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This world is cruel…

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What do you mean Linux is not in the list?
- It's there right at number one, reading. Nobody reads more wikis or man pages than a Linux enjoyer.
  
  man touch
- "I'm really looking for a guy who can self host a matrix instance"
  
  Then when you meet her you can't the service up. "I swear I've never had this happen before"
  
  Imagine when they find out you run your own media server. Bad boys out there downloading videos without licenses about to pop off on dating sites because no one can afford the "Netflix" part of netflix and chill
  
  sploosh
- That usually counts towards having enough money for half of the hobbies listed.

Woodworking 94%. Right.
Try ordering a new lathe after you’re married.
- That’s because the deal has already been sealed. They typically wanna keep you off the market, not increase your “resale” value. Unless you’re into that kinda thing. Like, cucking or sharing kinda kinks, not human trafficking. Human trafficking isn’t sexy. Unless you’re into that kind of thing. Like, as a fantasy, not as a real thing. Real human trafficking isn’t sexy. Unless you’re into that kinda thing. Like, as in humans stuck in traffic or transforming into cars and being stuck in traffic, not as being sold as a commodity. Unless you’re into that kind of thing.
  
  Reading this as I'm waking up and really questioning if I'm actually awake or not
  
  Wow really put something in for everyone with that comment.
  
  ^what
- I have a friend who’s very attracted to her husband’s woodworking. Mind you he’s a world class artisan for equipment for a shared hobby of theirs, but still, she’s very supportive of his lathe purchases.
- Hey if I were married to you I would support your hobbies and interests. I'd want you to be happy.
  Lathes are expensive though, so if there expense were to come from our shared account we would need to have a discussion first.

"traveling" yikes.
That is one way to say, you think wealth is attractive.
I have traveled quite a bit and I like it a lot, but it is no hobby. For it to be a hobby, I would have to have a lot more money.
Once or even twice a year, is hardly a hobby.
- "I'M NOT DRIVING OFFICER, IM TRAVELLING!"
  Gets 'em so wet
  
  sound of breaking window
  
  That explains why there are so many of them. It is for the WAP.
- It could also just be women thinking, "I'd like to visit _____ when I'm able, I want my partner to go with me." Working in a passport office, I've met a shocking number of men who have never left the US (or sometimes even the state) by choice. Then their wife or girlfriend wants to go to Mexico or something, and they come in talking about how they're only doing it for her and they'd never travel if it was up to them.
  Anyway, I'd consider traveling one of my hobbies even though I can't afford to do it often - plenty of time is spent planning and looking at things to do, so it goes beyond just the few days of the trip.
  
  I think so too.
  I've met people who are extremely happy living in their small town life doing small town things, then get angry or confused why anybody would want to go someplace "exotic".
  
  I'm one of those people. I've never flown, rarely leave my state. My wife wants to travel, but we haven't yet. I, personally, have no interest in it. Just like sports and most popular movie franchises. I just have no feelings about it at all. It seems like a huge hassle.
- You can travel without spending a lot of money, people call it backpacking.
  
  Time off is expensive
  
  For the vast majority of you, long travel is required to get to somewhere you can backpack. And the the gear and foodstuffs is expensive also. And judging by the damages to the environment that some inconsiderate people leave these days, I'm not sure that you should be allowed to. (I'm getting sick and tired of picking up garbage and hauling it out of the forest I live in).
  
  Or be in a religious cult like Mormons. Of course they will send you to a foreign country and confiscate your passport until your 1.5-2 years are over.
- I remember listening to some pop song and realizing that it was basically "You love me 'cause I'm rich". Do you like trashing hotel rooms, going places you have never been? I don't remember what song it was or the exact lyrics, but I just hated the guy then and there.
- That is one way to say, you think wealth is attractive.
  Is it not?
  
  Depends.
  If they flaunt it with their fancy cars and designer clothes, I think they're gross.
  If they look like a hobo but are highly educated about finances... Aaaaay bay bee how you doin? Wink at me, you economist with a 401K who ties her hair up because she hasn't showered in days because she was doing data science. Spit in my mouth, you engineer with a diverse stock portfolio who wears the same hoodie you wore in college because clothes shopping is hard and you want to focus on optimizing your CI pipelines. Choke me, you tenured professor with a mature retirement fund who dedicated their life building physics engines to teach grad students.
  
