allowed through but Haitian immigrants ate them!

That sounds reasonable and matches what the Big Red Squid told me on TV after last nights meth binge.

I can't speak for all of them, but the I5 border station near the Oregon border hasn't even been manned in several years. This gal is so full of shit.

I go through one all the time there has not been anyone there stopping people for years now

Yeah, you're right, but you also conveniently cut out the second half of my sentence where I specifically mentioned being turned away for emissions. Context matters.

I agree with the rest, but

Teaching critical thinking skills it not a solution. People are not getting fooled, they want to believe it, it fills an emotional need.

Yes. Properly taught critical thinking overrides the emotional thinking. If it didn't, people wouldn't anymore then animals.

Indeed.

If every time the press quoted somebody they gave right alongside it a count of past occasions when they were caught lying, there would a lot less lying because people would be reading their quote, looking at the count of lies next to it and mentally going "bullshit!" for the big liars.

The excess lying going around is because the liars take advantage of people being physically unable of keeping track of the liar-levels and lies they've been caught on of all the "media personalities" (humans are only capable of managing at best around 200 relationships with other entities, so not just family and friends but also personalities one has an opinion about and even brands).

Part of the reason the Press won't do that is because so many of them are also liars (in the sense that they're actual vehicles for Propaganda rather than having Journalistic integrity) but also in many countries legislation such as Anti-slander Legislation means that if they point people's lies out they can get sued, which is costly even if they win, whilst if they say only good things they get no legal costs, so the whole field is tilted towards painting well know personalities wi the the means or influence to sue news media in a positive light - in other words, the system is designed to protect well connect or rich liars and conmen from being exposed in the most widely circulated media.

Yes and no

I fully agree we need to have independent journalists. People won't pay for news anymore so governments should fund independent journalists through some sort of independent foundation. International foundation, preferably.

But beyond that, it matters little if we still have Alex Jones who somehow has actual listeners, or Fox news which is just a 24/7 bullshit pump with a large userbase.

We need to stop people, organizations, and companies from being able to lie to large groups. You lie? The lie gets immediately marked as being a lie. Not "this is not entirely true", no, "this is a lie". Repeat offenders should be fined depending on their worth. You are worth a billion dollars? Get a 100 million dollar fine. Still don't listen? Jail time, doesn't matter who you are.

Its either that or I see this world dead within the decade. With AI pictures and videos getting better every day, with AI becoming better at posting, how long do you think we have until we have a dead Internet with only AI posting lies and all extremist humans ready to commit mass murder because the AI bots have been telling them that the Jewish space lasers will make your frog children gay or something?

The Internet gave a bullhorn to idiots and cheaters and though I was one of the earlier users, loving it's thinking it would rescue the world, now I'm of the opinion that it will doom us all

Of course that is an issue but we've arrived at a point where I think that is less of an issue than the rampant "everybody and everything is a lie, there is no objective truth anymore, but everybody claims to have the absolute, factual, and moral truth anyway"

The current situation is unsustainable. You can't have a normal civil discussion about climate change because the other side screeches that climate change is fake news, then shits on the table.

You can't do anything if you can't at least agree on what is factual truth and oh boy, Republicans and conservatives just put so much lies and bullshit out there that it's just not doable anymore

It has to stop. So normal people like you and me, fine, talk. But websites must contain FACTUAL information, or be very clearly labeled "fiction, not factual". If the site contains information that is known to be false, just have some DMCA like ayatem that will remove it from the Internet.

What source is factual? Anything not supported by a single government, anything that is not funded by any for profit company. Wikipedia is a good example. Sure, it's far from perfect but it's a 100 times more reliable than anything else out there and you gotta start with something.

Make an independent government funded group that can work no matter who's in charge at the government, and they are tasked with checking facts.

If someone with power (politician, famous actor, comoany, whatever) makes some false statement, have it labelled as such and fine them. They don't repeatedly, remove their Internet posting privileges. They circumvent that? Jail them.

Its either that or humanity will be over. This current anarchy is used by various actors for only their personal benefit, and they all have the "I don't care if the world burns if I can rule the ashes. I have matches" attitude. How much more of this bullshit do you think we can have? What do you think will happen once AI picture and videos are perfected? You won't be able to trust anything ever again, the Internet will effectively be dead and only conspiracy wing nuts will use it to read the latest outrageous lie to incentive them to commit some terror attack.

My bad, you're right. I tried to check first, but I didn't have the patience to scroll past her claiming America Is So Back because "Starbucks kicked homeless people out of bathrooms," so I ended up not seeing the reposted tweet.

She lies, runs away from OSFM, gets community noted, and still, in the replies:

Um, this is 100% TRUE and WOKE Oregon seems to be covering for WOKE California. Leftists stick together.

There are many people whose work and ideas I deeply respect, but even in my weakest moments, I couldn't possibly idolize them like this useless waste of oxygen does gargling on Trump's ballsack every day.

Because I'm a horrible person, I can foresee that there's zero chance I'll die before doing something monumentally stupid. My greatest shame is realizing it probably won't be as effective as what Luigi did.

I swear half of the right wing pundits on YouTube are just doing it for the ad revenue. They see that people are mad about right wing crazies so they act like they are right wing so they can clicks

Sometimes you can see their mask slip.

Andrew Tate, that Pearl lady. Both have accidentally smiled in interviews at times that signal they are trolling

The knock-on effects of this also concern me. Largely, the only effective way I've seen to battle disinformation is to retreat to smaller spaces. The intensity and engagement driven content loop on all the major platforms just fuels the fire. Ultimately, to achieve a better admin:user ratio where the admins aren't idiots. While I wax nostalgic about my former BBS days, it feels like a giant step backwards to that. The quality on content is there and signal:noise ratio is sublime, but the amount of information, level of discourse, and widespread geographic socialization, isn't.

They don't call it flaming for nothing!

No it's just a funny situation to imagine.

And so, the bot wars started

Dead Internet Theory and so.

Or someone could train a bot to exaggerate misinformation from known liars

Community note: In fact, Oregon sent over 420 fire trucks but due to the rampage of the woke chupacabra and the cannibals of the northern California mountains, only 69 made it as far south as Sacramento. At that point California officials realized that Oregon actually sent minivans full of weed and spent the weekend hotboxing, using the Jewish space laser that started the fires on the "defrost" setting to heat up the marijuana.

Then it’s going to be AI vs AI

In this case the misinformation AI will be run by Musk’s sugar daddy Putin so it won’t get banned

Generic LLMs are shit, they try to do everything

How can a web of trust prevent Joe-bob from claiming bullshit like in the OP?

I just assume things cannot be controlled, there is no direction, and the majority of the human race will be swimming in lies, disinformation and cat memes fur generations

This eventually gets CIA'd. There is no escape but slaying the dragon.

The midwest.

WV doesn't have any of those.

Arizona mostly. Fires are pretty rare in the valley.

Join us in the mid-Atlantic!

Its not the Republican-ism that comes first. You have to sell people on the "I'm exceptional" mentality first, then insist they're being exploited by their inferiors. Malibu celebrities are a target rich environment for this kind of delusional elitism.

Expect a lot more Californians going on Joe Rogan and making up tall tales about how the fire was caused by poors and illegals stealing all the good firefighting water, while the state refused help for some arcane bureaucratic reasons related to The Fairness Doctrine.