Twitter's filters for anybody out of the loop

every day it gets more incredible to me that people are so fucking addicted to fake validation and fake likes from fake friends that they still use fucking twitter
- I learned a long time ago that for me, social media is an output. I drop it and leave it. I don't fucking care who reads it, or if they liked it.
  I was going to delete this, but I guessi already typed it
- Yeah! I like my fake validation and fake likes from anonymous friends over here on lemmy. Fake friends are overrated.
  
  the secret is i don't think anyone on lemmy is my friend. i find everyone here frustrating and annoying! the system works!
  
  There's a pretty big difference between drinking mild poisons at a Nazi bar and a local bar. Zoomed out, sure, drinking alcohol at all can be considered pretty dubious, but the difference between the two scenarios remains.
  edit: replace what autocorrect put as "consistent" to "considered"
  
  cries in fake friend*
- The dumbass kid at work "I just use it for the art profiles I follow." Not worth it kid, not worth it at all.
  
  Ah yes… “art”.
- Exactly my thoughts

A guy from South Africa made his app anti-black? Shocking.
- The white guy who is only rich because of black oppression in South Africa, in fact.
- Does this comment/joke assume all white South Africans are racist?
  
  No. It simply states that it's not surprising when one is.

IDK How to tell you this, but fascist racists own everything and are planning to kill a whole bunch of people soon. I really think people are under estimating the severity of the vision these people have for the world.
- Can you quantify soon here? I agree with you that they don't have good intentions, but I think that framing it as like, a planned genocide is not accurate. More realistically what can happen is more systemic injustices and consolidations of power to prevent anyone from resisting.
  
  To start with, their plan for mass deportation probably already counts as a displacement genocide. There will be thousands of deaths from it leaving aside everything else wrong with it.
  There are also approximately 3 million trans people in the US. Every single one of them is in danger as the fascists' chosen scapegoat.
- Why do you think that?
  
  Rwandan genocide? The Holocaust? Israeli's war on Palestinian. Armenian genocide? US chattel slavery? Tulsa Race Massacre? China and how they threat neighbors? South African Apartheid?
  
  History, and a soupçon of paranoia
  
  Not much of a news junkie are you?
- kill a whole bunch of people soon
  If you don't couch this a whole lot, it undermines the seriousness of what is actually about to happen.
  Anything less than tens of millions dead falls short of your comment. And that's likely not the reality.
  
  Anything less than tens of millions dead falls short of your comment. And that’s likely not the reality.
  Trans people, the group currently most targeted for elimination by the right, represent about 1% of the US population. Jewish people in pre-Nazi Germany also represented about 1% of the population.
  When Republicans past eliminationist laws meant to persecute trans people, deny them from public life, and kill them by taking away their healthcare, they are committing crimes of the same order as what Germany did in the 1930s.
  That is simple historical by-the-numbers truth.
  
  Maybe I'm unusual here, but if I saw 200 corpses in a big pile, I would think that someone killed a whole bunch of people.
  
  Is the holocaust really your measurement for the meaning of "killing a bunch of people?" I don't think things have to get all that bad to be justified in saying "a bunch of people died."
  When you look into where contemporary right wing ideologies comes from, and what journalists are reporting on in online right wing spaces, a holocaust doesn't seem out of the question. The Turner Diaries is worth looking into. Robert Evans is also a pretty informed journalist on the matter.
  
  What are you guys talking about?
  Stop downvoting and tel what they are talking about lol

People, please stop using twitter. Stop giving your attention and money to terrible people. Some people, like that white lady, are weak-minded and they will never learn.
- This — why are people even still there? Get off it, full stop.
  
  We're all here commenting on it. It's part of the outrage feedback loop.
  
