No sex. No dating. No marriage. No children. Interest grows in 4B movement to swear off men

Typical media BS.

Found a story about a very small movement somewhere in the world than are blowing it out of proportion and saying this is actually a thing.

This is why Dems lost the election but the media thought they would win.

Fucking click bait sex sells story.

“Young men expect sex, but they also want us to not be able to have access to abortion,” Thomas told The Post. “They can’t have both. Young women don’t want to be intimate with men who don’t fight for women’s rights; it’s showing they don’t respect us.”

Sounds reasonable and fair to me.

Idgaf. Why has this story been at the top of my feed for like 4 days now?

Good for them for asserting their autonomy but basically the end affect is the opening plot of Idiocracy

The first time you say no to someone you really want to be with, that is when the 4B life starts. Till then, it's just business as usual (I really hope you don't sleep with/date people you don't like!).

The life continues when you see them with someone else, and realise some things can't be undone. People move on, they're not static NPCs you can just reload and date later.

It goes ever on, life stops for no-one and it runs it's course far too soon. To those who choose that path, make sure you know where it leads.

Edit: nice catch apostrofail! I'll keep no-one though, I feel they need that special dash bond ;)

It's always amazing how many men out themselves in these threads. Immediately angry and defensive. There's no greater way to know that you're exactly the kind of man these women are worried about than having that reaction.

fuck them…

I think those ladies don't give a fuck.

Understandable.

But sweaering of ALL men is neither healthy nor realistic and the 4B movement is not really helping the issue. Plua the movement is extremely transphobic and essentialist. Its just TERFs doing a thing again...

A more practical solution: Dont date MAGA and leave them if need be. Take the children from them as well. They deserve scorn for voting in a dictator, just because they cant get laid. And they deserve to be reminded on how parhetic they are for all of it every single das until they change.

But the large swatch of incel's that voted for Trump aren't going to be affect by this.

Guys always ask me how to meet women. I say, " It's easy, be polite and learn how to communicate." None of them succeed.

I call bullshit. Any politicaly aware liberal/progressive woman can sniff out a conservative dude 5 miles away. They ain't fucking these kinda dudes unless they actually wanna be fucking them. I just don't see it

4B is doable! My wife and I haven't had sex in 3 years and we sort of like each other.

Just imagine not actually liking anyone at all, easy!

For everything else, there's pornhub.

Women will continue to demand better for themselves and some men will continue to get more radicalized in retaliation until we start raising boys to be empathetic and not sexualizing them so they feel entitled to people’s bodies.

It's a person's decision whether to have sex, get married or date someone. They don't need to justify that to anyone. No one criticizes men for choosing celibacy or choosing to remain single. But women don't have that priviledge, so they have to justify themselves and still they will recieve criticism and hate from men just for choosing to exercise their personal freedom and live their life according to their values.

Wait for more polarisation.

Ill believe it when I see it, half these women have the most conservative SO you've ever met and tells them they're good people at the end of hard days. Also these particular women are transphobes, so fuck them.

This is not gonna work because all conservative men are closeted homosexuals.

I say good for them. Go for it. Dating is too stressful for me anyway.

But I'm also a 30+ progressive with a son and ex so I also recognize that there are bigger fish to fry than getting laid.

Man here, I fully agree with this.

I have been hoping for something to bring down the birthrate of the states that restrict abortion since the restrictions started.

I had been hoping for mass migration of 50% or so of all women from the relevant states, but I see how that can be difficult.

I truly hope that they are successful in gaining their rights back.

They haven’t figured out that Conservatives see this as a huge win? No liberal babies…

Most of the men that voted for Trump aren't having sex anyway.

Yeah because men were having so much sex and dating tons before.

And if you speak up on Politics Lemmy about feminism, or fight back against sexist men as a woman, mod Jordan Lund will build a case to ban you. He is a fascist.

Self-selective removal of oneself and those of probable left-leaning male partners from the gene pool* is certainly one strategy left-leaning women could try in the fight for a political environment where their rights are protected and progress further. Probably a terrible strategy, but certainly one that could be chosen.

I respect any individual's bodily autonomy and am not trying to make a statement in favor of men having a right to access or anything like that. It's just an illogical movement if the goal is a society that has more individuals likely to support women's rights - the gamble that thirsty men of the left will somehow save the day or that it would affect men on the right is kind of silly unless we're assuming that there is a statistically meaningful amount of (secretly) left leaning women out there choosing right wing men as partners. (I wonder if anyone has tried to focus a campaign on seeing if the latter group exists in a sizable amount and can be convinced to be vote left - somebody should look into that and see how it works out. /s)

It's almost like 4B is something that the right wing would push to further their current advantage in household size in the US...

*I am not seriously implying politics are a matter of genetics (though parents commonly pass down their politics to children in their household via social means), but plenty of people on the right do believe in their own "good genes" versus the "bad genes" of the left and I'm leaning on their perspective for sarcastic effect here.

OR…you could just have sex and start families with men who support women’s rights?

I have a feeling this extremist “solution” is just disguised misandry from a bunch of extremist feminists.

Ah well, thanks for selecting yourselves out of the gene pool, I guess?

You don't have to give up marriage, sex, and dating in order to swear off men.

It worked in the Arab Spring

the 4B movement is just a bunch of TERFs

#inform #resist #improve

Completely reasonable response to Project 2025.

No sarcasm, I'm quite serious. This is the play.

4B 4ever!

So democrats will swear off men reducing their population in the future while the cons just carry on like normal? This makes no sense.

Magats on the one way road to demographic suicide unless they learn to like gay sex and hope hard for some crazy evolution...

anti-natalism rules

yeah please actually fucking do this. men have had it too easy. it's time to stop appeasing them(us?). Yes patriarchy harms men quite a bit and they(we?) were already among its victims, but molly coddling men has clearly not worked.

this body i'm in, people see it and presume it's white, cis, and male, so i say this while fully understanding that women following 4B would treat me even less human than they already do. But frankly, every single aspect of me that has ever been 'masculine' feels less human already so i can't blame them. it would feel right. it would be eminently fair. i'm sick of being associated with the depravity of the misogynistic paradigm. i'd rather be completely ostracized and socially isolated than know that this shit is still going on. end it. fucking end it. please.

Ironic, given that the men they're protesting against desperately need to get fucked.

Sigh. This is not and is never the answer.

I'm not sure why this generation is so gung-ho to sell itself out.

What's the point?

I understand why they would choose not to date men that advocate against abortions and stuff - that's basic dignity and self-protection.

But why not date any other men? To hurt demographics to the best of their ability state-wise? Then this is primarily a problem set 15-20 years into the future, and may not really see the government's reaction for a while.

So… MGTOW for women?

Okay, bye

B: wanna get a drink some time ?

G: no, I’m 4b . No dating, No men no sex no marriage

B: oh ok, sorry to have bothered you

G : Did you hear me ???

B: yes

G: I SAID NO DATING NO MEN NINSEX NI MARRIAGE.

B: yes, sorry to have bothered you have a good day

G: YOU CANNOT JUST WALK AWAY FROM ME. I SAID NO SEX NI MEN No DATING NO MARRIAGE .

G: GET back HERE YOU FUCKING PATRIACH BASTARD

So Edgy !

Sounds like a great way to ensure that conservatives are the only ones having kids. This is just liberal women organizing their own extinction.

This is a GREAT idea!