  There was this study where they asked a theater full of women to rate the attractiveness of men, based on a photo and a profession. Then they changed all the professions (but kept the same photos) and did it again.
  The same picture with a higher-paying job was rated significantly higher.
- I love being in other countries and meeting new people and learning about their culture. But I fucking haaaaate traveling.
- A lot of these hobbies are wealth-adjacent.
  Playing an instrument: a good instrument isn't cheap, and music lessons can be pretty expensive.
  Woodworking requires a lot of fairly expensive tools, and a space to do it. You can't really have woodworking as a hobby if you live in a small studio apartment. You basically need a house, either one with a basement, a shed or a garage.
  Gardening: requires a garden, something you're unlikely to have unless you have your own house.
  Photography: I don't know anybody who is into photography who hasn't sunk a lot of money into the hobby. There's the cameras, the lenses, and even the software these days.
  Astronomy: see above.
  Hiking: not expensive on its own, but in North America it means being able to drive to a wilderness spot outside the city, so you pretty much require your own car.
  Archery and blacksmithing: again, requires a specialized space
  Now, I know that there are cheap options for a lot of these. A musician could be someone drumming on an upside-down pail. Someone who only has access to a hotplate could still experiment with food. Woodworking could be just whittling sticks found in the park. Gardening could just be tending to a small houseplant. But, are these the version of the hobbies the women are picturing when they're imagining a potential mate doing the activity? Probably not.
  Meanwhile, a lot of the stuff at the bottom of the list are very cheap hobbies. Like being influenced by the "Manosphere" just requires access to social media, same with porn and "arguing online".
  Honestly, it looks to me like if you sorted the list by "dollars per hour someone invested in that hobby is likely to spend" you'd get many of the same things at the top and many of the same ones at the bottom. Some of the few exceptions are writing and reading, which can be pretty cheap hobbies, but are still apparently very attractive.
  
  For astronomy (really astrophotography, which is considered even more expensive) I guess it depends on what you consider expensive. For $500 and with 3 free software products I'm able to produce stuff like this:
  
  A rather large telescope (8" dobsonian reflector) I have as well was "only" $500. So it can be a hobby that you don't need to spend all that much on, but again that depends on what we consider expensive. $500 is definitely not cheap but I'm just a schmuck in a factory and I could save for that.
- I have shit ton of these, man I am the sexiest man alive /s.
  These all great traits, I remember to include them if I ever have to go back out into the dating world. Please I hope that never happens.

"Top 15 hobbies that sound attractive to women"
- It's a bit of both. I can see these hobbies leading to a healthy relationship, but anyone who thinks the answer isn't "hit the gym" is coping.
  (Btw I'm no gym rat, but this is a fact)
  
  Hitting the gym can't hurt but it's very low on my list of priorities.
  Being chill, open with one's emotions, able to communicate reasonably, willing to help around etc are way higher.
  Usually being a woman helps too but life's life.
  
  As someone who does hit the gym, in my experience the majority of people you're impressing with your physique are men. Sure I'd say most women like it if you have it (assuming you aren't too big), but generalising that it's the main attraction would be a mistake.
  
  anyone who thinks the answer isn’t “hit the gym” is coping.
  I'd put "hit the dermatologist" above it. Plenty of girls go for the skinny or husky builds. But blemishes are a universal turn off
  
  Too much generalisation for my taste.
  
  There is even song about it!
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- Exactly. And then they complain when you obsess about this book series and don't react to conversation attempts.
- What’s the difference?
  
  Hiking - sounds attractive, but the woman may not actually enjoy hiking especially doing multiple day trails
  Woodworking - "wow you made this desk yourself?!" Reality: Spent weeks designing and getting the right materials, spent more weeks in the shop getting everything right, spent months all together away and in a shop so you could present..... a desk (the novelty runs out real quick with a partner)
  Same with a lot of them, if you're really into a hobby and it is presentable.... You've spent a fuckton of time on it. Something you could do while you were single, 10x harder to pick up or continue doing in a relationship since your time is now divided. It becomes one of those, "Yeah they love doing photography and they're really good at it!" (cue partner standing there who hasn't taken a picture in over a year looking sheepish).
  
  "Playing and instrument", for example, is likely not a tender accoustic guitar in the moonlight. It's repetitive, monotonic, loud noise, that rarely resembles music most of the time, no matter the instrument.
  Same with woodworking, it's not sculpting a figurine with a knife and a pipe in your mouth. It's FUCKING LOUD machines, wood dust everywhere (if you're a hobbyist), every nook of your place becomes wood storage.
  Most of the "attractive" hobbies might sound attractive, when you don't really think about them and go with your first thought (that's mostly based on depictions in films/tv shows, etc.)