  If your question wasn't rhetorical, addiction is one reason I can think of. Folks are tied up in a certain kind of Feed depending on the places they go online, and twitter/facebook are aggressively designed to make you stay, right? It might be as emotionally daunting as a smoker knowing they should quit. idk - I was lucky to not invest any time with those platforms, but I have kicked one addiction and failed to quit others, so I have some sympathy if that's what's holding people back.
  Another reason is rubbernecking at the car crash. People are still on twitter because it's where all the drama people/news are talking about IS.
  Other than that? Nazis are there to be accellerationists, and internet debate club folks are there to perform civilized discourse ("so someone reading in the future can see that the nazi was wrong").
  If your question was rhetorical, my bad.
  
  I agree completely. Unfortunately, we live in a world where the racist rapist traitor felon just won the popular freaking vote in the country the site is based in.
  So even though I deleted my account a long time ago and so did half the people here, the idea of not using xitter because it’s run by a nazi hasn’t even entered into most people’s minds to be considered in the first place.
  
  Different people have different levels of tolerance to fecal matter. Some absolutely love the shit.

Keep using it! That'll fix it! It's like when a company gives you shitty service you keep giving them your business and eventually they'll give you good service!
That's how it works, right?
- Sometimes you don't even realize you're on it. I watched a clip on a news article. I was mildly surprised that the X branding only showed up after I started watching the clip. That clip was fine, it wasn't even really political. Then it auto played Alex Jones talking about Democrats being traitors and trying to destroy the country.
  So when the fuck did they start removing branding on embedded stuff? And then when the fuck did they start trying to auto play videos? And videos from a completely different account and subject matter?
  If they're that shady just visiting the website I don't even want to think about what their apps are doing.
  
  Not sure how you got away with that… Every single time I have been forced to use Twitter for a video, it has been an awful experience. Their video player is one of the worst modern video players I’ve ever had the displeasure of using. Plus they gate everything behind a login nowadays, so even embedded players in news articles won’t work unless you sign in first. Twitter is rapidly becoming Pinterest for fascists; It grabs content, then walls it behind a login page.
  
  That's not a problem. It's the interaction and posting that gives them power and content. Simply never interact with the site actively.

She’s a straight up Nazi
- https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/smart-living/who-is-lilly-gaddis-aka-trad-wife-tiktoker-axed-from-job-over-n-word/ar-BB1o31rt
  
  Next stop, a seat in Congress
- I have a feeling she takes black cock on the down low and doesn’t tell anyone
  
  That or she goons to it and is ashamed.
  
  Yeah but she's doing them a favor /s
- ... isn't that the wrong arm?
  
  The guy on the right is mirrored, judging by the text on his shirt. I'm guessing she is, too.
- No shit, I got that from the hard R.
  
  She could also just have been extremely racist.
  Let's keep the distinction. So we can turn the racists against the fascists.

Yet you continue to use it…
- As soon as Musk bought it I reactivated my long-dormant account so that I could delete it properly, I can't understand why so many people are using X.
  You're all patrons of the nazi bar, only in this case the nazis bought the bar. Twitter is dead. Migrate to somewhere else like you probably have multiple times before if you've been on the Internet for any amount of time.
  
  I still have an account, but I've only ever posted 6 times and haven't deleted it because I don't wanna jump through the hoops of "sign in to see this content", also because once and a while I'll see a linked tweet about a game or artist or something and give it a heart
- This is what I don't get, people not migrating from a shit platform. Twitter, Reddit, Instagram, etc.
  They all just reach this critical mass where people decide the benefit of everyone else using it outweighs all the negatives of the platform being abusive to its own users
  
  FOMO is incredibly powerful unfortunately.
  
