It's such an alien thought process that I don't even know where I would begin with discussing politics with such a person.
This is the voter Kamala was supposed to sway with “better messaging”.
No, this is the voter she pissed off Dem voters for...
It didn't work out well if you've already forgotten.
If someone says trump is Hitler but they voted for him anyways...
Then he was already going to vote for trump, and chasing his vote just led to losing traditional Dem voters with literally no gain.
Moving to the right is political suicide, yet we keep doing it because that's how you max donations. And that's all the people running the party care about.
You mean by hanging out with Liz Cheney and talking about a 'lethal military'?
Well he speaks English, same as you. I guess you could always meet a conservative and then ask them questions sometime. Might be a mind blowing experience to talk to someone who disagrees with you, and actually listen.
I have listened, and there is nothing worth listening to. I have to listen, because there are all around me at work. It is continuous fear and ignorance. Not a single worthwhile thing. I'm done listening, especially since they won't return the favour. I'm not going to meet hate in the middle.
Can you promise me there will be something other than lies or misinformation coming out of their mouths when I do so this time? Because based on my first hand experience over at least the past 8 years, those are the only two things I'm going to get.
"the greatest argument against democracy is a conversation with the average voter"
This is some quote from an ancient Greek right? Socrates, Pericles et cetera?
Churchill, so the story goes. But probably not: https://winstonchurchill.org/publications/finest-hour/finest-hour-141/red-herrings-famous-quotes-churchill-never-said/
As others put, no, but it does remind me that Aristotle felt society should only be run by the most intelligent among us, hence the term Aristocracy.
Of course, in practice people make up bullshit rules to determine who is most intelligent and that messes up the whole concept (e.g. Jim Crow tests and such). But it's a nice fantasy if ever we could pull it off.
Also a great argument for education reform
Marx grasped this essence of capitalist democracy splendidly when, in analyzing the experience of the Commune, he said that the oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class shall represent and repress them in parliament!
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/ch05.htm
That's already more than any communist regime allowed, so lesser of two evils and all of that...
“I voted for the guy that I think is like Hitler to end conflicts and keep us out of wars.”
Did he not read the part where Hitler genocided Jews, Europeans, and the disabled?
Did he not read the part in history where Hitler caused a war so large that it wiped out entire European families, literally tens of millions of Europeans?
The white working class in this country is going to get everything they voted for. I hope Trump floods their neighborhoods with immigrants, LEGALLY.
Read!?
Ha!
Ya know.... if I thought someone was literally Hitler, the last thing I'm gonna fucking do is help them literally have control of... everything.
But what if the country needed a change in leadership after recently being fucked up by this hitler guy, eh?
Tell me you are a racist piece of shit without telling me you are a racist piece of shit.
I really believe that most Americans are dumb enough to be racist and just smart enough to know they shouldn't say it. I can't help but read all this apologism for Trump as thinly veiled, "I know he's a weird guy, but thank God someone is finally going to do something about all the people that look different than me".
Also, misogynist. "I sont agree with his dictatorial views, but at least he's got a dick!"
That's sadly almost every '24 Trump Voter I've ever spoken to.
Saying "I voted for Trump" is saying "I'm a racist piece of shit". We can retire the "without saying" joke in this context.
Bingo. This guy is likely happy about the reports that twice as many black women than white women die in child birth and after RvW those numbers doubled. He's probably happy when he hears about family seperation, people caught in immigration prisons for dozens of years, and on and on.
You mean that, try as you might, you just can’t accept any new information into your worldview?
What information did you add to your worldview that led you to embrace hatred as a political ethos?
Trump offers no information that wasn't already around in Germany in 1934
It's like people really believe America entered WW2 to fight fascism becaus Americans are innately good....
Large amounts of the country said the same shit this guy is. They wanted to either stay out of it or outright join the nazis.
Especially the wealthy. Prescott Bush was believed to be part of the Business Plot that wanted to overthrow the US government in favor of fascism and doing the Axis powers.
They didn't succeed (mostly because of Pearl Harbor) but his son became head of the CIA, VP, and then president. One of his sons also became president, and almost another one.
If we don't remember what history was really like, we're doomed to keep being surprised when the same shit keeps happening.
Ya, CCCP started it all with Hitler, the USA was forced in to the war.
Don't forget.
Edit, to clarify: the USA was forced into the war, later on, they didn't enter voluntarily. The nazis and the soviets kicked off ww2 in 1939. Sorry for the confusion.
Dictators: famous for ending wars. We'll never learn how many wars could have been prevented if only all countries had authoritarian leaders, too bad it's never happened before.