Blacksmithing is 88% Was this list made by a metal shop kid?
"Oh babe, I love your soda lime mix. You're not like those other brittle iron bitches out there"
- Being handy is attractive. Getting a nice unique present is cool. And blacksmiths / woodworkers are the ones that do that kind of stuff.
  
  I'm also willing to bet that the blacksmith they are picturing looks very different from your average blacksmith.
  
  So explain why IS 3D printing not higher on the list then?
- I can not fathom how blacksmithing is LOWER on the list than reading. "The dude with the hammer looks nice, but that other one over there is sitting on a sofa for HOURS on end"
  
  Maybe because reading is a sign of being intelligent/cultured in people's mind, and people on average value that slightly more than physical fitness
  
  Reading demonstrates culturing, education, pursuit of knowledge, and willingness for good conversation. It’s also a hobby that can be practiced together (my wife and I have even devised a technique for how to best read books together)
  Blacksmithing is one of the few hobbies that a guy probably can’t teach his girlfriend because women usually use a different technique to make up for strength differences. It’s hot for sure, but it’s hot in a “I’m going to watch you but it’s expensive in time and money, and I may wind up stuck selling at ren faires forever” way as opposed to a “even when we’re old we’ll still be discussing literature” way
- "Brittle iron bitches" has been added to my dictionary of insults.
  Sincerely
  The Big Ductile Energy gang

I had 10/15 of these when I was single, and I was single for a very long time. That is how I had the time to learn all these hobbies/skills.
- Right? Just the other day I was thinking about how many hobbies I dropped once I started seriously dating, and then later how many more when I had kids.
  My guitar hasn't been touched in years. My books have gone unread. My 3D printer is getting a workout making organizational tools and little toys for the kids though lol
  
  If you see my kayak and fishing poles tell them I miss them and I hope I get to spend more time with them when my son is a few years older.
  
  Guitar and books are great hobbies to return to when you're older. It can be harder with sports.
  
  Right.
  Along the years I have managed to scrounge together almost all the gear I always dreamed of when I was young. Nothing really expensive or fancy, but good quality second hand stuff that would get things done right.
  But there just isn't any time to use them. And if by some miracle a bit of time appears, it's guaranteed that I'm dead tired and choose sleep.
  Maybe one day.
- From talking to my female friends the bar for men is incredibly low. Basically have good hygiene and be able to take care of yourself and you're already in the top 60-70%

Judging by what I see on dating sites, fishing is near the bottom of the list. So many women's profiles say something like "I don't want to see a picture of you holding a fish"
- I wonder if it is fishing itself that they don't like, or if it is the prevalence of fishing photos on dating sites. I know that a lot of guys post fishing photos on their profiles (probably because most men don't take many photos of themselves but will take photos with a nice catch), so maybe it just seems unoriginal or low effort. I'm honestly not sure, but my only point is that it may not be the hobby itself.
  
  Agreed, I really don't think it's the fishing itself.
  Half the problem on any dating site is the classic: 1. Be attractive 2. Don't be unattractive.
  If the dude is holding a fish but looks like Chris Evans, she will probably still be interested.
  On top of that, dudes holding the fish will overwhelmingly tend to look like the wrap around sunglasses wearing, goatee having, overweight, Trump voting cliche. Women probably build an association to not being compatible with dudes who love fishing after enough times of seeing that and connecting these dots.
  
  I assumed it was a combination of "it's really common" and "fish are gross" but I don't look at men's profiles and don't fish so I may be way off
  
  I've heard it compared to the scene in Toy Story where they're trying to find the right Buzz Lightyear amongst all the identical clones.
- It’s that men don’t take a lot of pictures of themselves. Then they refuse to take any specifically for their dating profiles. Taking pictures specifically for a dating profile would show that they actually care about finding a person they would do other things specifically for.
  
  Taking pictures specifically for a dating profile would show that they actually care about finding a person they would do other things specifically for.
  This is a dead giveaway that you've never asked men why they don't take and share pictures of themselves. Most men in the anglosphere consider it vain and self-destructive to obsess over their looks. You can also see it in the way they buy clothes ("I'll take 5 pairs of the same pants, thanks"), the way they cut their hair ("just take an inch off and even it out"), and the way they present themselves, often with as few accessories and adornments as possible. Those they do have are utilitarian or deeply personal.
  
  It’s that men don’t take a lot of pictures of themselves.
  I can't speak for all men but I have a complete inability to look even remotely normal if I know a picture is being taken of me. I try to take profile pics and they all wind up awful and that's not just my view. I showed my friend just to make sure it wasn't just poor self image talking and they reacted like I was showing off a broken bone. I think the only way I'm going to get workable dating profile pics is if I have a friend take pictures of me without me noticing like I'm some sort of cryptid and they'retrying to capture proof.
  