  Part of it is entrenchment. I never did the Twitter thing. Quit Instagram simply cuz I thought the app sucked. Ditched Reddit for Lemmy because Reddit is a cesspool that gives WAY too much power to dipshit moderators.
  But I'm still on Facebook simply because I use it to plan birthdays and other events because its interface for events is pretty useful and more people I know are on Facebook than other apps, so it's just really the best option for events. I don't use it for anything else anymore, but it wins when it comes to events. It also reminds me of people's birthdays.
  Entrenchment is why a lot of big names and reporters stay on Twitter. They've got so many followers it's hard to try to get all of them to migrate.
  I will say this though. If Facebook was operated by someone like Musk in the way he operates it, I'd force myself t pull the plug. Zuckerfuck isn't great, but he hasn't trashed Facebook to quite the degree Musk has trashed Twitter....yet.
  
  Social media addiction is widespread. Once these sites get their hooks in their users, they will keep coming back to the site no matter how it makes them feel. It takes a conscious effort to either wean off or go cold-turkey on a particular site. Many get lazy or too comfortable to make the switch.
  
  I avoid all FB products but it’s a pain in the ass when every business assumes that everyone has FB or Instagram. Local bakery closing due to poor weather? Instagram. Schedule for the small festival I’m attending later in the day? Instagram. Up to date hours for a local small restaurant? FB. Any contests or giveaways from any of the small businesses I patronize? Instagram. And friends with kids complain that their kid’s schools all use FB for critical info.
  And it’s damn near impossible to really engage with the pottery community without Instagram. It’s really the defacto communication medium for publicizing any artists or craftspeople who are below the high end gallery representation level or the decent sized company level.
- I offered to help anyone on Facebook migrate with me to mastodon who wanted to. These are people I've known across three towns and five different jobs. I've gotten and given leads and references for jobs from and to so many of them, and hope to in the future. That's the only reason I even still have Facebook. I'm about to completely call it quits and wipe everything off the account and just leave a pinned post on my profile with a link to a mastodon profile with my real name.
  I put out the first version of that post while I'm getting my data fully packed up. Not a single response. Not even a like. I mentioned it on a post by an LGBT content creator I've kept up with since I worked with her ages ago. She's been building up a portfolio of reviews of everything from beauty products to sex toys and has actually gotten some pretty interesting brand deals lately. She'd never even heard of mastodon.
  These big social media sites are so ingrained in people's lives in so many different ways. Ultimately you're right but every time I see a comment like this it gives...
  
  I put out the first version of that post while I’m getting my data fully packed up. Not a single response. Not even a like.
  I suspect many platforms detect and shadowban content like this, or at least demote it or restrict its visibility. It's what I would do if I ran an unethical social media platform trying to increase the number of active users.
  
  If you got zero engagement when your friends normally at least drop a thumbs up then that post never showed up on anyone's feeds.
  
  Meh, there are a bajillion other ways to participate in society. Not the same thing at all. I've been off Facebook for over fifteen years now and it's been great. I text or call people, and if they care about me they do the same. Sometimes I even get cards in the mail still. It's wonderful.
  
  I hate Facebook but I need it for local shit. I don’t use the timeline and I don’t post, but I need it for marketplace and for a locals forum.

Bro really wants to steal Truth Social's userbase for more money. He found out that the left is a lot harder to scam.
- Aka products of blue State education systems
  
  Aka "brainwashed."

The weirdest thing here to me is that people call twitter an app. Not a site/community/whatever.
- Zoomers and later generations mostly interact with Internet services through apps.
  
  And boomers and relatively old generations.
  I have older folks don’t really get what a website is, and family kids that don’t either.
  Theres a narrow demographic that (as a whole) experienced the “old” internet outside of siloes and apps.
- It is an app. It is also those things.
- Eh... Never thought about it, people use xitter more on phones now

Why do people even get offended by cracker lmaooo. That's such a whack front.
- Being able to disregard being called "cracker" is itself a form of white privilege. As a white guy, I don't have to care if some black person expresses hatred against me because I have power that they do not (e.g. they're not likely to act on their hatred because if the police are called they're likely to take my side, etc.). The implied threat is not credible.
  In contrast, black people do not have the freedom to ignore white people calling them the n-word, because historically that has been accompanied by a real risk of attack. The likelihood may have waned over the years, but that implied threat remains credible. (That goes double for the fact that, as casual/mainstream use of the word has fallen out of favor, those still willing to use it are all the more extreme/violent-tempered.)
  