As a German, this the insane things our parents, grandparents and institutions warned us about. People begrudgingly accepted their lead in the hopes that "although it's an authoritarian, maybe he will take care of our goals". What followed was the cruelty of 1939 to 1945 and no one deserves to live through that, not even the idiots that got us in this mess.
I'm beginning to see why he is a former construction worker.
This guy was fired for being obviously mentally unstable.
Oh, far from it. This is very much the norm in any construction sector. Everyone is dumb as absolute fuck.
Historical fact: In the distant past, guys like this belonged to a Union, and the union told them how to vote.
The union was led by ruthless people whose power was entirely dependent on the support of the union.
The union leaders kept their people happy by negotiating better prices for their labor, and the happy people did what the leaders said. Their tribe was the union, and the tribe stuck together.
At some point the owner class realized it was easy to redefine what happiness meant for idiots: Lying. A lot. Tricking absolute idiots is easy, so they started whittling away at unions with promises of prosperity a union leader could never fulfil, until we get to today where unions and union membership is lower than it's ever been.
And idiots like that still vote for who their handler tells them to, only their handler now has zero investment in keeping them happy. Lying to them is sufficient as long as the rest of the tribe reinforces the lies. The tribe is now everyone too stupid to not vote for Hitler, and the tribe sticks together.
Because Hitler is famous for avoiding global armed conflict.
This is what happens when you systematically dismantle the public education system.
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
France is bacon?
I wonder who Trump voted for.
Oh that's right, he's a convicted felon. That would be voter fraud.
Only if you're black.
It’s legal in Florida, where Trump voted.
Acting like that would be his first fraud. Or the only fraud in this election. Trump is moving pawns behind every state election, and he has 5 Ace's up his phony sleeve. Its all crooked when Trump is involved
Same guy? I don’t know where this particular ideologue lives, but it would hardly be the first (second, third, fourth…) time newspapers “accidentally” presented career conservatives as a “randomly selected” voter.
Says a person who thinks they’ll never see the front line, the soup line, or the inside of a concentration camp.
Voter turnout among Democrats this year was 10 million lower than in 2020, while Republican turnout barely changed. Trump won the popular vote by about 3.5 million. TBF it's unknown how many Democrats didn't vote because they were purged off voter rolls, and how many simply refused to participate because Harris didn't satisfy their moral purity standards. But based on the consistent failure by Republicans to win their election restricting lawsuits, my strong guess is that it's those 10 million fuckheads who did this to us. Zero tolerance doesn't work, folks, You don't walk barefoot across broken glass because you didn't like the choices of shoes.
Democrats fall apart, Republicans fall in line.
Leopards ate my face
As far as, fascism is concerned, peace is certain ruin The preservation of international peace renders it possible for the enslaved masses in the fascist countries to gather their forces together and to prepare for the overthrow of the hated fascist dictatorship, and to enable the international proletariat to win time for the establishment of unity tit its ranks, to rally together the supporters of peace, and to establish an insurmountable barrier against the outbreak of war.
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/dimitrov/works/1937/war.htm
no war with Peoples Republic of China, no war with Russia, no war with Iran, no war with Venezuela, no war with Cuba, no war with the Democratic Republic of Korea
No war but class war
Imagine having a mind this... Acrobatic
Can't we convince MAGA that trump has been replaced by the deep state or something that makes them fight for a good cause for once?
Yeah I suppose World War 2 wouldn't have happened if everyone just sat back and let Germany conquer all of Europe instead. They would have stopped at that right? 🤷
Actually no. Fascism requires perpetual conflict. There will always be something to fight about, and people to kill, internal or external.
Yeah, cuz the President can just come down there and wave some magic pixie dust around like a goddamn job fairy and fix things up 🙄
??? They do it from the oval office desk. The more / less US manufacturing lever is in between the egg price and gas price lever.
Average swing state voter
right on the edge of the paper belt
Everyone keeps looking for answers to why trump won. I keep coming back to media directed stupidity
Hey Matt, do you fucking hear yourself when you speak or is it like an 'adult characters on Peanuts' situation?
Someone needs to smack this man upside the head and explain to him how dumb this sounds.
These must be the same kind of people that think 'Murica is the only country on* this flat earth*.
please be taken out context please
He stole the election.
In this dude's defense, Trump was the first president to not send troops into a new conflict in my lifetime.
Does everyone forget what was happening before COVID shut everything down? We were on a fast track to war with Iran, Trump had just assassinated one of their top generals.
And I guess the take away is not going to address how someone called him Hitler, understood what that intaled and still thought it was the better choice.
That might be more of a slight on the Democrats then anything.