  Unfortunately, the fact that they don’t take many pictures of themselves can be really obvious. I try not to turn a guy down because of a bad profile picture, because I know there’s a technique to it and that requires practice.
  At the same time, we’re in a digital era - you can take 100 pictures and only upload your favorite one. There’s no reason for an average guy’s profile picture to resemble a mugshot.
  
  I just don't want pictures of myself on the internet. I value my privacy. Huge part of the reason I never had a dating profile.
- It's like 95% of male profiles. Bad selfies and the only picture of them taken by someone else is them holding a fish.
- Well, makes kinda sense, "killing animals" is near the bottom of the list of any women I know ;)

I read, write, and cook, and can play several instruments (kazoo, mouth harp, washboard, tamborine,...). Where's the women that find me attractive?
- the trick is that you have to find them instead of just waiting for one to pop out of the ether
  
  Well that's some bullshit. 😠
- We keep telling you that you gotta stop winking when you tell people you play the mouth harp.
- I read, write, cook, paint, swim, travel, and hike, and last gardening. I should be rolling in it. But my wife finds me sexy so I got that going for me.
- Just outside of you FOV. If you spin fast enough, you're bound to see them.
- Nothing more sexy than a mouth harp (I always knew it as a jaw harp and have three) uwu
- (kazoo, mouth harp, washboard, tamborine,…)
  My reaction
- On Barq?

"Women love when i show them my extruder nozzle"
- DAMN HE GOT THE VOLCANO HEATER BLOCK!! ITS SOO LONG
  
  "Did your last boyfriend have a print volume this big? Yeah, didn't think so."
  
  and the duel extruders have so much force!
- 0.2mm!

Getting high and playing video games?
- Pretty sure those made the other list for least attractive
  Edit: the other chart
  
  ...11% of women find men who watch pornography attractive?
  12% of women find men who argue online attractive?
  23% of women are into cryptobros??
  
  How can reading be no 1 most attractive and comic books are on the unattractive side of the list?
  
  WTH is manosphere? Afraid to google 😅
  
  If I wasn't already partnered this list would bother me
  
  I‘m multiple times on both ends.
  The only balance I have in my life.
  
  Ok says here MTG 28.5% but what about YuGiOh?
  
  They just hate when men have fun >:(
  
  Ok, but most of those shouldn't even be considered hobbies. Like poker can be a hobby but if your hobby is just "gambling" then you probably have an issue. I guess your hobby could be porn if you're in the kink scene and into making porn or something, but while watching porn is ok, if you consider watching porn a hobby then you may have an issue.
  
  Arguing Online: Women are just not ready for Skankhunt42
  Cosplay: Yeah I bet it's equally least attractive the other way around lmao
  
  lol at crypto
  
  Textbook Lizardman Constant right there at the bottom.
  
  I'd make both a pretty great, and kinda shitty male..
  
  Wtf, I know how obnoxious stoners can be, but have these ladies even met a cigar snob ? They're worse, and it smells worse too !
  
  I like that Debating is rated at 30.?% but there's a separate category for "Arguing Online".
  I guess that being a Master Debater who comments on people's posts "Debate Me Bro!" doesn't count for the slightly more preferred category?
  
  Wait, ppl seriously consider drinking a hobby?
- To be fair, I enjoy both these things but I don't know that I would classify them as hobbies, more as something I do to wind down. I can see video games going into hobby or even profession territory but THC is just a medicine for me. A hobby is something that needs to challenge me, in which I learn things and get better at it.
  
  I make mods for video games. It actually pays out too, I make a few hundred a year. It's basically computer parts money lol.
  Does that count as a hobby? I'm afraid to ask, women are pretty judgy about this stuff.

Tl;dr: any interest is interesting and attractive. In particular if it can be done without annoying your partner and shows your ability to think independently. If it produces something useful that's cool, too.
- Interested people are interesting.

can some one explain this meme to me?
I can't find Saddam Huisen
- Okay, this meme actually doesn't contain Saddam Hussein. I know it's a shock, you'd better sit down. Actually lie down. Lower. Lower. Keep going. There he is.
- Huisen
  Hey leave Sand-dam Hurzen out of this!

Got reading and foreign languages, woohoo!
most attractive for women
groans So much for my gay ass...
- Hey nobody said they're not attractive to men
  
  Seconded.