  As another lifelong beneficiary of white privilege, thank you for pointing this out. I never considered this perspective.
  
  This is exactly how systemic racism works. White people weren't kept as slaves and called 'cracker' as a label. Black people were kept as slaves and called the N word as a label. The implication, via the word, is that they were less-than-human. We're just about back to the time period where lawmakers openly use the N word again. I'm in Canada, yet even from here I can see it happening, and it's terrifying for me, so I can't imagine what it's like for American people of colour, or women, or 2SLGBTQIA+, etc.
  If you are one of those people, whomever is reading this, just know you have allies.
  
  Being able to disregard being called “cracker” is itself a form of white privilege
  No it means I'm not offended by every stupid shit some cringelord says online.
- Same with Alpha Snowflakes who get triggered by words like cis.
  
  Which makes zero sense. Because cis is exactly what he claims to be. It's not pejorative to say someone is a heterosexual?
- I have used it sarcastically on news@world and got it mod deleted.
  I guess it’s white fragility masked as fairness/equity.
- It means you're originally from Florida, so..
- They should already be offended by someone using 'fuck'

Nazis are sub human and shouldnt have rights
- The only good nazi is a dead nazi
  Or maybe a grammar nazi... But I'm not sure they count
  
  Nah, they are necessary evil. (grammar ones)

The first word they did this with was cis. This will keep happening and the attacks will get worse until people act. Leave Twitter

I don’t think I’ve seen the old hard-R written out in quite some time. Let nobody say Musk and his indentured servant team have never accomplished anything. They just accomplish the bad things.
- Lol that's sort of true. I'm having a bit of a viseral reaction. I couldn't quite put my finger on why, but I think you're right. I just hadn't seen it in so long.
  That's pretty fucked if you think about it.
  
  Yeah, that’s kinda what led to my comment. I was looking at it thinking how overtly fucked it all was.

Why do they call everything an "app"?
The app is just the interface, the interface did nothing wrong, the entire platform is cooked.
- Tech illiteracy
  
  Also, Windows coined programs as apps, so pretty much any application may now be called app.
- That's a bit pedantic. App is used interchangeably to represent the whole platform.
  I work as a SWE in a team with 15 year veterans at an App company that is a top 10 most downloaded on Android/iOS. We still use the word app this way in tech meetings.

Don’t use state media.
- Exactly the opposite lesson to take. We need public social media, not corporate social media. We need rights and guarantees, not profit taking and psyops.
  
  I like having a bunch of nonprofits because if one turns bad, I can switch. Your idea will work better if the state becomes controlled by the public.
  
  I think in 2025 the "rights and guarantees" you want aren't going to be provided by state or corporate social. Defederated / self hosted is the way.
  
  Because the government of the US is very well known for letting dissenting voices have a soap box...
  
  Don't use state media controlled by a single megalomaniac man-child.
  
  It should be owned by the users and moderators, not the billionaires.

Anti-black? Is that a substitute for “racist” to avoid censorship?
- To be fair, it’s far more precise, being a subset of racism, especially given the context of some racist slurs being filtered while others aren’t, depending on the targeted race.
  In today’s fucked up world, it wouldn’t surprise me if anti-white and anti-black slurs were filtered but anti-hispanic and anti-asian slurs weren’t, for instance, maybe to drive nationalism regardless of race. I appreciate the additional clarity.
- No. There was racism flung both ways. Only when the black person was racist was it censored.
  Anti-black
- I think there’s more straight up anti-black people than full on racist. The world hates us 😂
  
  It's possible that they are more vocally anti-black, but it has been my experience that hateful people are just full of hate. They go after the most convenient target, and have no problems with changing to another target if it is just as convenient.
  