When does cooking stop counting as a basic day to day survival thing and start counting as a hobby?
- when you worry about “plating”
  
  I placed the thing in a plate. It's plated now.
  But yeah, I get your point.
- When you worry about the brand of the olive oil you use and the cost, (over $100 per knife), of your kitchen knives. And your stove is a $4000 induction model with 2 ovens.
  Source: My one Son-in-law. But the son-of-a-bitch CAN really cook!
  
  Jokes on you, my knife cost me $40 in steel, wood, brass, and sanding belts because I make my OWN knives for my cooking.
  You know, I think I might just have two hobbies and one saved me money on the other....
  
  I have two Kitchenaid mixers, and all my specialty tools. Cooking and baking can definitely be a hobby. We have the meals to survive. Then we have the shit I make that tskes a list of ingredients a mile long and all day to accomplish. But goddamm they are some great food.
- When you start to have to worry about them finding out you've out-pizzad the hut.
  
  Yeah I burn the kids out of pizza and calzone for awhile when I got into pizza making. I had to try many different ways to make it so we ate it everyday for a week.
- There are a surprising amount of old kids that can't even boil water for pasta. No one looking to date wants to date an old kid they need to take care of. (Some people do, but burnout is real)
  
  In my experience most adults can boil pasta.
  ... And boil it.... And boil it..... And DEAR GOD TAKE IT OFF THE STOVE AND DRAIN IT BEFORE IT BECOMES MUSH!
- Cooking qs a Hobby is not throwing together a Quick meal, but actually making an effort to cook. I.e. trying new things, cooking homemade pizza or even a roast.
  
  "throwing together a quick meal" should have it's own word.
  "cooking" to me implies you're working on something worth the time it takes, something you want to put effort into.
  But when I just got home, nothing is easy to make and I have to throw something quick together, it doesn't feel like really cooking to me. Like im half assing it, it should have a half-assed name.
  
  Exactly, I am always looking for new and exciting things to try. Also subscribe to shit ton of cooking channels on YouTube, and blogs. Also subscribe to a magazine subscription which I was exited that I could still do that. Also have a ton of cook books and always looking for more.
- When you are making everything from scratch, cooking becomes a hobby. You can make tacos and buy a salsa from the store and make some good tacos, but when you are making the salsa and thinking that you should add just a bit more of something, you are in hobby territory.
  Smoking meats is a hobby. To get dinner ready, you start at 3am and tend the firebox all day. You try different rubs, woods, and techniques to make the product of your craft the best it can be.
  Making pizza from scratch is a hobby. You make may make dozens of pizzas to just get the sauce, dough, or crust right.
  Following a recipe to make something is not a hobby unless it is just a starting point in something you wish to refine and make your own.
  
  I agree with all but the last part.
  Following a recipe can absolutely be a hobby. You can take a lot of enjoyment out of it, and it's even useful.
  I wouldn't say it's an art, but it's definitely a hobby.
  
  Smoking meats is a hobby. To get dinner ready, you start at 3am and tend the firebox all day. You try different rubs, woods, and techniques to make the product of your craft the best it can be.
  3am?!? What tiny little brisket are you doing at 225 to start that late? You've got to leave time for it to rest.
  Ok, in all seriousness this is one of my main hobbies. By that I mean I do it often and I've stuck with it for years while other hobbies have come and gone. I've got a couple of offset smokers, a drum smoker that I built, and a pellet smoker when I don't have the time to tend the firebox but still want to smoke something.
  I said all that to say this: there are plenty of people who couldn't give two shits about smoking meats who absolutely come ask me questions about it. Not because I'm the best, and not because they want it to be their hobby. But because I'm excited to talk about it. I also tend to bring full plates with me for my friends (and usually a couple of extras) so they get the benefit of having food.
  I've also had women ask if they can come hang out next time I crank up the smoker. It's an easy way in for someone who wouldn't normally be confident enough to approach you.
  
  You're always following some form of a recipe unless you're blindly experimenting
- When you stop using boxed pasta.
  
  Dried pasta is far superior to fresh pasta for most dishes.
  
  I bought pasta maker but haven't used it yet. But I am ready to make my own Ramen.
- Can say personally when I made a Pinterest account to save recipes lol
- I stopped making peanut butter and jelly sandwiches because I lost the recipe.

I’m not into guys but as a woman I’m surprised blacksmithing isn’t higher. How am I supposed to be your knight in shining armor if you can’t make me some shining armor?
- It's going to be boob armor and just leather straps to attach it over a bikini.
  
  Jokes on you I’m down to model that sort of thing for women
- I've forged everything from aluminum to Waspaloy, from handheld to car-sized.
  Unfortunately, I used an industrial press and lots of math. Not sexy. What respondents really mean is hipsters with an anvil. Then you're wearing an apron with no shirt, sweating, and smashing something hard and repeatedly.
- If you were into guys and said that on our first date, I’d be there on our second!
  I’m getting a bit tired of home automation as a hobby anyway - i don’t meet many new people inside my home. 3D printing was next on my list but then I’d have to collect WarHammer miniatures
- It's probably too rare. Like, woodworking is somewhat rare, but to do that you just need a basement or a shed or a garage or something. Blacksmithing actually requires a forge, so I'm assuming that far fewer people actually do it.
  With it being so rare, I bet that the women who don't have any experience with a man who's into blacksmithing don't think to mention it, or haven't really thought of it. And the ones who do have experience have had a mixed experience. Blacksmithing is loud and dirty so I bet the charm wears off quickly.

More like "things women want attractive people to be into"
- First thing I thought of was the "Elementary School Musical" episode of South Park.

Unironically, most of the women I've spoken too have found it attractive when I bring up 3dPrinting. It's an active and interesting hobby, and tangible & crafty enough not to be too "nerdy" or whatever. Perfect middle ground, women love it.
They probably just didn't think of it or it wasn't on the poll.
- plasticsmithing!

Uh, there is a typo, the second probably should say "functional languages". We all know how people are attracted to map, filter, and reduce.

It's weird that mechanical keyboard isn't on the list
- How are keyboards a hobby?
  What's your hobby?
  Smartphones.
  NO
  
  If you haven't fallen down the keyboard rabbit hole then you don't know just how far it goes...
  It very much can be a hobby costing thousands of dollars and resulting in several keyboard projects.
  
  For your own sanity and wallet, it is best that you do not investigate further.
  
  Hey guuurl my hobby is consumerism
  Typed from my IBM 5251 beamspring
- Nor gaming, nor drugs, nor watching TV/YouTube/Twitch, nor homelabbing... this is a wake-up call
- And yet, whenever I get a new keyboard or caps there is a nontrivial chance my wife will steal them.
  
  Wow, that's awesome

I wonder where "gay sex" ranks
- "Nah, Babe, it's just a hobby of mine. It's nothing to worry about."
- My favorite comment of 2024.

So, lots of Linux fans should be fairly attractive. Like we read (the docs), know a few languages (at least bash), occasionally write scripts, travel (between distros), and archers became a huge meme 🙃
- But you annoy users with unreliability and difficulty to repair and time to implement. UX is important. You can't have home improvement work sites lingering.
  
  Seriously, has no one considered/been on the wrong side of the PAF (partner approval factor) curve?
  
  Haven't tested macos myself (and ain't going to due to progressing hardware enshitification), but windows isn't any better, in my experience.
  The only kinda benefit is that you often don't need to install it and are likely accustomed to using it. But then come problems. First, you need to remove a metric ton of crap by both vendor and Microsoft, so much so it's often easier to install a clean msdn image (which negates the benefit of windows being preinstalled). And if you happen to remove more unnecessary crap than expected by Microsoft, you also get weird and hard yo track issues.
  Then reliability... The last time I needed it, w10 bsoded (oh, yeah, the famous undifficult to repair "smth died, and we want tell you what exactly"; so much better than logs in Linux, am I right?) 5 mins after install from an original msdn image, and after reinstalling touchpad and trackpoint didn't work properly, for example. So, that's actually worse than any Linux distro I've tried so far. But idk, mb I'm just unlucky. Also, crowdstrike 🙃
  Then the usual way to install software on windows... Which sucks hard: heck, even Slackware is better in that regard, and it kinda says a lot.
  Soo, basically leaves us with "windows good 'cuz I know windows".

Is there a source for this graph? Would like to read the rest of it

Here is the source so you can feel bad about yourself
https://datepsychology.com/the-most-and-least-attractive-male-hobbies/
- TIL “ArguingOnline” is a hobby.
  
  Getting mad while listening to right wing psychopaths on the TV and Radio is a major hobby.
- Oh boy, cosplayers and DnD players got the shaft with that one.
  