  Holy shit I love telling people my grandma was black when they say racist shit. I do not appear "black" in any way but it usually shuts people down.

wow, so surprised. And after it being a complete tool for getting Trump elected too. Flabbergasted, I say.
- I had to check if this wasn't leaopardsatemyface.

Wish people would just stop using Twitter.
- Shit like this makes me wonder what it would actually take to convince people to stop

Yeah it's a platform for racists and friends of racists (also racists).
- But don't be racist towards them tho!

It's no secret that Apartheid Leon is trying to make everything back to the way it was in South Africa when he was a kid.
I'm sure he already has a very nostalgic flag picked out when the name changes to The United States of X.

He's in the upper echelons of government now. No need to pretend anymore
- Meta is even worse.
  Even people who were/are on the right are noticing it.
  Tom Segura isn't a great guy, but I saw a clip of one of his podcasts where they were talking about Instagram. Any post anyway related to a Black person is just gonna be filled with comments saying the n word.
  As fucked up as it is, TikTok appears to be the only big one that's removed hate speech for a while now. It's just become incredibly normalized which is why the wealthy keep gobbling up social media.
  They want a race war, a culture war, anything to stop 99% of the population from figuring out the 1% have been fighting a class war for decades.
  It's all a distraction to stop people from talking about why billionaires are fucking over everyone else and we're not stopping it.
  
  Can you elaborate on 'Tom Segura isn't a great guy'? I think he's funny and I'm wondering if there's something I'm missing.

I treat people who have twitter accounts the same as I would someone who chain smokes in public areas: you're part of the mesh that prevents the substrate for nice things to exist.
Hopefully it's as much of collective social stigma as smoking is soon.
- Unclear analogy - is the substrate going through the mesh the process of nice things existing? Maybe I'm thinking of substrate in a chemical sense rather than biological, or I'm just cooked. Is the mesh some sort of filter that allows bacteria to grow on the substrate (host)?
  
  I take it as they’re saying, “you’re part of a framework that prevents the foundation of good things from being.”

jesus christ.

When you use a slur, but also proper Grammar, it becomes harder to report.

It's simply amazing though how many people don't want to admit it. I mean they're not hiding it at all but there's so many places even here on Lemmy that love to stick their head in the sand and don't want to acknowledge how bad it's gotten.

How does this work? It's filtered but still visible?
- I think its hidden with a message that it contains something sensitive and you actively have to click on show to show it. Not sure though as I’m not on Xitter anymore.
  
  Ah that would make sense

Reminds me of the excellent book and documentary "coded bias"

It's actually got nothing to do with race, it's because of a lack of proper capitalisation and punctuation.. right? It surely isn't racism?

I really thought all this free speech nonsense was because they wanted to be free to be rude.
Really didn’t think it was that hypocritical that only some people can be rude…
Saying all speech is okay is something I can kind of respect, this isn’t it.
- When someone says all speech should be free, there's usually a hidden subtext of "speech that I like"

It might be because “Lilly” it’s Twitter verified, not because of the context.
And look at how much more engagement it got. Not that it should show that either, it’s such a perverse incentive.
I don’t know which is worse TBH, and I wish Twitter was erased from all their devices.

No surprise nowadays.

At this rate, this community's gonna be named People.

And Reddit is openly anti-Indian. What else is new?
- wat?
  
  You didn't know that Pakistan bought Reddit?

what’s fun is hexber will ban you for saying the n word, but cracker is totally fine

she cute
- And that's all she has going for her
- Lowk

Kek ok that is funny

Fuck me. I got off Twitter to not SEE this shits. Can You fuck off with it
- You can block this community

I mean many use the n word between each other so that might be why an auto flag isn't implemented ?
- Not with a hard R they don't.
  
  If you ban one you also ban the other. The -a is a respelling of -er, basically the same word.