  Which is definitely strange. Or maybe I know a lot of strange women. Which is not unlikely now that I think about it. We should all be a little strange tbh
  
  You read it wrong, they are the most attractive of the least attractive
  Unless you’re referring to misreading, the same that I attributed to you. Then yeah, I agree.
- Can any ladies weigh in on that? Is astronomy that sexy? I'm gonna start leaning into that when I talk to people

The musical instrument thing is transitory and depends entirely on the instrument.
Pre-relationship; in a popular band playing a more traditional instrument like guitar with a bunch of also attractive people (or at least part of a cool local scene) = hot
In a relationship and/or solo bedroom producing any kind of electronic music and/or buying lots of synthesizers, drum machines or grooveboxes = not hot
Also note how low "clubbing" is on the least attractive list, so no, DJs and electronic musicians who perform live don't get a pass
- If you have a banjo, it's straight up unattractive.
  Source : I have a banjo.
  
  seriously? I've known several women that fucking love banjo. I would say I've heard more women talk about how cool banjo playing is compared to actual guitars (then again I think it's just a known thing with guitars that doesn't need to be brought up). It might also depend on where you live I suppose. Roll into an Appalachian town stringing a banjo and you'll be the pied piper of the mountain women.
  
  Do you play it? I play the banjo and would never say it's unattractive.

what if I read a ton of books every day but it’s all manga and light novels. trashy ones
- I read books about social studies and think I may fall into the same camp. What books do woman deem sexy?
- Then you aren't reading books you are reading comics
  
  Are light novels comics?

TIL I'm a chick magnet

No one should undertake hobbies because they are attractive to someone else. Unless you want to join groups where you can meet people you’re attracted to, then the activity is just an excuse to mingle. But you are more likely to find a hobby rewarding if you are genuinely interested in it, no matter what others think.

"Reading"
Strangely enough, reading RPG and skirmish game rulebooks doesn't seem to fit that bill.
Also, 3D printers, get your painting skills ready and paint the stuff you print. Easy peasy lemon squeezy
- There are a lot of girls who enjoy role playing games, both digital and traditional.
  The key to not blowing it with them, is don't be a stereotype.
  
  "Don't be the reason why there are so few women in this field" is good advice for a great many hobbies and jobs
- correct. like how reading comic strips and cereal boxes isnt either.

Does growing cannabis count as gardening and what about painting figures?
- If you can grow spicy tomatoes you can grow regular ones.

I love how some of those hobbies are literally just chores but fun
- All my hobbies are chores I choose to do. 😔
- What kind of chores are you doing? Going out to the barn and shoeing the horses?
  
  You never cooked before? Or mowed the law?

Where is RuneScape

I beg to argue that being able to 3d model the figures and printing your own original creations is far more attractive than downloading a file aomeone else made and printing that.

I used to work at a leather shop. I can say alot of women find that pretty attractive. Too bad I'm asexual.
- A leather shop as in fetish gear, or a leather shop as in a place for leatherworking hobbyists?
  
  We made belts and bracelets. And we sold all kinds of wallets and bags that we didn't make.

Read this too fast and thought it said most attractive male Hobbits and I was really intrigued
Sad beans
- That Reading Baggins, he's so hot right now 🔥

My bf is really hot when he prints stuff for me tho.
- Unironically, women are hot for the handyman. Fixing a friend's sink has gotten me laid more than once.
  
  You mean those porn videos were real? Unbelievable!
  
  You mean that passing for a dependable and helpful person helps?
  Who would've thunk?
  (I don't know how to rephrase that first sentence but I'm not trying to insinuate that you're not either of these things :p )
  
  You don't have to clean out everybody's pipes, leave some for the rest of us

Release the full list.
I want to see the red flag hobbies

I think this is cool. Many of these are accessible and cheap. Most of these are "do you get out of the house and spend time on something" which is obvious. Looks like most hobbies are attractive, like even anime and cosplay have 1 out of 4 women who is into that and finds it attractive.
I also love the huge correlation between the top 15 and what men think is the top 15, the main difference is that men didn't think hobbies were attractive enough.
I'd love to see the reversed list for what men think are attractive hobbies for a woman!
- I'd also like to see that list. I'd also like to see how hobby preference lines up with what hobbies the person with that preference has themselves.
- I think this is mutual in that I prefer women just have a hobby more than anything. It's a weird feeling when someone genuinely tells you they do "Nothing really" and you find out they're genuinely serious.

What about my practicing the Art of the Blade™?

I'm a 4 and 7 with a touch of 1, so I guess I'm a hot commodity.
....my dating history tells me otherwise.

If anyone wants to learn to blacksmith Black bear forge has a good intro series https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHta7NIJ9npbTNOR4JQW_IlDnCTxM2wV4
And lemmy has a blacksmithing community that could use more posts
!blacksmithing@lemmy.world
- Yeah I'll just have the setup in my kitchen.
  
  There's actually a video at the end of that playlist that addresses that issue, but yeah there isn't really an easy solution

What if you find yourself reading a culinary arts textbook in a foreign language?

Anyone have the least attractive? I want to check something.
- modding porn subreddits? I mean, under that i think only illegal stuff are, like "robbing banks" and stuff
  
  Never heard of Bonny & Clide, huh? Or Robin Hood? I guess robbing banks can be damn attractive.
  
  Idk Arthur Morgan seems pretty popular. Might want to bump bank robbers up a few spots
- https://datepsychology.com/the-most-and-least-attractive-male-hobbies/
  Let me know how bad you feel about yourself afterwards

I used to be a heartthrob like you, but then I took an arrow to the knee.
And now I’m 89.5% sexier!
- underrated comment xD

I've read manual for my new 3D printer but it was in a foreign language so I had to cook up a way to understand it, luckily I travel a lot so learning languages is not that difficult for me. I hope that this writing paints good enough of a picture on how it went. I forged up some way to accelerate my learning process so that I could get trough it swift like an arrow. There certainly were some steep inclines which I had to overcome but in the end it all went swimmingly. The only issue was that I could not muster any courage to approach my crush. I just stood there like a stump and stared at her eyes that glistened like stars. In the end it turned out she was a hoe so I dodged a bullet.
- swooning rn (im a guy)

Ahh yes... my favorite hobby... foreign languages.

Cooking is my love language. I'm also a sole provider.
- Isn't that called a "cobbler"? Or do you only do soles and not the entire shoe?
- Oh. Do you catch them yourself or do you just have connections in the industry?

They probably just didn't ask about RTLSDR, otherwise it would be quite prominent, I'm sure.
- RTLSDR feeding into Home Assistant. That's the money shot.
  
  "Yeah girl, my bathroom lights come on automatically when you walk in. I've even set them to 30% brightness.... After bedtime."
  If only my wife truly appreciated me lol
- Forklift certs ain't nothing compared to amateur radio. When you get that personalized license plate too... They're going to be climbing over their boyfriends just to hear you ask for an RST from the guy you bounced to with 10m.

Lmfao
Let's see: I love reading, I am learning French, I paint, I write, I enjoy a bit o astronomy, I am an archer, and I have learned how to blacksmith.
Yeah this is just a list of activities with no correlation to attractiveness whatsoever
Edit: let me be clear, I've learned to blacksmith the cheating way with propane or natural gas AND the good old fashioned hand cranked coal fired away meant to coat your lungs with soot like a real man. And make sure you bring the borax cause we gonna do some welds
- Assuming your my brother, the answer is you're ugly
  
  I mean, I'm apparently good enough to at least have one kid, so I got that going for me. Wasn't an accident or anything either.
  But I at least have a well paying job so I got that going for me, which is nice.
  Plus, if generalize all women to be like my ex, I don't want to date again. So being ugly ain't all bad
  
  you're
  I don't know how you managed to use it twice in the same way in the same sentence, and only get one of them right.

Archery. Archery? Whose hobby is that?

That's because I hog all the printing time.
Also, psa 4 men, if you just do cooking you'll be swimming.

I assume that by painting they don't mean miniature painting. Unless it's Henry Cavill that does it?
- Never forget step 1.
  
  Always use two thin coats

DMing for D&D isn’t here? Damn it.
- Source from @douchebagmcswag@lemmy.dbzer0
  Edit: I think this survey is problematic for a number of reasons, so I hope no one takes it too seriously. I'm one of the women who'd rather her boyfriend smoked pot instead of getting drunk, and would rather play games (tabletop or video) than go to the movies.
- Right below collecting insects.

Also fails to mention mastery of nunchucks?

So a foreign manga reader that likes to work their wood whilst drawing furry pics from said manga, and travels to cons to display subsequent art - is the most irresistible person to women?
\ (Should probably think about doing some public garden porn photography tbh)
That does make sense.

All the nerd hobbies are at the bottom of the list scoring negatives. Linux, video games, Warhammer, D&D and other, etc. this is why despite playing a music instrument, I couldn't get laid.
- Eh, I find a lot of people the attraction is towards the person themselves and that makes them more interested in their hobbies anyway. Like if someone is into you, they'll probably try to take an interest in Warhammer or whatever because you're into it.
  
  Of course, this is a reply to a shitpost :D
  "Attractive" hobbies are what can put you in a spotlight and get someone you have never met to pick and interest in you.
  BTW, playing guitar definitely helped me get laid, and once that was done, it was a piece of cake to convert them to Linux !

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